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It is interesting you said that 5 days ago we double my son TD glutathione and

he started stimming and a lot of autistic symptoms was back. I returned to

previous dose and stimming is out the door.

Best,

H

--- Laurie <gencaf@...> wrote:

> I am trying to figure this out. My son's yeast is WAY under control,

> but we are seeing TONS more visual stims. He had almost completely

> stopped the running back and forth looking to the side thing, but now

> it has returned and brought with it intense hand gestures (isn't this

> called posturing) where he will stare at his hands and turn them all

> around and bring them closer to his face, etc. He is doing this A LOT

> now.

>

> His newest addition has been the TD-glut and I wondered if anyone else

> had this experience?

>

> Thanks,

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

>

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> I am trying to figure this out. My son's yeast is WAY under control,

> but we are seeing TONS more visual stims. He had almost completely

> stopped the running back and forth looking to the side thing, but now

> it has returned and brought with it intense hand gestures (isn't this

> called posturing) where he will stare at his hands and turn them all

> around and bring them closer to his face, etc. He is doing this A LOT

> now.

>

> His newest addition has been the TD-glut and I wondered if anyone else

> had this experience?

For my son, those stims meant a lot of things, including yeast

overgrowth. Glutathione does tend to increase yeast. Have you tried

increasing your yeast protocol?

Dana

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> It is interesting you said that 5 days ago we double my son TD

glutathione and

> he started stimming and a lot of autistic symptoms was back. I

returned to

> previous dose and stimming is out the door.

> Best,

> H

>

Thanks Haleh,

Maybe I'll try giving it every other day or giving less, although I

think that would be difficult the way the cream is. He is only

getting 1 cc of it a day. I am not seeing any climbing or other

yeast signs, so I doubt it is yeast really. I won't give it today

and see what happens.

Thanks,

Laurie

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According to Keyon's DAN, Glutathione leaves the body quickly, in about 4 hrs

or so. Because of that she had us first half g 2x and then 3x per day. Our

problem began when we went up to one gram doses. Try dividing your dose to two

half and see if that helps. We are fine as long as the doses are 1/2 gram

though I do have to get the yeast back under control again and so far, things

are improving quickly.

Best,

Haleh

--- Laurie <gencaf@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > It is interesting you said that 5 days ago we double my son TD

> glutathione and

> > he started stimming and a lot of autistic symptoms was back. I

> returned to

> > previous dose and stimming is out the door.

> > Best,

> > H

> >

> Thanks Haleh,

>

> Maybe I'll try giving it every other day or giving less, although I

> think that would be difficult the way the cream is. He is only

> getting 1 cc of it a day. I am not seeing any climbing or other

> yeast signs, so I doubt it is yeast really. I won't give it today

> and see what happens.

>

> Thanks,

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

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I also had similar experiences with Glutathione, unfortunately, with a gross

increase in visual stimming. Toileting schedules regressed also with Glut from

40 mins intervals to 5 minute intervals. It took us over 4 months to get back to

40 minutes after the removal of Glutathione. Some kids really don't need this

supplement (their cysteine plasma levels need to be low in order to benefit from

Glutathione supplementation) or only need it for a while, then it can do really

more harm than good. This was our case, and our doctor had not tested my son's

cysteine plasma levels prior to starting the supplementation. We are still

battling the increased visual stims behaviorally, although they did get better

with 2 months of anti-viral treatment. We had to stop these for now to help my

son's BMs get better (OLE issues) but are planning to do perhaps a lower dose of

OLE with Virastop because the results are phenomenal.

Regarding the Glutathione, I would stop using it for a while, or cut it in

half, as Haleh suggested, and see if the behaviors are any different.

HTH!

haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote:

It is interesting you said that 5 days ago we double my son TD glutathione and

he started stimming and a lot of autistic symptoms was back. I returned to

previous dose and stimming is out the door.

Best,

H

--- Laurie <gencaf@...> wrote:

> I am trying to figure this out. My son's yeast is WAY under control,

> but we are seeing TONS more visual stims. He had almost completely

> stopped the running back and forth looking to the side thing, but now

> it has returned and brought with it intense hand gestures (isn't this

> called posturing) where he will stare at his hands and turn them all

> around and bring them closer to his face, etc. He is doing this A LOT

> now.

>

> His newest addition has been the TD-glut and I wondered if anyone else

> had this experience?

>

> Thanks,

> Laurie

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear ,

Our increase of TD-Glut was test based. Cysteine is within range but

glutenthione is under the reference range and still there is only so much

glutathione that my child can tolerate. with 300 mg, he has gains and with

600mg he becomes more autistic. When we tried the oral, he started having

liquid BMs for three weeks. Many kids deficient in glut do well on it but it

is definitely one that need to be given low and slow and find the optimum

level and stop there and that is when the child is lucky because there are a

lot of glutathione deficient kids that don't tolerate any form of it (oral or

transdermal but I have no experience with IV). A normal plasma cysteine

doesn't necessarily mean normal glut levels though. If you find out that your

child does not tolerate sulfure based supplements, I do recommend to read up

on some of the literature of dr. Amy Yasko on protein metabolism, Ammonia

issues etc in order to deal with more preliminary disconnects within the child

system first. I wish I could explain it better but you can read on her

treatment modality at

http://autismanswer.com

Best,

Haleh

--- aedape4 <aedape4@...> wrote:

> I also had similar experiences with Glutathione, unfortunately, with a gross

> increase in visual stimming. Toileting schedules regressed also with Glut

> from 40 mins intervals to 5 minute intervals. It took us over 4 months to

> get back to 40 minutes after the removal of Glutathione. Some kids really

> don't need this supplement (their cysteine plasma levels need to be low in

> order to benefit from Glutathione supplementation) or only need it for a

> while, then it can do really more harm than good. This was our case, and our

> doctor had not tested my son's cysteine plasma levels prior to starting the

> supplementation. We are still battling the increased visual stims

> behaviorally, although they did get better with 2 months of anti-viral

> treatment. We had to stop these for now to help my son's BMs get better (OLE

> issues) but are planning to do perhaps a lower dose of OLE with Virastop

> because the results are phenomenal.

> Regarding the Glutathione, I would stop using it for a while, or cut it in

> half, as Haleh suggested, and see if the behaviors are any different.

>

> HTH!

>

>

> haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote:

> It is interesting you said that 5 days ago we double my son TD glutathione

> and

> he started stimming and a lot of autistic symptoms was back. I returned to

> previous dose and stimming is out the door.

> Best,

> H

>

>

> --- Laurie <gencaf@...> wrote:

>

> > I am trying to figure this out. My son's yeast is WAY under control,

> > but we are seeing TONS more visual stims. He had almost completely

> > stopped the running back and forth looking to the side thing, but now

> > it has returned and brought with it intense hand gestures (isn't this

> > called posturing) where he will stare at his hands and turn them all

> > around and bring them closer to his face, etc. He is doing this A LOT

> > now.

> >

> > His newest addition has been the TD-glut and I wondered if anyone else

> > had this experience?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Laurie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Haleh,

Thanks for your explanation. I still haven't had our son tested for cysteine

levels, I was most comfortable not doing any glut supplementation until I know

about my child's metabolism more. Waiting to see a new doctor, and hoping to do

all this with the help of a professional. Sometimes I think I am really

venturing into waters I should not be going into but we have done well, so far

so good. Whatever I have decided to change about my son's supplements were to

his benefit. I will totally read up on this issue as it sounds pretty

fundamental.... and very complex.

I will post if I find out more/have experiences to share...

Thanks again,

haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote:

Dear ,

Our increase of TD-Glut was test based. Cysteine is within range but

glutenthione is under the reference range and still there is only so much

glutathione that my child can tolerate. with 300 mg, he has gains and with

600mg he becomes more autistic. When we tried the oral, he started having

liquid BMs for three weeks. Many kids deficient in glut do well on it but it

is definitely one that need to be given low and slow and find the optimum

level and stop there and that is when the child is lucky because there are a

lot of glutathione deficient kids that don't tolerate any form of it (oral or

transdermal but I have no experience with IV). A normal plasma cysteine

doesn't necessarily mean normal glut levels though. If you find out that your

child does not tolerate sulfure based supplements, I do recommend to read up

on some of the literature of dr. Amy Yasko on protein metabolism, Ammonia

issues etc in order to deal with more preliminary disconnects within the child

system first. I wish I could explain it better but you can read on her

treatment modality at

http://autismanswer.com

Best,

Haleh

--- aedape4 <aedape4@...> wrote:

> I also had similar experiences with Glutathione, unfortunately, with a gross

> increase in visual stimming. Toileting schedules regressed also with Glut

> from 40 mins intervals to 5 minute intervals. It took us over 4 months to

> get back to 40 minutes after the removal of Glutathione. Some kids really

> don't need this supplement (their cysteine plasma levels need to be low in

> order to benefit from Glutathione supplementation) or only need it for a

> while, then it can do really more harm than good. This was our case, and our

> doctor had not tested my son's cysteine plasma levels prior to starting the

> supplementation. We are still battling the increased visual stims

> behaviorally, although they did get better with 2 months of anti-viral

> treatment. We had to stop these for now to help my son's BMs get better (OLE

> issues) but are planning to do perhaps a lower dose of OLE with Virastop

> because the results are phenomenal.

> Regarding the Glutathione, I would stop using it for a while, or cut it in

> half, as Haleh suggested, and see if the behaviors are any different.

>

> HTH!

>

>

> haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote:

> It is interesting you said that 5 days ago we double my son TD glutathione

> and

> he started stimming and a lot of autistic symptoms was back. I returned to

> previous dose and stimming is out the door.

> Best,

> H

>

>

> --- Laurie <gencaf@...> wrote:

>

> > I am trying to figure this out. My son's yeast is WAY under control,

> > but we are seeing TONS more visual stims. He had almost completely

> > stopped the running back and forth looking to the side thing, but now

> > it has returned and brought with it intense hand gestures (isn't this

> > called posturing) where he will stare at his hands and turn them all

> > around and bring them closer to his face, etc. He is doing this A LOT

> > now.

> >

> > His newest addition has been the TD-glut and I wondered if anyone else

> > had this experience?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Laurie

>

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