Re: Why would Clonodine stop working?

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In a message dated 16/04/2007 01:16:00 GMT Standard Time,

borntoshopjc@... writes:

Any thoughts?

You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

during the day, anymore.

>>Do you do liver support? That can have dramatic effect on night waking. I

like BioRay Liver Life

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

I have severe sleep issues, as do my two DDs. I was on three Rx

sleep meds at the same time to get some sleep. Because of side

effects, I had to go off them. I don't know if you do dietary

intervention, but I did the Failsafe diet elimination diet and I'm

sleeping 5 1/2 - 6 hours straight. This is huge for me! My girls

are also sleeping through the night. It might be worth trying.

>

> Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

> Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

> started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then

stopped.

> We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

> the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are

at

> .2 mg and it's not working at all.

>

> It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

> faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's

waking

> up at 3 am.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

> night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his

best

> during the day, anymore.

>

> Thanks all!

>

[Guest guest]

I have severe sleep issues, as do my two DDs. I was on three Rx

sleep meds at the same time to get some sleep. Because of side

effects, I had to go off them. I don't know if you do dietary

intervention, but I did the Failsafe diet elimination diet and I'm

sleeping 5 1/2 - 6 hours straight. This is huge for me! My girls

are also sleeping through the night. It might be worth trying.

>

> Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

> Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

> started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then

stopped.

> We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

> the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are

at

> .2 mg and it's not working at all.

>

> It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

> faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's

waking

> up at 3 am.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

> night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his

best

> during the day, anymore.

>

> Thanks all!

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

> Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

> started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then stopped.

Many times, sleep issues are caused by foods, especially milk, corn,

and phenols

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Sometimes enzymes help, sometimes not.

Yeast overgrowth can also cause sleep issues.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Certain nutritional deficiencies, viruses, and a few other things can

also cause this problem.

Dana

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The time at which the sleep stops is particularly relevant in Chinese

medecine. For example, they believe that wakings between 3 and 5am indicate

a liver problem. Early wakings after that indicate yeast problems. Body

pains that go away after 8 could be related to digestion as the stomach is

working from 7 to 8 (I think)... An acupunturist or chiropractor may be able

to tell you more...

-- Re: Why would Clonodine stop working?

In a message dated 16/04/2007 01:16:00 GMT Standard Time,

borntoshopjc@... writes:

Any thoughts?

You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

during the day, anymore.

>>Do you do liver support? That can have dramatic effect on night waking. I

like BioRay Liver Life

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

In Chinese medecine they would say that his liver is overworked - or in

trouble of some kind.

They believe that 3-5 am is time for the liver to rejuvenate itself.

Otherwise all I know is that melatonin is produced in the gut, mainly... And

that it is responsible for keeping someone asleep through the night. That

zinc has been proven to restore/heal the gut in about 8 weeks when taken

therapeutically and that it does then allow the body to manufacture its own

melatonin (and serotonin since that too is mostly made in the gut).

Have you tried supporting the liver through something like milk thistle?

Wish I could help more...

....

-- Why would Clonodine stop working?

Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then stopped.

We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are at

..2 mg and it's not working at all.

It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's waking

up at 3 am.

Any thoughts?

You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

during the day, anymore.

Thanks all!

[Guest guest]

Interesting...what would cause his liver to be taxed?

He is on Bethanecol, but I can't remember if that taxes the liver or

not. He takes zinc separately (mini minerals) b/c his levels were low.

So, what does everyone use for liver support?

Thanks!

>

> In Chinese medecine they would say that his liver is overworked - or in

> trouble of some kind.

> They believe that 3-5 am is time for the liver to rejuvenate itself.

>

> Otherwise all I know is that melatonin is produced in the gut,

mainly... And

> that it is responsible for keeping someone asleep through the night.

That

> zinc has been proven to restore/heal the gut in about 8 weeks when taken

> therapeutically and that it does then allow the body to manufacture

its own

> melatonin (and serotonin since that too is mostly made in the gut).

>

> Have you tried supporting the liver through something like milk

thistle?

>

> Wish I could help more...

>

> ...

>

> -- Why would Clonodine stop working?

>

> Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

> Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

> started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then stopped.

> We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

> the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are at

> .2 mg and it's not working at all.

>

> It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

> faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's waking

> up at 3 am.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

> night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

> during the day, anymore.

>

> Thanks all!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Caffeine, fried foods, dairy, meds/herbs/vitamins, artificials, alcohol

(drinks or in preparations), phenols in foods, saturated fats can all burden

the liver. Extra hormones from things around us (like plastics leaching

xenoestrogens) also call on the liver for detox.

More info on liverdoctor.com

Milk thistle is the more widely used remedy.

Enzymes will break down the food so that it doesn't burden the liver quite

as much.

Sleep problems, eczema, hyperactivity, are but a few of the symptoms of a

potentially burdened liver.

....

-- Why would Clonodine stop working?

>

> Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

> Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

> started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then stopped.

> We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

> the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are at

> .2 mg and it's not working at all.

>

> It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

> faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's waking

> up at 3 am.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

> night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

> during the day, anymore.

>

> Thanks all!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was waking around 3:30 every AM without ability to go back to sleep. This had

been going on for several months. I started Milk Thistle a few weeks ago and

began sleeping through the night. At first I was sleeping through the night

most nights with a few wakings still here and there; now I sleep through the

night - once in a while I get up to go to the bathroom but immediately fall

asleep again just like before my period of waking.

A very cheap solution !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wendell

Why would Clonodine stop working?

Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then stopped.

We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are at

.2 mg and it's not working at all.

It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's waking

up at 3 am.

Any thoughts?

You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

during the day, anymore.

Thanks all!

[Guest guest]

we use trazadone for brittany and fortuately it works. It is definitely

something we need to address when we see Dr. Usman in the fall, but for now, it

works and I can't get too worried about it. Brittany was a horrible sleeper

after a surgery 3 + years ago. It was a horrible experience. We weren't sure if

it was the bone pain, morphine, anesthsia, etc.. that triggered her insomnia.

Not fun at all.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

The nicest part of it, IMHO, is that in a few weeks or months, your liver

will have cleansed and you'll be able to " fly solo " i.e. Give up the milk

thistle and still sleep through out the night... It solves the problem at

its root !

....

-- Re: Why would Clonodine stop working?

I was waking around 3:30 every AM without ability to go back to sleep. This

had been going on for several months. I started Milk Thistle a few weeks ago

and began sleeping through the night. At first I was sleeping through the

night most nights with a few wakings still here and there; now I sleep

through the night - once in a while I get up to go to the bathroom but

immediately fall asleep again just like before my period of waking.

A very cheap solution !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wendell

Why would Clonodine stop working?

Nothing worked for my son waking up in the middle of the night.

Melatonin, 5HTP, benadryl, zantac for his reflux, etc. We finally

started Clonodine in October and it worked for 2 months, then stopped.

We upped the dose, it lasted another 2 months, then stopped. Upped

the dose again to .15 mg (.2 mg is max)and same thing. Now we are at

..2 mg and it's not working at all.

It does a GREAT job at calming him down and helping him fall asleep

faster (30 minutes as opposed to 2 hours like before), but he's waking

up at 3 am.

Any thoughts?

You know how it is when you get used to sleeping through the whole

night and then it stops! It's torture...lol. Plus he's not his best

during the day, anymore.

Thanks all!

[Guest guest]

I figured I'd take it until school is out for the summer and then try " solo " as

I'd not be working then.

W.

----- Original Message -----

From: Fulford

The nicest part of it, IMHO, is that in a few weeks or months, your liver

will have cleansed and you'll be able to " fly solo " i.e. Give up the milk

thistle and still sleep through out the night... It solves the problem at

its root !

...

.

[Guest guest]

>

> Interesting...what would cause his liver to be taxed?

Food intolerance, yeast/bacteria overgrowth, metal toxicity, certain

supplements and medications, lots of other reasons.

> So, what does everyone use for liver support?

Milk thistle works well at my house.

Dana