Re: Kefir, leaky gut, chelation...how do you know?

[Guest guest]

Where did you get coconut water?? I have been reading about BED

(body ecology diet) and think it is probably a great way to kill

yeast and heal the gut. But, the idea of trying to implement it

with a 3year old just seems overwhelming!! I'd love to hear how you

are using it with your child/yourself. What are some simple things

I could do to help my daughter?? She has yeast issues - just

recently identified and I am hoping to figure out somethings that

will help! Thanks

>

> > but I still like to control the

> > yeast. I have tried Candex, Biocidin, GSE, OoO and not had any

> > result accept

> > for Candex for about two days.

>

> I thought it might be helpful to remind Haleh and the rest of us

list

> folk what Galina told us last July:

>

> > Kefir eliminated my son's yeasts just in a week - after a whole

year

> > of desperate fight. I started from 1/2 tsp and now I give him a

glass

> > of kefir daily and he does not need yeast killers or probiotics

in

> > pills or low carb diet anymore.

>

> That is a strong testimony for kefir! One week! Makes me wonder

why

> I've waited so long, but I've finally got my coconut water (in

> tetrapaks), and just received kefir starter from Wilderness

Family

> Naturals.

>

> However, I just now reread another of Galina's posts about the

much

> broader beneficial bacterial base of *real* kefir grains, and did

> start making email inquiries for kefir grains in my area. But

I'll

> get started with the starter--its still got more different strains

of

> bacteria than ThreeLac, which is what we (my stepson and I) have

been

> taking for the last 7 months for our yeast problem (which is

probably

> Candida, from all I've read, although we haven't tested for

strains).

>

> By the way, I wasn't really sure if the ThreeLac was really

helping

> me until I went off it for about 10 days not long ago. The

difference

> without it was amazing. One of the most pronounced symptoms of

the

> sudden yeast overgrowth was that I started noticing a sweet,

> downright yeasty smell coming from my fingertips! (And my diet

would

> be considered to be very low in yeast-feeding foods.) I went back

to

> the ThreeLac, and the next morning that smell was gone, plus my

> overall feeling of well being has increased.

>

> So, my new understanding is that the real *key* to controlling

the

> damaging yeast overgrowth--and thereby helping speed up the

healing

> of the gut--is repopulating the gut with as many good bacteria as

> possible. This sounds like a more balanced and permanent solution

> than relying on herbal yeast-killers, however effective they may

be.

>

> And I do know how effective the herbs are--just before we started

the

> ThreeLac, we did a round (17 days) of CandiGone, complete

with " flu-

> like " die-off symptoms. In retrospect, we probably didn't need to

> suffer so much, but I didn't know about activated charcoal until

> reading about it on the website where I found out about ThreeLac.

>

> Anyway, now it's time to really increase our good bacteria

population

> around here: tonight I will start our first batch of kefir!

>

> Best wishes to all you wonderful folks on this list, from whom

I've

> learned so much,

> Lalita

>

> P.S. - From the Body Ecology web site, about recommended times to

> drink the kefir: " A half cup of the coconut water kefir with

meals

> greatly helps digestion. You can add ginger, stevia, lemon,

and/or

> lime if desired. A half cup at bedtime will help establish a

healthy

> inner ecosystem. Studies from Europe show that when you are lying

> still during sleep, the microflora reproduce faster. "

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Christy. Sorry I don't have the answers you're looking for.

1. I hope Galena or Kay or someone else can answer how they knew

their children's yeast was gone. (For myself, when I can do the " spit

test " without the " strings, " that'll be a sign. We're not doing lab

tests.)

2. They make kefir themselves with *real* kefir grains or kefir

starter from Body Ecology. Galena uses nut milk ( " store bought

hazelnut milk Ecomil " ). I'm about to try it with coconut water.

3. This question is beyond my experience, as our guts are not yet

healed, and we haven't done any chelation. Anyone else?

Best wishes,

Lalita

On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Christy Carrasquilla wrote:

> A couple questions.

> 1. How did she know the yeast was gone in a week? Did you do 2 labs?

> They are $200 each, so we are trying to space them out.

> 2. Where do you get Kefir?

> 3. How do you know when the gut it totally healed, or if it isn't

> healing to do chelation. My son was normal for metals on his hair

> test

> and I know that that isn't accurate.

> Thanks,

> Christy

[Guest guest]

We get Harvest Bay brand coconut water by the case from a local

natural food store. It's in tetrapaks, which is very convenient. At

this time in my life, if I had to use fresh coconuts, it would

definitely be more overwhelming.

Although the BED sounds like a beneficial program, I don't think it's

necessary to follow all their recommendations to receive benefit.

From what I've read, kefir (whatever one uses as the base: coconut

water, almond milk, cow's milk, etc.) is a real key to getting a

handle on yeast issues, and folks are saying their kids will drink

it. I'll let the list know when we ourselves have some experience

with coconut water kefir. It sounds really easy to make--my first

batch should be done by Sunday sometime, so we'll see how it goes for

us, next week. And maybe some list mates who have already been using

kefir will chime in with some words of wisdom or encouragement!

Best wishes,

Lalita

On Feb 17, 2006, at 4:54 PM, jennaleeck wrote:

> Where did you get coconut water?? I have been reading about BED

> (body ecology diet) and think it is probably a great way to kill

> yeast and heal the gut. But, the idea of trying to implement it

> with a 3year old just seems overwhelming!! I'd love to hear how you

> are using it with your child/yourself. What are some simple things

> I could do to help my daughter?? She has yeast issues - just

> recently identified and I am hoping to figure out somethings that

> will help! Thanks

[Guest guest]

>

> A couple questions.

> 1. How did she know the yeast was gone in a week? Did you do 2 labs?

> They are $200 each, so we are trying to space them out.

I am not the person who posted the initial message, but I can tell

when my son's yeast is gone by watching his symptoms.

> 3. How do you know when the gut it totally healed, or if it isn't

> healing to do chelation. My son was normal for metals on his hair test

> and I know that that isn't accurate.

My son's gut was healed when he tolerated all foods without enzymes,

and he no longer had a gut-yeast issue. This required use of enzymes,

supplementation with B vitamins [among other things], and ALA chelation.

You can interpret the hair test here

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> A couple questions.

> 1. How did she know the yeast was gone in a week? Did you do 2

labs?

> They are $200 each, so we are trying to space them out.

I did not have any tests, I went just by symptoms. My son's BM always

were foamy, sour smelling. He had nasty headaches. These symptoms

were gone in a week. Cleaning other behavorial issues (brain yeast,

probably?) took longer. But in a week I surely did know that the

yeast were UNDER CONTROL. I can not ELIMINATE them completely,

because normally they are part of our flora. Healthy immune system

does not kill all the yeasts, just keeps them low. Since my son's

immune system does not work properly, I have to help him with this -

by giving kefur daily.

He still has many gut issues, like caroten/lutein sensitivity and bad

viral load. Still he gets diarrhea if he had some offending food, but

it will be just a few bubbles in it at the worst.

Dana sayd that bad yeast can not be taken under control until

chelation. Yes, I tackled yeasts without it, but I beleive his guts

can't be healed completely untill chelation.

> 2. Where do you get Kefir?

http://www.torontoadvisors.com/Kefir/kefir-list.php

http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/kefirlistUSA.php

Info on kefir:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html

Hth,

Galina

[Guest guest]

>I have been reading about BED

> (body ecology diet) and think it is probably a great way to kill

> yeast and heal the gut. But, the idea of trying to implement it

> with a 3year old just seems overwhelming!!

Fermented food is completely ok for children. As a matter of fact you

can find storebought kefir in conevntional supermarkets almost in

every country of Eastern Europe - Rusiia, Poland, Germany etc . I can

assure you that babies in these countries are given kefir from 6

months. And they can eat sauerkraut as soon as they can eat raw

veggies.

Hope this will make you feel better ))

Galina

>

> >

> > > but I still like to control the

> > > yeast. I have tried Candex, Biocidin, GSE, OoO and not had any

> > > result accept

> > > for Candex for about two days.

> >

> > I thought it might be helpful to remind Haleh and the rest of us

> list

> > folk what Galina told us last July:

> >

> > > Kefir eliminated my son's yeasts just in a week - after a whole

> year

> > > of desperate fight. I started from 1/2 tsp and now I give him a

> glass

> > > of kefir daily and he does not need yeast killers or probiotics

> in

> > > pills or low carb diet anymore.

> >

> > That is a strong testimony for kefir! One week! Makes me wonder

> why

> > I've waited so long, but I've finally got my coconut water (in

> > tetrapaks), and just received kefir starter from Wilderness

> Family

> > Naturals.

> >

> > However, I just now reread another of Galina's posts about the

> much

> > broader beneficial bacterial base of *real* kefir grains, and

did

> > start making email inquiries for kefir grains in my area. But

> I'll

> > get started with the starter--its still got more different

strains

> of

> > bacteria than ThreeLac, which is what we (my stepson and I) have

> been

> > taking for the last 7 months for our yeast problem (which is

> probably

> > Candida, from all I've read, although we haven't tested for

> strains).

> >

> > By the way, I wasn't really sure if the ThreeLac was really

> helping

> > me until I went off it for about 10 days not long ago. The

> difference

> > without it was amazing. One of the most pronounced symptoms of

> the

> > sudden yeast overgrowth was that I started noticing a sweet,

> > downright yeasty smell coming from my fingertips! (And my diet

> would

> > be considered to be very low in yeast-feeding foods.) I went back

> to

> > the ThreeLac, and the next morning that smell was gone, plus my

> > overall feeling of well being has increased.

> >

> > So, my new understanding is that the real *key* to controlling

> the

> > damaging yeast overgrowth--and thereby helping speed up the

> healing

> > of the gut--is repopulating the gut with as many good bacteria

as

> > possible. This sounds like a more balanced and permanent

solution

> > than relying on herbal yeast-killers, however effective they may

> be.

> >

> > And I do know how effective the herbs are--just before we started

> the

> > ThreeLac, we did a round (17 days) of CandiGone, complete

> with " flu-

> > like " die-off symptoms. In retrospect, we probably didn't need

to

> > suffer so much, but I didn't know about activated charcoal until

> > reading about it on the website where I found out about ThreeLac.

> >

> > Anyway, now it's time to really increase our good bacteria

> population

> > around here: tonight I will start our first batch of kefir!

> >

> > Best wishes to all you wonderful folks on this list, from whom

> I've

> > learned so much,

> > Lalita

> >

> > P.S. - From the Body Ecology web site, about recommended times

to

> > drink the kefir: " A half cup of the coconut water kefir with

> meals

> > greatly helps digestion. You can add ginger, stevia, lemon,

> and/or

> > lime if desired. A half cup at bedtime will help establish a

> healthy

> > inner ecosystem. Studies from Europe show that when you are

lying

> > still during sleep, the microflora reproduce faster. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much! I am very interested in how you make kefir. Please

let me know your " recipe " and how it comes out. I think I will try

and start soon. Do you think WHole Foods or WIld Oats sells coconut

water? ANyother yeast killing suggestions? This is my first time!!

>

> > Where did you get coconut water?? I have been reading about BED

> > (body ecology diet) and think it is probably a great way to kill

> > yeast and heal the gut. But, the idea of trying to implement it

> > with a 3year old just seems overwhelming!! I'd love to hear how

you

> > are using it with your child/yourself. What are some simple

things

> > I could do to help my daughter?? She has yeast issues - just

> > recently identified and I am hoping to figure out somethings

that

> > will help! Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

If you're interested in trying young coconut kefir, there are detailed

instructions in the files of this group:

beginnerBEDROK/?yguid=198943229

This is the group using BED for autism.

take care

René

>

> Thanks so much! I am very interested in how you make kefir. Please

> let me know your " recipe " and how it comes out.