Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 What I do is 2 gelcaps broken and squirted in of EPA and 1/2 tsp of CLO for my son to make the ratios right. He is 39 lbs. B. Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006 I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it DHA versus EPA Okay I hope this question makes sense. I thought I read that in using fish oil as a supplement for autism, its important that the EPA be higher than the DHA, and that was the best combination. I was going to order some Cod Liver Oil from Nordic Naturals and I noticed that the DHA is higher than the EPA. It seemed like all their Cod Liver Oil had higher DHA, and all their " regular " fish oil had higher EPA. We tried a sample of CLO and my daughter seems to tolerate it better than other fish oils I've tried, but now I'm worried because of the DHA/EPA ratio. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and can you reassure me that the CLO will be okay for her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 The apraxia board has many kids reporting great results with about a 1.5 to 1 ratio of EPA to DHA. Fairly high doses -- 2000-3000mg. Recent results form natural (gamma) Vit E also. > > Okay I hope this question makes sense. I thought I read that in using > fish oil as a supplement for autism, its important that the EPA be > higher than the DHA, and that was the best combination. > > I was going to order some Cod Liver Oil from Nordic Naturals and I > noticed that the DHA is higher than the EPA. It seemed like all their > Cod Liver Oil had higher DHA, and all their " regular " fish oil had > higher EPA. > > We tried a sample of CLO and my daughter seems to tolerate it better > than other fish oils I've tried, but now I'm worried because of the > DHA/EPA ratio. > > Does anyone know what I'm talking about and can you reassure me that > the CLO will be okay for her? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I am very interested in this and have corresponded privately, I think, with the author for the most recent reply. I found this pdf article which makes a strong case for mostly EPA ie not 1.5 to 1. The mantra of this article is that EPA is function and DHA is structure. If this mantra is corrent then the age of the child taking the supplement probably matters enormously since brains are growing and myelinating more in young children vs. older children vs. adults (and hence the need for DHA may vary with the child's age). I am still muddling about with what product to use but we have started Nordic Naturals Pro-EPA which provides 850 mg EPA and 200 mg DHA in 2 gel caps. I'm very interested to learn more about this. Especially because I was interested in Omega 3's to increase expressive language which is down according to neuropsych testing in my 8 yo. So, I worry that I should be giving more DHA. But, for us, DHA > EPA in NN Berry Keen had no effect that I could see. Also, can Omega 3's be taken with enzymes?? I use the standard AFP peptizyde and Zyme Prime enzymes. My worry is that the lipases in Zyme Prime would digest the omega's and thus render the supplement useless. I am currently giving the Pro-EPA with a PM snack that I don't use enzymes with (I'm also giving a probiotic then because I am really concerned that AFP will eat that, too!) http://www.aor.ca/magazines/pdf/Advances_9_April_2006_The_Fish_You_Can _Catch.pdf Sue. > > The apraxia board has many kids reporting great results with about a > 1.5 to 1 ratio of EPA to DHA. Fairly high doses -- 2000-3000mg. > Recent results form natural (gamma) Vit E also. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 A couple things to consider: first, DHA is not all about structure but is needed functionally as an neural antioxidant and in every case where it is needed for structure it is needed because the " structure " is functionally important; second, it is depleted by oxidative stress, which is increased in autism; third, according to one chart I have from one of Barry Sears' " Zone " books, DHA can be converted into EPA by only one enzymatic step, whereas it takes four enzymatic steps to convert EPA into DHA; fifth, cod liver oil is an excellent source of vitamin A, which spares glutathione peroxidase, which is depleted in autism, whereas fish oil does not contain vitamin A. Moreover, the vitamin A will help protect the fatty acids from the oxidation to which they are vulnerable. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I’m very happy to report that my teenage daughter is FINALLY tolerating EFA’s since I added a digestive enzyme with the lipase in it. She’s only been on it for about a week now, but we’ve all noticed how much more expressive she has been lately. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mommtlc Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: DHA versus EPA The apraxia board has many kids reporting great results with about a 1.5 to 1 ratio of EPA to DHA. Fairly high doses -- 2000-3000mg. Recent results form natural (gamma) Vit E also. > > Okay I hope this question makes sense. I thought I read that in using > fish oil as a supplement for autism, its important that the EPA be > higher than the DHA, and that was the best combination. > > I was going to order some Cod Liver Oil from Nordic Naturals and I > noticed that the DHA is higher than the EPA. It seemed like all their > Cod Liver Oil had higher DHA, and all their " regular " fish oil had > higher EPA. > > We tried a sample of CLO and my daughter seems to tolerate it better > than other fish oils I've tried, but now I'm worried because of the > DHA/EPA ratio. > > Does anyone know what I'm talking about and can you reassure me that > the CLO will be okay for her? > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.6/486 - Release Date: 10/19/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.8/489 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 My son's Fatty Acid test showed his EPA in the lower range while DHA was in the much higher range. Our DAN who is also a naturopath/bio chemist re started him on CLO as in the past he was not tolerating it. I too was questioning the ratios but our DAN said that the CLO would end up balancing the EPA/DHA so we are giving it a try. Our DAN as a bio chemist is briliant but as a DAN not agressive in the way he treats as he carefully considers all interactions and reactions . . On the one hand I can appreciate his being cautious and trying to maintain a balance within my son's bio chemistry but on the other hand in our autism world we also need to push harder to get results. Does anyone else know more about the EPA/DHA ratios for our kids ? Demi In a message dated 10/20/2006 7:48:52 PM Central Standard Time, JBelle456@... writes: I’m very happy to report that my teenage daughter is FINALLY tolerating EFA’s since I added a digestive enzyme with the lipase in it. She’s only been on it for about a week now, but we’ve all noticed how much more expressive she has been lately. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mommtlc Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: DHA versus EPA The apraxia board has many kids reporting great results with about a 1.5 to 1 ratio of EPA to DHA. Fairly high doses -- 2000-3000mg. Recent results form natural (gamma) Vit E also. --- In HYPERLINK " mailto:%40 " @-groups.-co m, " claremariesmom " <mcalo@...> wrote: > > Okay I hope this question makes sense. I thought I read that in using > fish oil as a supplement for autism, its important that the EPA be > higher than the DHA, and that was the best combination. > > I was going to order some Cod Liver Oil from Nordic Naturals and I > noticed that the DHA is higher than the EPA. It seemed like all their > Cod Liver Oil had higher DHA, and all their " regular " fish oil had > higher EPA. > > We tried a sample of CLO and my daughter seems to tolerate it better > than other fish oils I've tried, but now I'm worried because of the > DHA/EPA ratio. > > Does anyone know what I'm talking about and can you reassure me that > the CLO will be okay for her? > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.6/486 - Release Date: 10/19/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.8/489 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 What enzymes have you been able to introduce? WHat type of EFA are you using? We have been using Cod LIver Oil for sometime and I ran out, suprisingly enough, Brittany's dispostion is better since being off--Go figure. Thanks for your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Dear , I’m not sure if you were directing your questions towards me or just to the discussion board. My daughter is 17 and had been on the Houston digestive enzymes for many years. I tried several different enzymes with lipase in them in combo with Nordic Naturals Omega-3 efa. The one that seemed to help the most was our local health food store’s brand of Ultra Veggie Enzymes. If your child has any difficulty digesting fats, which my daughter seems to have, the lipase seems to help her tolerate the EFA, and as I said in my earlier post, we are definitely seeing positive results in expressive language gains. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ken Maher Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: RE: Re: DHA versus EPA What enzymes have you been able to introduce? WHat type of EFA are you using? We have been using Cod LIver Oil for sometime and I ran out, suprisingly enough, Brittany's dispostion is better since being off--Go figure. Thanks for your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 - Did you give the " ultra veggie enzymes " in combination with other Houston enzymes? Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 - Did you give the " ultra veggie enzymes " in combination with other Houston enzymes? Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 ., No…I just give the Ultra veggie enzyme (1 capsule) with 1 capsule of Omega 3. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ken Maher Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Re: DHA versus EPA - Did you give the " ultra veggie enzymes " in combination with other Houston enzymes? Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Can I ask why you switched from Houston? Were you able to see better/different results with the Veggie enzymes? Do you still give it with each meal? Thanks for all your responses. Dougherty <JBelle456@...> wrote: ., No…I just give the Ultra veggie enzyme (1 capsule) with 1 capsule of Omega 3. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ken Maher Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Re: DHA versus EPA - Did you give the " ultra veggie enzymes " in combination with other Houston enzymes? Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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