Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Amber, No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a lab test but this is a possibility: Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast is not always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids suffer from all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or bacterial. TOO MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO CAN CAUSE SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral infections as well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always viral. Currently we have viral and bacterial both. Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on his tongue and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make him worse. Haleh --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid poop and > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour sleep, and I > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, what do you think?? Amber. On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > Amber, > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a lab test > but > this is a possibility: > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast is not > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids suffer > from > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or bacterial. > TOO > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO CAN CAUSE > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral infections as > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always viral. > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on his > tongue > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make him > worse. > Haleh > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid poop and > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour sleep, and I > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment including Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if you can. I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. However, just want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when I treated Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then it became mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my suspicion seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy or runny poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days ago, and then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight after I came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a great day, his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a more than 3 weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with Biocidin and if this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and go from there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria issues, the gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough but hang in there. Here are the list of my son's symptoms: When yeast is a problem: Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and acts like a drunk. Viral: Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. Bad bacteria: Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible and oppositional. I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better and GSE always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria when it kills yeast. By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do run tests? --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, what do > you think?? > Amber. > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > Amber, > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a lab test > > but > > this is a possibility: > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast is not > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids suffer > > from > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or bacterial. > > TOO > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO CAN CAUSE > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral infections as > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always viral. > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on his > > tongue > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make him > > worse. > > Haleh > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid poop and > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour sleep, and I > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was from his mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd kids have a yeast problem. I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but haven't got any until I learned more about it. Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What about the OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I start giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I just know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment including > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if you can. > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. However, > just > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when I > treated > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then it > became > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > suspicion > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy or > runny > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days ago, > and > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight after I > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a great > day, > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a more than > 3 > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with Biocidin and if > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and go from > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria issues, > the > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough but hang > in > there. > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > When yeast is a problem: > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and acts like > a > drunk. > Viral: > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > Bad bacteria: > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible and > oppositional. > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better and GSE > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria when it > kills yeast. > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do run > tests? > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, what > do > > you think?? > > Amber. > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > Amber, > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a lab > test > > > but > > > this is a possibility: > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast is > not > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids suffer > > > from > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > bacterial. > > > TOO > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO CAN > CAUSE > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral infections > as > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always viral. > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on his > > > tongue > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make him > > > worse. > > > Haleh > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid poop > and > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour sleep, > and I > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 First call your DAN and demand some tests. That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD kids have yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is very common and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you will have bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause bad bacteria over growth so I would say stop that for now. OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and my son doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't worked out yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been responding negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I have done a few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops get worse. I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to have the benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be shooting in the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start treatments that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and immune system. Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. that doesn't do tests. I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book " Children With Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well what your DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it to your DAN to read it and follow the treatment course. Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and tons of money on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I am saying this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just like my son. I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after friday. Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. Best, Haleh --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was from his > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd kids > have a yeast problem. > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but haven't got > any until I learned more about it. > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What about the > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I start > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I just > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment including > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if you can. > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. However, > > just > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when I > > treated > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then it > > became > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > > suspicion > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy or > > runny > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days ago, > > and > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight after I > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a great > > day, > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a more than > > 3 > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with Biocidin and if > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and go from > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria issues, > > the > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough but hang > > in > > there. > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > When yeast is a problem: > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and acts like > > a > > drunk. > > Viral: > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > Bad bacteria: > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible and > > oppositional. > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better and GSE > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria when it > > kills yeast. > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do run > > tests? > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, what > > do > > > you think?? > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a lab > > test > > > > but > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast is > > not > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids suffer > > > > from > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > > bacterial. > > > > TOO > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO CAN > > CAUSE > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral infections > > as > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always viral. > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on his > > > > tongue > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make him > > > > worse. > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid poop > > and > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour sleep, > > and I > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Haleh is right! Also you can go to www.directlabs.com <http://www.dreictlabs.com/> and order a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. This is the one your DAN would order if s/he was doing it and it is cheaper on this site than at most doc offices (though it is still VERY expensive and not the sort of thing most of us can do very often). Josie Re: Another update First call your DAN and demand some tests. That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD kids have yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is very common and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you will have bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause bad bacteria over growth so I would say stop that for now. OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and my son doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't worked out yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been responding negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I have done a few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops get worse. I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to have the benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be shooting in the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start treatments that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and immune system. Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. that doesn't do tests. I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book " Children With Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well what your DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it to your DAN to read it and follow the treatment course. Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and tons of money on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I am saying this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just like my son. I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after friday. Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. Best, Haleh --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was from his > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd kids > have a yeast problem. > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but haven't got > any until I learned more about it. > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What about the > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I start > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I just > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment including > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if you can. > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. However, > > just > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when I > > treated > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then it > > became > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > > suspicion > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy or > > runny > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days ago, > > and > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight after I > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a great > > day, > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a more than > > 3 > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with Biocidin and if > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and go from > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria issues, > > the > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough but hang > > in > > there. > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > When yeast is a problem: > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and acts like > > a > > drunk. > > Viral: > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > Bad bacteria: > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible and > > oppositional. > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better and GSE > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria when it > > kills yeast. > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do run > > tests? > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, what > > do > > > you think?? > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a lab > > test > > > > but > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast is > > not > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids suffer > > > > from > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > > bacterial. > > > > TOO > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO CAN > > CAUSE > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral infections > > as > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always viral. > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on his > > > > tongue > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make him > > > > worse. > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid poop > > and > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour sleep, > > and I > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hi Haleh, yes, I know you are right. There are 2 DAN DR.'s and from what the other moms have said, this one is the better of the 2. I ordered the McCandless book, but it won't be here for a couple of weeks. Jaqueline McCandless trained my DAN Dr. I will see him again in less than 2 weeks, and I will ask him about the tests. slept until 6:00am this morning- for him that is good. Hopefully, he'll sleep good tonight. Do you think I should take out GSE, and put in OLE??? Thanks. Amber. On 1/31/06, Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote: > > Haleh is right! > > > > Also you can go to www.directlabs.com <http://www.dreictlabs.com/> and > order a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. This is the one your DAN > would order if s/he was doing it and it is cheaper on this site than at > most > doc offices (though it is still VERY expensive and not the sort of thing > most of us can do very often). > > > > Josie > > > > Re: Another update > > > > First call your DAN and demand some tests. > That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD kids have > yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is very > common > and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you will have > bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause bad > bacteria > over growth so I would say stop that for now. > OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and my son > doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't worked > out > yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been responding > negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I have > done > a > few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops get > worse. > > > I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. > > My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to have the > benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be shooting > in > the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start > treatments > that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and immune > system. > Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. that > doesn't do tests. > I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book " Children With > Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well what > your > DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it to your > DAN > to read it and follow the treatment course. > Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and tons of > money > on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I am saying > this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just like my > son. > I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after friday. > Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. > Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. > Best, > Haleh > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was from > his > > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd > kids > > have a yeast problem. > > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but haven't > got > > any until I learned more about it. > > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What about > the > > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I start > > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I > just > > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment > including > > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if you > can. > > > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. > However, > > > just > > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when I > > > treated > > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then it > > > became > > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > > > suspicion > > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy or > > > runny > > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days > ago, > > > and > > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight > after > I > > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a great > > > day, > > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a more > than > > > 3 > > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with Biocidin > and > if > > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and go > from > > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria > issues, > > > the > > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough but > hang > > > in > > > there. > > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > > When yeast is a problem: > > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and acts > like > > > a > > > drunk. > > > Viral: > > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > > Bad bacteria: > > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible and > > > oppositional. > > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better and > GSE > > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria > when > it > > > kills yeast. > > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do run > > > tests? > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, > what > > > do > > > > you think?? > > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a > lab > > > test > > > > > but > > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast > is > > > not > > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids > suffer > > > > > from > > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > > > bacterial. > > > > > TOO > > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO > CAN > > > CAUSE > > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral > infections > > > as > > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always > viral. > > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on > his > > > > > tongue > > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make > him > > > > > worse. > > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid > poop > > > and > > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour > sleep, > > > and I > > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is what I did. I stopped all yeast treatments for my son for now because his behavior had gotten worse. My son does worse on probiotics than without. Then when yeast gets bad, I add the probiotics again. I am not a doctor and can't make the most educated recommendation but if your son does have bad bacteria, every time you treat yeast you will get bacteria problems and in my humble opinion, bacteria causes a bigger problem behaviorally. So, until the tests confirms what his problems are, go easy on GSE and do add OLE and/or OoO if you can get him to take it. Again bacteria can also produces mushy poop and lack of sleep. Yeast makes the child giggly but my son with bacteria issues get pretty defiant. Some kids get even aggressive. It is great that your DAN was trained by dr. McCandless. Perhaps you can ask him to look into some of her more recent treatments as well. But first thing's first and that is to know exactly what is going on inside little 's poor tummy. You mission for him is: Heal the leaky gut, get the nutrients up and when that is done, detoxify. Seems like you are so diligently working on first two and this does take time. Hang in there. Best, Haleh P.S. The latest edition of the book has a lot of newer treatment. When you read it, you can take notes and ask your DAN about them. --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > Hi Haleh, yes, I know you are right. There are 2 DAN DR.'s and from what the > other moms have said, this one is the better of the 2. I ordered the > McCandless book, but it won't be here for a couple of weeks. Jaqueline > McCandless trained my DAN Dr. I will see him again in less than 2 weeks, and > I will ask him about the tests. slept until 6:00am this morning- for > him that is good. Hopefully, he'll sleep good tonight. Do you think I should > take out GSE, and put in OLE??? Thanks. Amber. > > On 1/31/06, Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote: > > > > Haleh is right! > > > > > > > > Also you can go to www.directlabs.com <http://www.dreictlabs.com/> and > > order a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. This is the one your DAN > > would order if s/he was doing it and it is cheaper on this site than at > > most > > doc offices (though it is still VERY expensive and not the sort of thing > > most of us can do very often). > > > > > > > > Josie > > > > > > > > Re: Another update > > > > > > > > First call your DAN and demand some tests. > > That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD kids have > > yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is very > > common > > and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you will have > > bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause bad > > bacteria > > over growth so I would say stop that for now. > > OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and my son > > doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't worked > > out > > yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been responding > > negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I have > > done > > a > > few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops get > > worse. > > > > > > I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. > > > > My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to have the > > benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be shooting > > in > > the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start > > treatments > > that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and immune > > system. > > Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. that > > doesn't do tests. > > I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book " Children With > > Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well what > > your > > DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it to your > > DAN > > to read it and follow the treatment course. > > Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and tons of > > money > > on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I am saying > > this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just like my > > son. > > I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after friday. > > Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. > > Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. > > Best, > > Haleh > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was from > > his > > > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd > > kids > > > have a yeast problem. > > > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but haven't > > got > > > any until I learned more about it. > > > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What about > > the > > > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I start > > > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I > > just > > > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment > > including > > > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if you > > can. > > > > > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. > > However, > > > > just > > > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when I > > > > treated > > > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then it > > > > became > > > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > > > > suspicion > > > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy or > > > > runny > > > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days > > ago, > > > > and > > > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight > > after > > I > > > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a great > > > > day, > > > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a more > > than > > > > 3 > > > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with Biocidin > > and > > if > > > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and go > > from > > > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria > > issues, > > > > the > > > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough but > > hang > > > > in > > > > there. > > > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > > > When yeast is a problem: > > > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and acts > > like > > > > a > > > > drunk. > > > > Viral: > > > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > > > Bad bacteria: > > > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible and > > > > oppositional. > > > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better and > > GSE > > > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria > > when > > it > > > > kills yeast. > > > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do run > > > > tests? > > > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking OLE, > > what > > > > do > > > > > you think?? > > > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran a > > lab > > > > test > > > > > > but > > > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but yeast > > is > > > > not > > > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our kids > > suffer > > > > > > from > > > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > > > > bacterial. > > > > > > TOO > > > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH ALSO > > CAN > > > > CAUSE > > > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral > > infections > > > > as > > > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always > > viral. > > > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film on > > his > > > > > > tongue > > > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can make > > him > > > > > > worse. > > > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of solid > > poop > > > > and > > > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour > > sleep, > > > > and I > > > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on Nystain. > > > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Hi Haleh, I'm not sure if the book I'm getting is the latest edition, or not. I had to call two book stores, the first one was Chapters, and they didn't have any in the warehouse, then I called McNally , and when she was checking, she mentioned something about editions, I was just so glad to order one, I don't remember which edition she said this one is. I guess I'll see when it gets here, I wish it would hurry. Yesterday, had a really off day. He slept until 6:00am, which is good for him, but while in therapy, his focus was about 30 seconds ( they had him up to 7-10 minutes). He was like that last year, and I was worried that he was regressing. He also threw himself on the floor and screamed when he wanted something, didn't get his way, or if they wanted him to do something that he didn't want to do, like he did last year. I also changed a very full almost liquid poopy diaper. Then, last night, he fell asleep about 9:30pm, and slept all night, I had to go in his room and wake him up at 7:45am and he was in his bed still!! He's NEVER in his almost 5 years done that!!! And, his aid said today that he was GREAT!!!!! The behavioral consultant did some testing on him this morning, and it was tedious stuff that he had to sit for a long time and do (very challenging for ), and he did great. She, and some of the others around the centre, commented on how good he was doing, and how good his focus was. I changed a not solid, but firmer poopy diaper about an hour ago, after he came to me, took my hand, looked hard into my eyes, and said " I poot " . He is having a good day, I just hope it's the start of good things. Sorry, I know I'm rambling, but I really want to tell someone, and no one would appreciate this news as much as a fellow mom. Right now I give 2 drops of GSE rotated every 4 days with 1 drop of OoO. I am thinking of adding OLE, but I'm not sure if I would rotate it in with the GSE and OoO, or give it on top of them every day. What is your opinion?? I can't wait to hear your test results, you said Friday, didn't you- that would be tomorrow. Thanks again for listening, Haleh. I really enjoy talking with you. Amber. On 2/2/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > This is what I did. I stopped all yeast treatments for my son for now > because > his behavior had gotten worse. My son does worse on probiotics than > without. > Then when yeast gets bad, I add the probiotics again. I am not a doctor > and > can't make the most educated recommendation but if your son does have bad > bacteria, every time you treat yeast you will get bacteria problems and in > my > humble opinion, bacteria causes a bigger problem behaviorally. So, until > the > tests confirms what his problems are, go easy on GSE and do add OLE and/or > OoO > if you can get him to take it. > > Again bacteria can also produces mushy poop and lack of sleep. Yeast makes > the > child giggly but my son with bacteria issues get pretty defiant. Some kids > get > even aggressive. > > It is great that your DAN was trained by dr. McCandless. Perhaps you can > ask > him to look into some of her more recent treatments as well. But first > thing's > first and that is to know exactly what is going on inside little 's > poor > tummy. > You mission for him is: > Heal the leaky gut, get the nutrients up and when that is done, detoxify. > Seems like you are so diligently working on first two and this does take > time. > Hang in there. > Best, > Haleh > P.S. The latest edition of the book has a lot of newer treatment. When you > read it, you can take notes and ask your DAN about them. > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > Hi Haleh, yes, I know you are right. There are 2 DAN DR.'s and from what > the > > other moms have said, this one is the better of the 2. I ordered the > > McCandless book, but it won't be here for a couple of weeks. Jaqueline > > McCandless trained my DAN Dr. I will see him again in less than 2 weeks, > and > > I will ask him about the tests. slept until 6:00am this morning- > for > > him that is good. Hopefully, he'll sleep good tonight. Do you think I > should > > take out GSE, and put in OLE??? Thanks. Amber. > > > > On 1/31/06, Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote: > > > > > > Haleh is right! > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you can go to www.directlabs.com <http://www.dreictlabs.com/> > and > > > order a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. This is the one your > DAN > > > would order if s/he was doing it and it is cheaper on this site than > at > > > most > > > doc offices (though it is still VERY expensive and not the sort of > thing > > > most of us can do very often). > > > > > > > > > > > > Josie > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Another update > > > > > > > > > > > > First call your DAN and demand some tests. > > > That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD kids > have > > > yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is very > > > common > > > and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you will > have > > > bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause bad > > > bacteria > > > over growth so I would say stop that for now. > > > OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and my > son > > > doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't > worked > > > out > > > yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been responding > > > negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I have > > > done > > > a > > > few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops get > > > worse. > > > > > > > > > I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. > > > > > > My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to have > the > > > benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be > shooting > > > in > > > the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start > > > treatments > > > that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and immune > > > system. > > > Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. > that > > > doesn't do tests. > > > I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book " Children > With > > > Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well what > > > your > > > DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it to > your > > > DAN > > > to read it and follow the treatment course. > > > Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and tons of > > > money > > > on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I am > saying > > > this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just like > my > > > son. > > > I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after friday. > > > Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. > > > Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. > > > Best, > > > Haleh > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was > from > > > his > > > > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd > > > kids > > > > have a yeast problem. > > > > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but > haven't > > > got > > > > any until I learned more about it. > > > > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What > about > > > the > > > > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I > start > > > > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I > > > just > > > > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment > > > including > > > > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if > you > > > can. > > > > > > > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. > > > However, > > > > > just > > > > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when > I > > > > > treated > > > > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then > it > > > > > became > > > > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > > > > > suspicion > > > > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy > or > > > > > runny > > > > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days > > > ago, > > > > > and > > > > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight > > > after > > > I > > > > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a > great > > > > > day, > > > > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a > more > > > than > > > > > 3 > > > > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with > Biocidin > > > and > > > if > > > > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and > go > > > from > > > > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria > > > issues, > > > > > the > > > > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough > but > > > hang > > > > > in > > > > > there. > > > > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > > > > When yeast is a problem: > > > > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and > acts > > > like > > > > > a > > > > > drunk. > > > > > Viral: > > > > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > > > > Bad bacteria: > > > > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible > and > > > > > oppositional. > > > > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better > and > > > GSE > > > > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria > > > when > > > it > > > > > kills yeast. > > > > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do > run > > > > > tests? > > > > > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking > OLE, > > > what > > > > > do > > > > > > you think?? > > > > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran > a > > > lab > > > > > test > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but > yeast > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our > kids > > > suffer > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > > > > > bacterial. > > > > > > > TOO > > > > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH > ALSO > > > CAN > > > > > CAUSE > > > > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral > > > infections > > > > > as > > > > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always > > > viral. > > > > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film > on > > > his > > > > > > > tongue > > > > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can > make > > > him > > > > > > > worse. > > > > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of > solid > > > poop > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour > > > sleep, > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on > Nystain. > > > > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Amber, Thank you for the good news. I love hearing them. Especially from you who have been tenaciously laboring on this. 's sleeping is very important and good for him. I would give OLE every day and keep it for maintenance. My son wouldn't take it. He is super taste sensitive and very picky and if I mess up on the flavor of his juice once, then it will take me three days to get him back on his juice which has all his supplements in it so, I don't dare to even go near OoO and OLE for him. I do use them for me as I have all the same gut problem and without supplements, I wake up every night too. One supplement I really recommend for his sleep is a good dose of Magnesium and since he has loose stool, you may want to give him magnesium Glycinate. The only problem is that it becomes very sweet in juice and of course my son hates too sweet. Sounds like is already doing better. The watery poop for us is always viral which my son has a cyclical problems with. Yes, tomorrow afternoon is a big day for us. We see his doctor for 2 hrs from 2-4 pacific time and then to the pharmacy to get his nasal spray and then 1 1/2 hr drive back home perhaps in the rush hour traffic. I some times wonder what it would be like to have an NT child. what would it be like if our kids would become NT. I am now rambling... but nothing in my life has ever been easy, so, I guess I shouldn't have expected motherhood to be. My struggle in life goes as far back as I can remember. By today's standards, I would be diagnosed with Aspergers and I suffered a lot and other kids in school picked on me and made fun of me even though I was so much smarter than them. That is one reason that I feel now so devoted to my child and also try to help other moms here to do biomedical. I think I am somewhat aware of what it feels for the kids to be autistic. About what edition of the book, don't worry about it. Your doctor perhaps is in contact with other DANs and knows what is going on currently. The book is good read and will help you understand the metabolic problems that they are trying to treat. Please give the little sweetheart a hug for me and I truly hope your older son starts making friends soon. Methyl B 12's full effect takes about five weeks but you should see a reduction of stress very soon with him. Children are such precious beings and their suffering really hurts me. I am so proud of you for the great mother that you are. Once your life becomes more settled and manageable, and does better and becomes more stable on his treatment, you should start taking care of Amber and do something nice for yourself. Will keep you posted, perhaps will write late Friday or late night Saturaday (I working on Saturday during day time). Best, Haleh --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > Hi Haleh, I'm not sure if the book I'm getting is the latest edition, or > not. I had to call two book stores, the first one was Chapters, and they > didn't have any in the warehouse, then I called McNally , and when > she was checking, she mentioned something about editions, I was just so glad > to order one, I don't remember which edition she said this one is. I guess > I'll see when it gets here, I wish it would hurry. > Yesterday, had a really off day. He slept until 6:00am, which is good > for him, but while in therapy, his focus was about 30 seconds ( they had him > up to 7-10 minutes). He was like that last year, and I was worried that he > was regressing. He also threw himself on the floor and screamed when he > wanted something, didn't get his way, or if they wanted him to do something > that he didn't want to do, like he did last year. I also changed a very full > almost liquid poopy diaper. Then, last night, he fell asleep about 9:30pm, > and slept all night, I had to go in his room and wake him up at 7:45am and > he was in his bed still!! He's NEVER in his almost 5 years done that!!! > And, his aid said today that he was GREAT!!!!! The behavioral consultant > did some testing on him this morning, and it was tedious stuff that he had > to sit for a long time and do (very challenging for ), and he did great. > She, and some of the others around the centre, commented on how good he was > doing, and how good his focus was. I changed a not solid, but firmer poopy > diaper about an hour ago, after he came to me, took my hand, looked hard > into my eyes, and said " I poot " . He is having a good day, I just hope it's > the start of good things. Sorry, I know I'm rambling, but I really want to > tell someone, and no one would appreciate this news as much as a fellow mom. > Right now I give 2 drops of GSE rotated every 4 days with 1 drop of > OoO. I am thinking of adding OLE, but I'm not sure if I would rotate it in > with the GSE and OoO, or give it on top of them every day. What is your > opinion?? > I can't wait to hear your test results, you said Friday, didn't you- that > would be tomorrow. > Thanks again for listening, Haleh. I really enjoy talking with you. > Amber. > > > On 2/2/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > This is what I did. I stopped all yeast treatments for my son for now > > because > > his behavior had gotten worse. My son does worse on probiotics than > > without. > > Then when yeast gets bad, I add the probiotics again. I am not a doctor > > and > > can't make the most educated recommendation but if your son does have bad > > bacteria, every time you treat yeast you will get bacteria problems and in > > my > > humble opinion, bacteria causes a bigger problem behaviorally. So, until > > the > > tests confirms what his problems are, go easy on GSE and do add OLE and/or > > OoO > > if you can get him to take it. > > > > Again bacteria can also produces mushy poop and lack of sleep. Yeast makes > > the > > child giggly but my son with bacteria issues get pretty defiant. Some kids > > get > > even aggressive. > > > > It is great that your DAN was trained by dr. McCandless. Perhaps you can > > ask > > him to look into some of her more recent treatments as well. But first > > thing's > > first and that is to know exactly what is going on inside little 's > > poor > > tummy. > > You mission for him is: > > Heal the leaky gut, get the nutrients up and when that is done, detoxify. > > Seems like you are so diligently working on first two and this does take > > time. > > Hang in there. > > Best, > > Haleh > > P.S. The latest edition of the book has a lot of newer treatment. When you > > read it, you can take notes and ask your DAN about them. > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Haleh, yes, I know you are right. There are 2 DAN DR.'s and from what > > the > > > other moms have said, this one is the better of the 2. I ordered the > > > McCandless book, but it won't be here for a couple of weeks. Jaqueline > > > McCandless trained my DAN Dr. I will see him again in less than 2 weeks, > > and > > > I will ask him about the tests. slept until 6:00am this morning- > > for > > > him that is good. Hopefully, he'll sleep good tonight. Do you think I > > should > > > take out GSE, and put in OLE??? Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > On 1/31/06, Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Haleh is right! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you can go to www.directlabs.com <http://www.dreictlabs.com/> > > and > > > > order a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. This is the one your > > DAN > > > > would order if s/he was doing it and it is cheaper on this site than > > at > > > > most > > > > doc offices (though it is still VERY expensive and not the sort of > > thing > > > > most of us can do very often). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Another update > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First call your DAN and demand some tests. > > > > That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD kids > > have > > > > yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is very > > > > common > > > > and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you will > > have > > > > bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause bad > > > > bacteria > > > > over growth so I would say stop that for now. > > > > OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and my > > son > > > > doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't > > worked > > > > out > > > > yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been responding > > > > negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I have > > > > done > > > > a > > > > few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops get > > > > worse. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. > > > > > > > > My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to have > > the > > > > benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be > > shooting > > > > in > > > > the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start > > > > treatments > > > > that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and immune > > > > system. > > > > Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. > > that > > > > doesn't do tests. > > > > I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book " Children > > With > > > > Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well what > > > > your > > > > DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it to > > your > > > > DAN > > > > to read it and follow the treatment course. > > > > Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and tons of > > > > money > > > > on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I am > > saying > > > > this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just like > > my > > > > son. > > > > I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after friday. > > > > Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. > > > > Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. > > > > Best, > > > > Haleh > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was > > from > > > > his > > > > > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most asd > > > > kids > > > > > have a yeast problem. > > > > > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but > > haven't > > > > got > > > > > any until I learned more about it. > > > > > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What > > about > > > > the > > > > > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I > > start > > > > > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic treats. I > > > > just > > > > > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast treatment > > > > including > > > > > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first if > > you > > > > can. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. > > > > However, > > > > > > just > > > > > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently when > > I > > > > > > treated > > > > > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and then > > it > > > > > > became > > > > > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and my > > > > > > suspicion > > > > > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling mushy > > or > > > > > > runny > > > > > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few days > > > > ago, > > > > > > and > > > > > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and tonight > > > > after > > > > I > > > > > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had a > > great > > > > > > day, > > > > > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in a > > more > > > > than > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with > > Biocidin > > > > and > > > > if > > > > > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic and > > go > > > > from > > > > > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and bacteria > > > > issues, > > > > > > the > > > > > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and tough > > but > > > > hang > > > > > > in > > > > > > there. > > > > > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > > > > > When yeast is a problem: > > > > > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks and > > acts > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > drunk. > > > > > > Viral: > > > > > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > > > > > Bad bacteria: > > > > > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, inflexible > > and > > > > > > oppositional. > > > > > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral better > > and > > > > GSE > > > > > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad bacteria > > > > when > > > > it > > > > > > kills yeast. > > > > > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did he do > > run > > > > > > tests? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm thinking > > OLE, > > > > what > > > > > > do > > > > > > > you think?? > > > > > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has ran > > a > > > > lab > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues but > > yeast > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our > > kids > > > > suffer > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral and/or > > > > > > bacterial. > > > > > > > > TOO > > > > > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH WHICH > > ALSO > > > > CAN > > > > > > CAUSE > > > > > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with viral > > > > infections > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is always > > > > viral. > > > > > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish film > > on > > > > his > > > > > > > > tongue > > > > > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin can > > make > > > > him > > > > > > > > worse. > > > > > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of > > solid > > > > poop > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 hour > > > > sleep, > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically liquid?? > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on > > Nystain. > > > > > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Hi Haleh, Well last night, slept about 2 hours again, but he isn't feeling well today, so I really hope that's the only reason why. One challenge I don't have with is he is not a picky eater at all. I could feed him bleach, and besides making a face, he would swallow it no problem. I'm lucky that way, he'll take all of his supplements, and eat whatever food I feed him. I give him a kirkman buffered magnesium glycinate 2x a day. I totally know what you mean about wondering what life would be like if our kids were nt. My oldest is nt, he's 4 1/2 years older than , and 6 1/2 years older than my daughter, who is also nt. Having makes everything I do in everyday life way more difficult, and frustrating, and in a lot of cases unpleasant. Like shopping, going to a restaurant, or visiting people. And, what would we do with all of our spare time if we didn't have to spend it researching treatments for our kids?? Motherhood shouldn't be this difficult. Having has really changed me, and my attitude. I take the kids to a park, and I see other moms there visiting with each other while their nt children are playing. I don't talk to moms anymore. And I just hope that doesn't attack one of their children, so I don't have to talk to them, and tell them that is autistic, and have them look at him like I just told them that he has 2 heads. Well, who's rambling now? Sometimes something good comes out of all of this- meeting you has definitely been a good thing for me. I will be thinking about you all day, I can't wait to hear how your Dr. appointment went. Your son is very lucky to have you for a mom. As difficult as motherhood turned out for you, you are doing the best job of it- you are an incredible mom, and person, and friend. Please, let me know how things are going. Talk to you soon. Amber. On 2/2/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > Amber, Thank you for the good news. I love hearing them. Especially from > you > who have been tenaciously laboring on this. > 's sleeping is very important and good for him. I would give OLE every > day > and keep it for maintenance. My son wouldn't take it. He is super taste > sensitive and very picky and if I mess up on the flavor of his juice once, > then it will take me three days to get him back on his juice which has all > his > supplements in it so, I don't dare to even go near OoO and OLE for him. I > do > use them for me as I have all the same gut problem and without > supplements, I > wake up every night too. One supplement I really recommend for his sleep > is a > good dose of Magnesium and since he has loose stool, you may want to give > him > magnesium Glycinate. The only problem is that it becomes very sweet in > juice > and of course my son hates too sweet. > Sounds like is already doing better. The watery poop for us is always > viral which my son has a cyclical problems with. > Yes, tomorrow afternoon is a big day for us. We see his doctor for 2 hrs > from > 2-4 pacific time and then to the pharmacy to get his nasal spray and then > 1 > 1/2 hr drive back home perhaps in the rush hour traffic. I some times > wonder > what it would be like to have an NT child. what would it be like if our > kids > would become NT. I am now rambling... but nothing in my life has ever been > easy, so, I guess I shouldn't have expected motherhood to be. My struggle > in > life goes as far back as I can remember. By today's standards, I would be > diagnosed with Aspergers and I suffered a lot and other kids in school > picked > on me and made fun of me even though I was so much smarter than them. That > is > one reason that I feel now so devoted to my child and also try to help > other > moms here to do biomedical. I think I am somewhat aware of what it feels > for > the kids to be autistic. > > About what edition of the book, don't worry about it. Your doctor perhaps > is > in contact with other DANs and knows what is going on currently. The book > is > good read and will help you understand the metabolic problems that they > are > trying to treat. > > Please give the little sweetheart a hug for me and I truly hope your > older son starts making friends soon. Methyl B 12's full effect takes > about > five weeks but you should see a reduction of stress very soon with him. > Children are such precious beings and their suffering really hurts me. > I am so proud of you for the great mother that you are. Once your life > becomes > more settled and manageable, and does better and becomes more stable > on > his treatment, you should start taking care of Amber and do something nice > for > yourself. > > Will keep you posted, perhaps will write late Friday or late night > Saturaday > (I working on Saturday during day time). > Best, > Haleh > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > Hi Haleh, I'm not sure if the book I'm getting is the latest edition, or > > not. I had to call two book stores, the first one was Chapters, and they > > didn't have any in the warehouse, then I called McNally , and > when > > she was checking, she mentioned something about editions, I was just so > glad > > to order one, I don't remember which edition she said this one is. I > guess > > I'll see when it gets here, I wish it would hurry. > > Yesterday, had a really off day. He slept until 6:00am, which is > good > > for him, but while in therapy, his focus was about 30 seconds ( they had > him > > up to 7-10 minutes). He was like that last year, and I was worried that > he > > was regressing. He also threw himself on the floor and screamed when he > > wanted something, didn't get his way, or if they wanted him to do > something > > that he didn't want to do, like he did last year. I also changed a very > full > > almost liquid poopy diaper. Then, last night, he fell asleep about > 9:30pm, > > and slept all night, I had to go in his room and wake him up at 7:45am > and > > he was in his bed still!! He's NEVER in his almost 5 years done that!!! > > And, his aid said today that he was GREAT!!!!! The behavioral > consultant > > did some testing on him this morning, and it was tedious stuff that he > had > > to sit for a long time and do (very challenging for ), and he did > great. > > She, and some of the others around the centre, commented on how good he > was > > doing, and how good his focus was. I changed a not solid, but firmer > poopy > > diaper about an hour ago, after he came to me, took my hand, looked hard > > into my eyes, and said " I poot " . He is having a good day, I just hope > it's > > the start of good things. Sorry, I know I'm rambling, but I really want > to > > tell someone, and no one would appreciate this news as much as a fellow > mom. > > Right now I give 2 drops of GSE rotated every 4 days with 1 drop of > > OoO. I am thinking of adding OLE, but I'm not sure if I would rotate it > in > > with the GSE and OoO, or give it on top of them every day. What is your > > opinion?? > > I can't wait to hear your test results, you said Friday, didn't you- > that > > would be tomorrow. > > Thanks again for listening, Haleh. I really enjoy talking with you. > > Amber. > > > > > > On 2/2/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > This is what I did. I stopped all yeast treatments for my son for now > > > because > > > his behavior had gotten worse. My son does worse on probiotics than > > > without. > > > Then when yeast gets bad, I add the probiotics again. I am not a > doctor > > > and > > > can't make the most educated recommendation but if your son does have > bad > > > bacteria, every time you treat yeast you will get bacteria problems > and in > > > my > > > humble opinion, bacteria causes a bigger problem behaviorally. So, > until > > > the > > > tests confirms what his problems are, go easy on GSE and do add OLE > and/or > > > OoO > > > if you can get him to take it. > > > > > > Again bacteria can also produces mushy poop and lack of sleep. Yeast > makes > > > the > > > child giggly but my son with bacteria issues get pretty defiant. Some > kids > > > get > > > even aggressive. > > > > > > It is great that your DAN was trained by dr. McCandless. Perhaps you > can > > > ask > > > him to look into some of her more recent treatments as well. But first > > > thing's > > > first and that is to know exactly what is going on inside little > 's > > > poor > > > tummy. > > > You mission for him is: > > > Heal the leaky gut, get the nutrients up and when that is done, > detoxify. > > > Seems like you are so diligently working on first two and this does > take > > > time. > > > Hang in there. > > > Best, > > > Haleh > > > P.S. The latest edition of the book has a lot of newer treatment. When > you > > > read it, you can take notes and ask your DAN about them. > > > > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Haleh, yes, I know you are right. There are 2 DAN DR.'s and from > what > > > the > > > > other moms have said, this one is the better of the 2. I ordered the > > > > McCandless book, but it won't be here for a couple of weeks. > Jaqueline > > > > McCandless trained my DAN Dr. I will see him again in less than 2 > weeks, > > > and > > > > I will ask him about the tests. slept until 6:00am this > morning- > > > for > > > > him that is good. Hopefully, he'll sleep good tonight. Do you think > I > > > should > > > > take out GSE, and put in OLE??? Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > On 1/31/06, Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Haleh is right! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you can go to www.directlabs.com <http://www.dreictlabs.com/> > > > and > > > > > order a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. This is the one > your > > > DAN > > > > > would order if s/he was doing it and it is cheaper on this site > than > > > at > > > > > most > > > > > doc offices (though it is still VERY expensive and not the sort of > > > thing > > > > > most of us can do very often). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Another update > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First call your DAN and demand some tests. > > > > > That is how real DAN medicine is done. It is true that most ASD > kids > > > have > > > > > yeast issues but most have other things as well. Colestridia is > very > > > > > common > > > > > and coexist with yeast and if you treat yeast and not that you > will > > > have > > > > > bacterial problems. GSE for me does yeast killing and can cause > bad > > > > > bacteria > > > > > over growth so I would say stop that for now. > > > > > OoO should be fine and I use OLE for me but it tastes terrible and > my > > > son > > > > > doesn't take it. So now I am actually trying Biocidin. It hasn't > > > worked > > > > > out > > > > > yet so, I can't recommend that yet. Recently Keyon has been > responding > > > > > negatively to all probiotics as well. It doesn't make sense but I > have > > > > > done > > > > > a > > > > > few trials and just every time I add that, his behavior and poops > get > > > > > worse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish I had more answers for you. But every child is different. > > > > > > > > > > My dear Amber, You have relocated a long way in Canada just to > have > > > the > > > > > benefit of a DAN physician. It is not right for you to have to be > > > shooting > > > > > in > > > > > the dark. Your dr. must help you by running proper tests and start > > > > > treatments > > > > > that help your child cognitively as well as his gut health and > immune > > > > > system. > > > > > Is he the only DAN dr. around you. I have never heard of a DAN dr. > > > that > > > > > doesn't do tests. > > > > > I think you really should buy a copy of Dr McCandels book > " Children > > > With > > > > > Starving Brains " . It is really easy to read and tells you so well > what > > > > > your > > > > > DAN Dr should do. After you are done with it, you should give it > to > > > your > > > > > DAN > > > > > to read it and follow the treatment course. > > > > > Otherwise, and you will be loosing much precious time and > tons of > > > > > money > > > > > on many supplements that don't work without substantial gains. I > am > > > saying > > > > > this because sounds like 's gut issues are very complex just > like > > > my > > > > > son. > > > > > I will tell you what I'll learn of my son's Lab results after > friday. > > > > > Meanwhile, please pressure your Dr to help you heal your child. > > > > > Be tenatious with him. Bug him, so he won't forget. > > > > > Best, > > > > > Haleh > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No, he didn't run tests. He just said he has yeast. Maybe it was > > > from > > > > > his > > > > > > mushy poop, and lack of sleeping at night, and he said that most > asd > > > > > kids > > > > > > have a yeast problem. > > > > > > I know that my health food store carries OLE, I've seen it, but > > > haven't > > > > > got > > > > > > any until I learned more about it. > > > > > > Do you think I should give it every day, and stop the GSE? What > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > OoO?? Should I stop it too, or rotate it with the OLE?? Should I > > > start > > > > > > giving garlic supplement, I'm not exactly sure what garlic > treats. I > > > > > just > > > > > > know that some people give it. Thanks, Haleh. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, I would switch to OLE and ease up on all yeast > treatment > > > > > including > > > > > > > Nystatin, and GSE but call his DAN and consult with him first > if > > > you > > > > > can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hate to give you an advice that may not work for your child. > > > > > However, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > want to share with you that this happened to me very recently > when > > > I > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > Keyon's yeast with Candex. He got two days of formed poop and > then > > > it > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > mushy but also acidic (chemically) smelling. I posted here and > my > > > > > > > suspicion > > > > > > > seem to be right as others wrote me that chemically smelling > mushy > > > or > > > > > > > runny > > > > > > > poop can mean bad bacteria. I started Biocidin for this a few > days > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > then stopped all yeast treatments including probiotics and > tonight > > > > > after > > > > > I > > > > > > > came back from work, my husband told me that Keyon and him had > a > > > great > > > > > > > day, > > > > > > > his appetite was back and he had his first almost formed bm in > a > > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > weeks. Too early yet to celebrate but I am continuing with > > > Biocidin > > > > > and > > > > > if > > > > > > > this continue then I will add back a small dose of probiotic > and > > > go > > > > > from > > > > > > > there. I am learning that since Keyon has both yeast and > bacteria > > > > > issues, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > gut treatment is really delicate. It is so frustrating and > tough > > > but > > > > > hang > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > Here are the list of my son's symptoms: > > > > > > > When yeast is a problem: > > > > > > > Hungry with big appetite, giggly, stimmy and sometime walks > and > > > acts > > > > > like > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > drunk. > > > > > > > Viral: > > > > > > > Fussy, unhappy. OCD, OCD and then some more OCD. > > > > > > > Bad bacteria: > > > > > > > Reduced appetite, less loving, plays rough, demanding, > inflexible > > > and > > > > > > > oppositional. > > > > > > > I think OLE definitely will help with bacterial and viral > better > > > and > > > > > GSE > > > > > > > always causes bigger problem for my son by increasing bad > bacteria > > > > > when > > > > > it > > > > > > > kills yeast. > > > > > > > By the way,how did your DAN decided that had yeast, did > he do > > > run > > > > > > > tests? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His tongue looks fairly normal. What do I do now? I'm > thinking > > > OLE, > > > > > what > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > you think?? > > > > > > > > Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > No one can tell you this for sure except a doctor who has > ran > > > a > > > > > lab > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > this is a possibility: > > > > > > > > > Your son have had and will continue to have yeast issues > but > > > yeast > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > always the only problem for autistic children. Most of our > > > kids > > > > > suffer > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > all kinds of pathogens. The problem could be now viral > and/or > > > > > > > bacterial. > > > > > > > > > TOO > > > > > > > > > MUCH YEAST KILLING CAN CAUSE BAD BACTERIA OVER GROWTH > WHICH > > > ALSO > > > > > CAN > > > > > > > CAUSE > > > > > > > > > SLEEP AND POOP PROBLEMS. My son has sleep issues with > viral > > > > > infections > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > well. His yeast poop is mushy but runny poop for him is > always > > > > > viral. > > > > > > > > > Currently we have viral and bacterial both. > > > > > > > > > Look at your sons toungue. Yeast usually causes a whitish > film > > > on > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > tongue > > > > > > > > > and if it is not yeast, chances are that GSE and Nystatin > can > > > make > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > worse. > > > > > > > > > Haleh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kennetheriklucy <eislerfamily@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell me why we had about 3 days of > > > solid > > > > > poop > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sleeping good, to last night we had another typical 4 > hour > > > > > sleep, > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > just finished changing a diaper full of basically > liquid?? > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts?? He's just finished his fourth week on > > > Nystain. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. Amber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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