Re: Body slamming and mild hyperactivity

[Guest guest]

P.S. Forgot to say we are also still GFCF. We have suspicions of

celiac and are having that tested in a couple of weeks.

>

> > (PDD-NOS, 4 yo)has been on Brainchild II Pak since Jan. It

> made a big

> difference with eye contact and mood. In March we added Houston's

> AFP and Zyme Prime and had the wonderful " happy child effect " and

> some of his OCD stuff went away, but not as much of a change with

> bms (always had constipation probs) as hoped. So in April we went

> to a gastro who noted 's colon had stretched. We are now

doing

> a combination of natural laxatives along with aba " potty sits " at

> specific times and he is finally having daily bm's for the first

> time in a year.

>

> Now, just in the last two weeks (coinciding with the bm success),

we

> have noticed hyperactivity and a tendancy to " body slam " us. >

> As for the hyper behavior, I know he can't control that, I think

it

> is organic. Any ideas? I wondered if he needs a lower Brainchild

> dosage now that his digestive system is working better. Or maybe

a

> milder formulation? Or does it have something to do with the

> Houston's? Maybe I'm giving him too much now, again, that his

> system is processing better.

>

> Another observation, I did have the impression when we started the

> HNI, that it enhanced the good things about the Brainchild. But

> now, it's almost like too much of a good thing?

>

> I plan to call both companies tomorrow, but wondered about your

> thoughts.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son also has trouble with these issues. Can anyone reccomend

good supplements for sensory difficulties? So many other things

have dramatically improved since we started Enzymes in February -

fine motor improved, communication tripled, social skilss, play

skills. But our biggest struggle right now is in sensory problems

(banging his body, hyper, not able to sit still, gross motor) and

behaviors(repetetive speech, odd speech, giggling, spitting, and

poking)

I think it may be yeast-related, though we tried a course of

Nystatin a few months ago and really didnt notice a big difference.

Please help with any suggestions. all are greatly appreciated. We

will start PT and Sensory Integration this summer but I am really

wanting to get closer to an underyling problem.

> >

> > > (PDD-NOS, 4 yo)has been on Brainchild II Pak since Jan.

It

> > made a big

> > difference with eye contact and mood. In March we added

Houston's

> > AFP and Zyme Prime and had the wonderful " happy child effect "

and

> > some of his OCD stuff went away, but not as much of a change

with

> > bms (always had constipation probs) as hoped. So in April we

went

> > to a gastro who noted 's colon had stretched. We are now

> doing

> > a combination of natural laxatives along with aba " potty sits "

at

> > specific times and he is finally having daily bm's for the first

> > time in a year.

> >

> > Now, just in the last two weeks (coinciding with the bm

success),

> we

> > have noticed hyperactivity and a tendancy to " body slam " us. >

> > As for the hyper behavior, I know he can't control that, I think

> it

> > is organic. Any ideas? I wondered if he needs a lower

Brainchild

> > dosage now that his digestive system is working better. Or

maybe

> a

> > milder formulation? Or does it have something to do with the

> > Houston's? Maybe I'm giving him too much now, again, that his

> > system is processing better.

> >

> > Another observation, I did have the impression when we started

the

> > HNI, that it enhanced the good things about the Brainchild. But

> > now, it's almost like too much of a good thing?

> >

> > I plan to call both companies tomorrow, but wondered about your

> > thoughts.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Now, just in the last two weeks (coinciding with the bm success), we

> have noticed hyperactivity and a tendancy to " body slam " us.

This sounds like the opposite result, but I have read that description

from several parents, and it meant their child was impacted.

It can also mean yeast overgrowth.

> As for the hyper behavior, I know he can't control that, I think it

> is organic. Any ideas? I wondered if he needs a lower Brainchild

> dosage now that his digestive system is working better. Or maybe a

> milder formulation? Or does it have something to do with the

> Houston's? Maybe I'm giving him too much now, again, that his

> system is processing better.

Try the HNI enzymes without papain/bromelain.

You might need to lower the dose of the Brainchild.

> Another observation, I did have the impression when we started the

> HNI, that it enhanced the good things about the Brainchild. But

> now, it's almost like too much of a good thing?

Yes, which is why you might try lowering the dose now.

Dana

[Guest guest]

My kids sensory issues (which include versions of both these issues)

are always due to yeast. If you are doing the traditional GFCF,

that was very high in simple starches and sugar for my kids - we

actually are CF and 2 of us are GF, but I am more careful about what

I use to replace those foods. Sweetened rice milks, legume flours

and anything with actual sugar will send my son running himself into

walls, and up til at least 1:00 am.

My son takes Nystatin because on his OAT, it is actually tartaric

acid that's elevated. It doesn't kill all strains of yeast though.

Other options include GSE (not if you're on SSRI's though), oil of

oregano, caprylic acid and for prescriptions, diflucan. There are

excellent yeast links on Dana's site.

We just started using Three Lac which is the first probiotic that

we've tolerated here, and it seems to be doing amazing things,

compared to straight antifungals ......although it's been almost 8

years since my son was born with full head to toe yeast/thrush and

it's still a daily battle with his sensory behaviors going up and

down at the slightest piece of fruit, or other yeast feeding

infraction. I'm thinking over his 5 week break this summer of doing

an almost no carb thing, to see if I can once and for all make a

dent in some of this.

Amy

> > >

> > > > (PDD-NOS, 4 yo)has been on Brainchild II Pak since

Jan.

> It

> > > made a big

> > > difference with eye contact and mood. In March we added

> Houston's

> > > AFP and Zyme Prime and had the wonderful " happy child effect "

> and

> > > some of his OCD stuff went away, but not as much of a change

> with

> > > bms (always had constipation probs) as hoped. So in April we

> went

> > > to a gastro who noted 's colon had stretched. We are now

> > doing

> > > a combination of natural laxatives along with aba " potty sits "

> at

> > > specific times and he is finally having daily bm's for the

first

> > > time in a year.

> > >

> > > Now, just in the last two weeks (coinciding with the bm

> success),

> > we

> > > have noticed hyperactivity and a tendancy to " body slam " us. >

> > > As for the hyper behavior, I know he can't control that, I

think

> > it

> > > is organic. Any ideas? I wondered if he needs a lower

> Brainchild

> > > dosage now that his digestive system is working better. Or

> maybe

> > a

> > > milder formulation? Or does it have something to do with the

> > > Houston's? Maybe I'm giving him too much now, again, that his

> > > system is processing better.

> > >

> > > Another observation, I did have the impression when we started

> the

> > > HNI, that it enhanced the good things about the Brainchild.

But

> > > now, it's almost like too much of a good thing?

> > >

> > > I plan to call both companies tomorrow, but wondered about

your

> > > thoughts.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy, and Thanks Dana too.

Maybe it is yeast. But he doesn't have any other symptoms, no rash,

no thrush. BM's look fine. I was wondering about chlorine and

swimming. I saw another post about chlorine increasing yeast and we

did just start back to the pool at about the time this started.

I also saw that giggling is a yeast thing and this body slamming is

accompanied by a lot of silliness and giggling. Which made me think

it is just a behavior thing, but maybe yeast?

I also wondered about phenol. That was a culprit with head banging

in the past. But he is not aggressive now, just sensory seeking and

silly. He doesn't take No Phenol, but he doesn't have too much that

would be phenolic (don't know if that is the right word) maybe the

occasional banana. When we had trouble before, he was on a banana

kick and ate them all the time. We're already pretty high protein,

low carb.

Also, Dana, he already is on the AFP and Zyme Prime, so I don't

think it's the papin etc.

I will lower the brainchild, just to see about the hyperactivity.

But could he have yeast trouble with no other symptoms?

Thanks for all you input! I'm sure we'll figure this out. I need

to go back to taking notes on everything and charting again, I guess.

-------------------------------------

My kids sensory issues (which include versions of both these issues)

are always due to yeast. If you are doing the traditional GFCF,

that was very high in simple starches and sugar for my kids - we

actually are CF and 2 of us are GF, but I am more careful about what

I use to replace those foods. Sweetened rice milks, legume flours

and anything with actual sugar will send my son running himself into

walls, and up til at least 1:00 am.

My son takes Nystatin because on his OAT, it is actually tartaric

acid that's elevated. It doesn't kill all strains of yeast though.

Other options include GSE (not if you're on SSRI's though), oil of

oregano, caprylic acid and for prescriptions, diflucan. There are

excellent yeast links on Dana's site.

We just started using Three Lac which is the first probiotic that

we've tolerated here, and it seems to be doing amazing things,

compared to straight antifungals ......although it's been almost 8

years since my son was born with full head to toe yeast/thrush and

it's still a daily battle with his sensory behaviors going up and

down at the slightest piece of fruit, or other yeast feeding

infraction. I'm thinking over his 5 week break this summer of doing

an almost no carb thing, to see if I can once and for all make a

dent in some of this.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy, and Thanks Dana too.

Maybe it is yeast. But he doesn't have any other symptoms, no rash,

no thrush. BM's look fine. I was wondering about chlorine and

swimming. I saw another post about chlorine increasing yeast and we

did just start back to the pool at about the time this started.

I also saw that giggling is a yeast thing and this body slamming is

accompanied by a lot of silliness and giggling. Which made me think

it is just a behavior thing, but maybe yeast?

I also wondered about phenol. That was a culprit with head banging

in the past. But he is not aggressive now, just sensory seeking and

silly. He doesn't take No Phenol, but he doesn't have too much that

would be phenolic (don't know if that is the right word) maybe the

occasional banana. When we had trouble before, he was on a banana

kick and ate them all the time. We're already pretty high protein,

low carb.

Also, Dana, he already is on the AFP and Zyme Prime, so I don't

think it's the papin etc.

I will lower the brainchild, just to see about the hyperactivity.

But could he have yeast trouble with no other symptoms?

Thanks for all you input! I'm sure we'll figure this out. I need

to go back to taking notes on everything and charting again, I guess.

-------------------------------------

My kids sensory issues (which include versions of both these issues)

are always due to yeast. If you are doing the traditional GFCF,

that was very high in simple starches and sugar for my kids - we

actually are CF and 2 of us are GF, but I am more careful about what

I use to replace those foods. Sweetened rice milks, legume flours

and anything with actual sugar will send my son running himself into

walls, and up til at least 1:00 am.

My son takes Nystatin because on his OAT, it is actually tartaric

acid that's elevated. It doesn't kill all strains of yeast though.

Other options include GSE (not if you're on SSRI's though), oil of

oregano, caprylic acid and for prescriptions, diflucan. There are

excellent yeast links on Dana's site.

We just started using Three Lac which is the first probiotic that

we've tolerated here, and it seems to be doing amazing things,

compared to straight antifungals ......although it's been almost 8

years since my son was born with full head to toe yeast/thrush and

it's still a daily battle with his sensory behaviors going up and

down at the slightest piece of fruit, or other yeast feeding

infraction. I'm thinking over his 5 week break this summer of doing

an almost no carb thing, to see if I can once and for all make a

dent in some of this.

Amy

[Guest guest]

My son only had rash/thrush when he was nursing. Since then his only

symptoms have been behavioral. So it's possible. Yeast accounts for

almost all his behaviors at this point, and mainly includes sensory,

primarily auditory and visual aversions/stims, growling/verbal stims,

insomnia, and silliness.

Amy

> Maybe it is yeast. But he doesn't have any other symptoms, no rash,

> no thrush. BM's look fine.

[Guest guest]

> Maybe it is yeast. But he doesn't have any other symptoms, no rash,

> no thrush. BM's look fine.

There was a turning point in my son's recovery when yeast stopped

producing physical symptoms and started producing only behavioral

" brain " symptoms.

>>I was wondering about chlorine and

> swimming. I saw another post about chlorine increasing yeast and we

> did just start back to the pool at about the time this started.

Info here

http://www.danasview.net/chlorine.htm

> But could he have yeast trouble with no other symptoms?

Yes

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your reply. May I ask, what are SSRI's?

> My kids sensory issues (which include versions of both these

issues)

> are always due to yeast. If you are doing the traditional GFCF,

> that was very high in simple starches and sugar for my kids - we

> actually are CF and 2 of us are GF, but I am more careful about

what

> I use to replace those foods. Sweetened rice milks, legume flours

> and anything with actual sugar will send my son running himself

into

> walls, and up til at least 1:00 am.

>

> My son takes Nystatin because on his OAT, it is actually tartaric

> acid that's elevated. It doesn't kill all strains of yeast

though.

> Other options include GSE (not if you're on SSRI's though), oil of

> oregano, caprylic acid and for prescriptions, diflucan. There are

> excellent yeast links on Dana's site.

>

> We just started using Three Lac which is the first probiotic that

> we've tolerated here, and it seems to be doing amazing things,

> compared to straight antifungals ......although it's been almost 8

> years since my son was born with full head to toe yeast/thrush and

> it's still a daily battle with his sensory behaviors going up and

> down at the slightest piece of fruit, or other yeast feeding

> infraction. I'm thinking over his 5 week break this summer of

doing

> an almost no carb thing, to see if I can once and for all make a

> dent in some of this.

>

> Amy

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > (PDD-NOS, 4 yo)has been on Brainchild II Pak since

> Jan.

> > It

> > > > made a big

> > > > difference with eye contact and mood. In March we added

> > Houston's

> > > > AFP and Zyme Prime and had the wonderful " happy child

effect "

> > and

> > > > some of his OCD stuff went away, but not as much of a change

> > with

> > > > bms (always had constipation probs) as hoped. So in April

we

> > went

> > > > to a gastro who noted 's colon had stretched. We are

now

> > > doing

> > > > a combination of natural laxatives along with aba " potty

sits "

> > at

> > > > specific times and he is finally having daily bm's for the

> first

> > > > time in a year.

> > > >

> > > > Now, just in the last two weeks (coinciding with the bm

> > success),

> > > we

> > > > have noticed hyperactivity and a tendancy to " body slam " us.

>

> > > > As for the hyper behavior, I know he can't control that, I

> think

> > > it

> > > > is organic. Any ideas? I wondered if he needs a lower

> > Brainchild

> > > > dosage now that his digestive system is working better. Or

> > maybe

> > > a

> > > > milder formulation? Or does it have something to do with

the

> > > > Houston's? Maybe I'm giving him too much now, again, that

his

> > > > system is processing better.

> > > >

> > > > Another observation, I did have the impression when we

started

> > the

> > > > HNI, that it enhanced the good things about the Brainchild.

> But

> > > > now, it's almost like too much of a good thing?

> > > >

> > > > I plan to call both companies tomorrow, but wondered about

> your

> > > > thoughts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A type of medication - selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. GSE

can block its absorption.

Amy

> > > > >

> > > > > > (PDD-NOS, 4 yo)has been on Brainchild II Pak since

> > Jan.

> > > It

> > > > > made a big

> > > > > difference with eye contact and mood. In March we added

> > > Houston's

> > > > > AFP and Zyme Prime and had the wonderful " happy child

> effect "

> > > and

> > > > > some of his OCD stuff went away, but not as much of a

change

> > > with

> > > > > bms (always had constipation probs) as hoped. So in April

> we

> > > went

> > > > > to a gastro who noted 's colon had stretched. We are

> now

> > > > doing

> > > > > a combination of natural laxatives along with aba " potty

> sits "

> > > at

> > > > > specific times and he is finally having daily bm's for the

> > first

> > > > > time in a year.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, just in the last two weeks (coinciding with the bm

> > > success),

> > > > we

> > > > > have noticed hyperactivity and a tendancy to " body slam "

us.

> >

> > > > > As for the hyper behavior, I know he can't control that, I

> > think

> > > > it

> > > > > is organic. Any ideas? I wondered if he needs a lower

> > > Brainchild

> > > > > dosage now that his digestive system is working better.

Or

> > > maybe

> > > > a

> > > > > milder formulation? Or does it have something to do with

> the

> > > > > Houston's? Maybe I'm giving him too much now, again, that

> his

> > > > > system is processing better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another observation, I did have the impression when we

> started

> > > the

> > > > > HNI, that it enhanced the good things about the

Brainchild.

> > But

> > > > > now, it's almost like too much of a good thing?

> > > > >

> > > > > I plan to call both companies tomorrow, but wondered about

> > your

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>