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> can someone remind me how or why their child was calcium toxic and

what they did about it

My son was calcium toxic because he drank a lot of milk when he was

younger. I used IP6 to remove the calcium excess.

Dana

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>> can someone remind me how or why their child was calcium toxic and

>what they did about it

>

>

>My son was calcium toxic because he drank a lot of milk when he was

>younger. I used IP6 to remove the calcium excess.

>

>Dana

Hi Dana,

I would guess that your son became calcium toxic not from drinking too much

milk, but rather due to some metabolic impairment in calcium regulation,

absorption or utilization. Of course, years ago, toxic vit. D2 was added to

milk and babies were getting sick, so the industry quietly removed the D2

from milk. This happened in England, IIRC, but am not sure if the US milk

industry did this as well.

The healthy primitive groups that Weston Price studied less than a century

ago consumed on average *4* times the calcium than did Americans of his day

and *10* times the fat-soluble vitamins A and D. I also know of many people

who consume milk as one of their staples, but none have any sign of calcium

toxicity. I think it's an extremely rare phenomenon, and probably only

happens in individuals with some metabolic issue as mentioned above. With an

autistic child, my best guess would be that poor gut health has somehow

affected his gut's ability to regulate calcium absorption.

Also, of course, babies are *supposed* to drink milk as their only food for

many months, so we have a built-in system of calcium regulation even when

drinking ONLY milk.

I'm posting this mainly so that others won't be afraid of milk, although

there's plenty to be afraid of in regards to pastuerized, homogenized

factory farm milk, aka, supermarket milk. But milk *per se* is not dangerous

and in the right form - raw, from healthy pasture-fed animals - can be

extremely health building (if one's not allergic to it, of course).

FWIW.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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We had very high calcium levels in our last labs and very low magnesium..... and

we are now doing espon salt cream for one guy and epson salt baths for the

other.

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> >-----Original Message-----

> >From:

> >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of danasview

>

> >

> >

> >

> >> can someone remind me how or why their child was calcium toxic and

> >what they did about it

> >

> >

> >My son was calcium toxic because he drank a lot of milk when he was

> >younger. I used IP6 to remove the calcium excess.

> >

> >Dana

>

> Hi Dana,

>

> I would guess that your son became calcium toxic not from drinking too much

> milk, but rather due to some metabolic impairment in calcium regulation,

> absorption or utilization. Of course, years ago, toxic vit. D2 was added to

> milk and babies were getting sick, so the industry quietly removed the D2

> from milk. This happened in England, IIRC, but am not sure if the US milk

> industry did this as well.

>

> The healthy primitive groups that Weston Price studied less than a century

> ago consumed on average *4* times the calcium than did Americans of his day

> and *10* times the fat-soluble vitamins A and D. I also know of many people

> who consume milk as one of their staples, but none have any sign of calcium

> toxicity. I think it's an extremely rare phenomenon, and probably only

> happens in individuals with some metabolic issue as mentioned above. With an

> autistic child, my best guess would be that poor gut health has somehow

> affected his gut's ability to regulate calcium absorption.

>

> Also, of course, babies are *supposed* to drink milk as their only food for

> many months, so we have a built-in system of calcium regulation even when

> drinking ONLY milk.

>

> I'm posting this mainly so that others won't be afraid of milk, although

> there's plenty to be afraid of in regards to pastuerized, homogenized

> factory farm milk, aka, supermarket milk. But milk *per se* is not dangerous

> and in the right form - raw, from healthy pasture-fed animals - can be

> extremely health building (if one's not allergic to it, of course).

>

> FWIW.

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

>

> ----------------------------

>

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Hi Dana,

>

> I would guess that your son became calcium toxic not from drinking

too much

> milk, but rather due to some metabolic impairment in calcium

regulation,

> absorption or utilization.

Actually, it is both. He did drink a LOT of milk, and he did have

some other issues with absorption and utilization that I have since

addressed.

Dana

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My daughter tends on calcium toxicity. Though I don't think it's

quite as simple as having too much calcium, but too much glutamate

and a lack of magnesium to regulate the calcium ion channels:

" the failure of mitochondrial ATP synthesis

causes neurons to depolarize and fire action potentials, leading to

the quantal release of presynaptic glutamate. "

" Excess glutamate causes excessive influx of calcium ions into the

neurons, causing excitotoxicity and ultimately even death of the

neurons. It also destroys glutathione, a crucial brain-protective

antioxidant. Low levels of brain glutathione are associated with

neurodegenerative disorders. Glutathione depletion further leads to

neuronal death.

Under what conditions do we see excess levels of glutamate at the

synapses? Not surprisingly, we see evidence of damage associated

with excess glutamate in Alzheimer's disease patients, AIDS patients

(the AIDS virus inhibits glutamate uptake by the glia), cancer

patients (according to one hypothesis, cancer basically starts with

brain dysfunction), and in those who have suffered a severe brain

injury. Very high fever or artificially induced hyperthermia can

also result in excess glutamate release, leading to seizures. "

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html

Many ASD kids are glutamate toxic, which in turn, I believe forces

the calcium ion channels to stay open (though that may not be the

exact way to put it). Whatever is causing the release of glutamates

(the failure of ATP synthesis?)is causing the calcium toxicity.

Some on another board discussed PH balance causing the issues with

ATP.

Glutamines are essential to balance,helps you determine where

your body parts are in time and space, muscle tone, can be converted

to glucose, intestinal health, ph balance, detoxing ammonia, and

more. Everything sounds so familiar.

Yet, the brain is glutamate toxic, so more glutamines are definitely

not the answer and neither is more calcium (in these cases). So, in

this way, one could be considered calcium toxic, or maybe even

glutamate toxic? Glutamines can cross the blood brain barrier,

specifically through the hypothalamus, which is believed to be

impaired in autism. Perhaps so much of glutamines are going to the

excessively to one place more than usual and not being used as well

for it's many other purposes?

Mindy

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> hi

>

> can someone remind me how or why their child was calcium toxic and

what they did about it

>

> thanks

>

> emma

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I agree Mindy, I posted before I read your post. Would have saved me some

time...

Re: calcium toxicity

My daughter tends on calcium toxicity. Though I don't think it's

quite as simple as having too much calcium, but too much glutamate

and a lack of magnesium to regulate the calcium ion channels:

" the failure of mitochondrial ATP synthesis

causes neurons to depolarize and fire action potentials, leading to

the quantal release of presynaptic glutamate. "

" Excess glutamate causes excessive influx of calcium ions into the

neurons, causing excitotoxicity and ultimately even death of the

neurons. It also destroys glutathione, a crucial brain-protective

antioxidant. Low levels of brain glutathione are associated with

neurodegenerative disorders. Glutathione depletion further leads to

neuronal death.

Under what conditions do we see excess levels of glutamate at the

synapses? Not surprisingly, we see evidence of damage associated

with excess glutamate in Alzheimer's disease patients, AIDS patients

(the AIDS virus inhibits glutamate uptake by the glia), cancer

patients (according to one hypothesis, cancer basically starts with

brain dysfunction), and in those who have suffered a severe brain

injury. Very high fever or artificially induced hyperthermia can

also result in excess glutamate release, leading to seizures. "

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/sep99-report3.html

Many ASD kids are glutamate toxic, which in turn, I believe forces

the calcium ion channels to stay open (though that may not be the

exact way to put it). Whatever is causing the release of glutamates

(the failure of ATP synthesis?)is causing the calcium toxicity.

Some on another board discussed PH balance causing the issues with

ATP.

Glutamines are essential to balance,helps you determine where

your body parts are in time and space, muscle tone, can be converted

to glucose, intestinal health, ph balance, detoxing ammonia, and

more. Everything sounds so familiar.

Yet, the brain is glutamate toxic, so more glutamines are definitely

not the answer and neither is more calcium (in these cases). So, in

this way, one could be considered calcium toxic, or maybe even

glutamate toxic? Glutamines can cross the blood brain barrier,

specifically through the hypothalamus, which is believed to be

impaired in autism. Perhaps so much of glutamines are going to the

excessively to one place more than usual and not being used as well

for it's many other purposes?

Mindy

>

> hi

>

> can someone remind me how or why their child was calcium toxic and

what they did about it

>

> thanks

>

> emma

>

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> I just my daughters blood work back, she is on the highest band of calcium

10.8 MG/DL. And this is the value when she is not on any calcium supplement or

milk or any other milk products.

My son was calcium [and iron] toxic. I used IP6 to eliminate the toxicity, and

then supplemented with the nutrients that calcium requires for proper

absorption, which for my son was magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine.

Dana

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Hi Dana,

 

How you found that your son needed vitamine K and lysine? Was lysine for Herpes

infection? And how much of K you gave daily?

Thanks a lot in advance for your reply!

Best regards,

Asem

 

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Calcium Toxicity

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 9:22 AM

 

> I just my daughters blood work back, she is on the highest band of calcium

10.8 MG/DL. And this is the value when she is not on any calcium supplement or

milk or any other milk products.

My son was calcium [and iron] toxic. I used IP6 to eliminate the toxicity, and

then supplemented with the nutrients that calcium requires for proper

absorption, which for my son was magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine.

Dana

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My son appears to be calcium toxic too. He was very vitamin D deficient, as was

I and I took lots of calcium while pregnant with him b/c I was on lovenox and

drs recommend supplementing calcium.

Can you tell me how you dosed IP6?. Every day, 3xs? Can I give with ALA? How

long did it take to get calcium down? How did you know when you were done?

Thanks.

Caryn

> > I just my daughters blood work back, she is on the highest band of calcium

10.8 MG/DL. And this is the value when she is not on any calcium supplement or

milk or any other milk products.

>

>

> My son was calcium [and iron] toxic. I used IP6 to eliminate the toxicity,

and then supplemented with the nutrients that calcium requires for proper

absorption, which for my son was magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and lysine.

>

> Dana

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> How you found that your son needed vitamine K and lysine?

I researched vitamin K and learned that it was helpful for both calcium

absorption and also fat absorption. And, when I added it, it helped with both

of those issues.

>>Was lysine for Herpes infection?

Yes, also for calcium absorption, but mostly for herpes.

>>And how much of K you gave daily?

I don't remember, something like 200mcg?

Dana

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> Can you tell me how you dosed IP6?. Every day, 3xs?

I started with one-half capsule per day, which I think was 400mg [not sure].

Then I increased. I think the most I gave was 4 capsules 3x per day.

>>Can I give with ALA?

I don't know.

>>How long did it take to get calcium down?

It started coming down with each dose. In fact, at some point I felt myself

getting another kidney stone so I took some myself, and I felt the stone

leaving. Good stuff LOL

I think my son needed it for about 6 months.

>>How did you know when you were done?

Every time I gave him his dose, he improved. Then one day, of course it was

when we were out at an event, I gave him his mid-day dose and he became the

nightmare monster from hell. When I got home, I gave him a dose of a

multi-mineral supp, which was VERY helpful. One more dose of the multi mineral

the following day ended that nightmare LOL

Dana

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Thanks for detailed answer, Dana!

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Calcium Toxicity

Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 10:00 AM

 

> How you found that your son needed vitamine K and lysine?

I researched vitamin K and learned that it was helpful for both calcium

absorption and also fat absorption. And, when I added it, it helped with both of

those issues.

>>Was lysine for Herpes infection?

Yes, also for calcium absorption, but mostly for herpes.

>>And how much of K you gave daily?

I don't remember, something like 200mcg?

Dana

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