Re: Virastop and probitotics

May 12, 2006

>>>Just to be clear: will Virastop kill probiotics?

Not that I know of. Probiotic organisms are not common substrates

(targets) for enzymes. Any particular reason you ask?

.

May 13, 2006

Thank you . This is what I thought. I ask because someone on

another board made the comment that antifungals and VS kill

probiotics. I am trying to keep things clear. And accurate. I am

going to phone Enzymedica and speak to them as well, just in case

there are any subtleties we should be aware of. Along similar

lines, just as an OLE FYI, apparently there are some few probiotic

products like Primal Defense (with soil-based organisms) that

shouldn't be used with OLE. I found that interesting, in that the

olive tree would have to protect itself against soil-based organisms.

And while we're talking VS. My son is now at 36 VS day. When you

finally do get our viral protocol update, you may have to read it in

chapters. The poor kid is so brave that it makes me cry to type

this.

Anita

>

> >>>Just to be clear: will Virastop kill probiotics?

>

> Not that I know of. Probiotic organisms are not common substrates

> (targets) for enzymes. Any particular reason you ask?

>

> .

>

May 14, 2006

> And while we're talking VS. My son is now at 36 VS day. When you

> finally do get our viral protocol update, you may have to read it in

> chapters. The poor kid is so brave that it makes me cry to type

> this.

For a short time, I had my son on 30 VS per day, plus OLE.

About two weeks ago, my son's OCD returned, so I thought I had to

increase the VS/OLE, but that made it worse, even with an increased

yeast protocol. So last week I removed the OLE and reduced the VS

down to 2 capsules per day, which still caused issues. Two days ago I

removed the VS, and my son is doing very nicely!

It was 8 months of anti-virals this time [12 months last time].

Hopefully this will be the last time! I have not watched any viruses

go back into his brain so far, so I am hopeful.

How is your son doing on the 36 VS per day?

Dana

May 14, 2006

> And while we're talking VS. My son is now at 36 VS day. When you

> finally do get our viral protocol update, you may have to read it in

> chapters. The poor kid is so brave that it makes me cry to type

> this.

>

> Anita

Anita,

I'm looking forward to reading your update. My ds is up to 24 now.

We increased rapidly from 18 to 24 without any viral signs. I'm

wondering at these high doses how frequently and to what degree you

are increasing and what your seeing for a reaction. We are getting

anxious to be done with this. Ds is such a trooper but he is getting

sick of all the pills. I want to be sure we are really done though

before tappering down.

May 14, 2006

>

> About two weeks ago, my son's OCD returned, so I thought I had to

> increase the VS/OLE, but that made it worse, even with an increased

> yeast protocol. So last week I removed the OLE and reduced the VS

> down to 2 capsules per day, which still caused issues. Two days ago I

> removed the VS, and my son is doing very nicely!

>

> It was 8 months of anti-virals this time [12 months last time].

> Hopefully this will be the last time! I have not watched any viruses

> go back into his brain so far, so I am hopeful.

>

Dana this is such great news! Keep us posted!

Sheresa

>

May 15, 2006

> > About two weeks ago, my son's OCD returned, so I thought I had to

> > increase the VS/OLE, but that made it worse, even with an increased

> > yeast protocol. So last week I removed the OLE and reduced the VS

> > down to 2 capsules per day, which still caused issues. Two days ago I

> > removed the VS, and my son is doing very nicely!

> >

> > It was 8 months of anti-virals this time [12 months last time].

> > Hopefully this will be the last time! I have not watched any viruses

> > go back into his brain so far, so I am hopeful.

> >

>

> Dana this is such great news! Keep us posted!

I tried to add back low doses of B vitamins and flax oil, but that did

not go well.

It does appear that both #2 and #3 are still okay with daily

probiotics, and #2 still needs his mixed carotenoid supplement.

So I am down to two supplements for #2, and one for #3.

Dana

May 15, 2006

>

> For a short time, I had my son on 30 VS per day, plus OLE.

>

> About two weeks ago, my son's OCD returned, so I thought I had to

> increase the VS/OLE, but that made it worse, even with an increased

> yeast protocol. So last week I removed the OLE and reduced the VS

> down to 2 capsules per day, which still caused issues. Two days

ago I

> removed the VS, and my son is doing very nicely!

That is great news Dana. I also read about removing all the supps--

wooohooo! Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys on this :-)

I have been removing other supps (there isn't enough room in the

poor child for all of thm) and we haven't seen any decline at all--

I'm not sure what this means yet. I'm starting to have pretty grave

concerns that nothing is getting absorbed by him, including all the

masses of B vitamins I put in him. I'm hoping that the protocol

might help take care of this problem.

>

> It was 8 months of anti-virals this time [12 months last time].

> Hopefully this will be the last time! I have not watched any

viruses

> go back into his brain so far, so I am hopeful.

>

> How is your son doing on the 36 VS per day?

He has a huge viral rash on his neck from going up to 36 a day. It

is still there today, but obviously smaller. He also has what

resembles cold sores but never really come out all around his

mouth. It's heartbreaking to look at. Tomorrow I'll be going up to

39. We've not seen any big improvements in him, at least none that

stick. A few instances of eye contact that was heart-stopping, but

then gone again. He has started eating more food, and even some

food that would have made him gag a few months ago. I've been able

to get some grass-fed, organic meat into him and unpasteurized

cheese and this makes me enormously happy.

If this last 8 months I'll need to start begging on the street for

VS. I am *hopeful* that we'll be done the roughest part by the

beginning of June.

Thanks for you help Dana.

Anita

>

> Dana

>

May 15, 2006

,

Now we're increasing at 3 VS each time. I don't want to increase

the Lauricidin because he is at the full adult dose. The last time

we went up from 33 to 36 he had a very big reaction. The biggest

one yet of this protocol. My plan is to make increases as long as I

see changes, and if I've increased twice without a response, to add

one last blast of high dose OLE (I can't use it for more than a few

days as it constipates my son).

Are you using something else besides VS? If not, you might want to

consider adding OLE or another antiviral that works in a different

way than VS. From what I've read, attacking the viruses in as many

ways as possible is most effective. This is what I've seen too.

I know what you mean about anxious to be done with this. UGH!

Anita

>

> > And while we're talking VS. My son is now at 36 VS day. When

you

> > finally do get our viral protocol update, you may have to read

it in

> > chapters. The poor kid is so brave that it makes me cry to type

> > this.

> >

> > Anita

>

> Anita,

>

> I'm looking forward to reading your update. My ds is up to 24

now.

> We increased rapidly from 18 to 24 without any viral signs. I'm

> wondering at these high doses how frequently and to what degree

you

> are increasing and what your seeing for a reaction. We are

getting

> anxious to be done with this. Ds is such a trooper but he is

getting

> sick of all the pills. I want to be sure we are really done

though

> before tappering down.

>

May 15, 2006

> ,

>

> Now we're increasing at 3 VS each time. I don't want to increase

> the Lauricidin because he is at the full adult dose. The last

time

> we went up from 33 to 36 he had a very big reaction. The biggest

> one yet of this protocol. My plan is to make increases as long as

I

> see changes, and if I've increased twice without a response, to

add

> one last blast of high dose OLE (I can't use it for more than a

few

> days as it constipates my son).

>

> Are you using something else besides VS? If not, you might want

to

> consider adding OLE or another antiviral that works in a different

> way than VS. From what I've read, attacking the viruses in as

many

> ways as possible is most effective. This is what I've seen too.

>

> I know what you mean about anxious to be done with this. UGH!

>

> Anita

>

Thanks for you quick response, Anita. We are using OLE every day.

I periodically switch the OLE out for echinacea/goldenseal or

Astragalus. I occasionally give tumeric as well. He is sick today

but I'm not convinced its a reaction to the antivirals. Its been 3

days since going up to 24. And we've been passing around a virus.

My neice was here saturday and she's sick today too. He says his

stomach is really burning which makes me hesitate to give him the VS

and OLE at all as I know they are hard on the stomach. I think

instead of giving him the VS divided into 3 doses like we usually do

I'm going to divide them into 6 doses today. Hopefully that'll be

easier on his upset stomach.

We've never used lauricidin. Do you feel it addresses

different viruses than the VS and OLE? Where do you get it?

May 15, 2006

How many bottles of virastop are you guys going through?