Re: disapointed...>>I will be interested in reading parents' feedback on your Q

[Guest guest]

Since I guess we too had no great things, not really even good, from enzymes,

use in past. I was disappointed too but lucky to not have any real overactive

bahav as result.

cecilia76@... wrote: My daughter is on the GFCF diet, and I started enzymes

like 4 weeks ago, I started slowly and now she is taking No fenol, zyme prime,

and AFP petizide. with two meals a day.

I just added probiotics (houston) and 2 days ago I tried giving her Mountain

High Yogurt (that has probiotics to see if it would be helpful).

I read karen's book and I was so excited to start, but since we started she has

been awful, very hyper, extremly stimmi (verbal, visual, etc.) all that I can

handle for a while, but the worst thing of all is that she is waking up again at

nights!!!! she waked long ago and totaly stopped but since I started enzymes she

is waking up (hyper as can be) at 2 o 3 in the morning and won't go back to

sleep at all, not every day but I haven't found a connection to anything that is

making her wake up, the only thing that comes to mind is that she didn't use to

eat a lot of sugar only from fruits and a little bit of blueberry jelly with her

peanut butter sandwich, she is taking chewables and it is so easy to give them

to her, but I'm wondering if they have a lot of sugar that could be making her

behave like this? I don't know if I should keep her on the enzymes and deal with

the side effects separately or if the side effects are supposed to go away in a

few more weeks and just be

patient? Her birthday is comming up in two weeks and I was hopping that she

could have some regular cake for once.

Sorry is so long but I've been up all night and I could stop thinking about this

and what the problem might be.

Thanks so much.

Cecilia

[Guest guest]

What else are you supplementing -- magnesium, zinc, EFAs, vitamins?

My daughter is on the GFCF diet, and I

started enzymes like 4 weeks ago, I started slowly and now she is

taking No fenol, zyme prime, and AFP petizide. with two meals a day.

> I just added probiotics (houston) and 2 days ago I tried giving

her Mountain High Yogurt (that has probiotics to see if it would be

helpful).

> I read karen's book and I was so excited to start, but since we

started she has been awful, very hyper, extremly stimmi (verbal,

visual, etc.) all that I can handle for a while, but the worst thing

of all is that she is waking up again at nights!!!! she waked long

ago and totaly stopped but since I started enzymes she is waking up

(hyper as can be) at 2 o 3 in the morning and won't go back to sleep

at all, not every day but I haven't found a connection to anything

that is making her wake up, the only thing that comes to mind is

that she didn't use to eat a lot of sugar only from fruits and a

little bit of blueberry jelly with her peanut butter sandwich, she

is taking chewables and it is so easy to give them to her, but I'm

wondering if they have a lot of sugar that could be making her

behave like this? I don't know if I should keep her on the enzymes

and deal with the side effects separately or if the side effects are

supposed to go away in a few more weeks and just be

> patient? Her birthday is comming up in two weeks and I was

hopping that she could have some regular cake for once.

> Sorry is so long but I've been up all night and I could stop

thinking about this and what the problem might be.

> Thanks so much.

> Cecilia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm giving her Zinc, vit C, a little vit A, and epsom salts baths.

Cecilia

---- mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> wrote:

> What else are you supplementing -- magnesium, zinc, EFAs, vitamins?

>

> My daughter is on the GFCF diet, and I

> started enzymes like 4 weeks ago, I started slowly and now she is

> taking No fenol, zyme prime, and AFP petizide. with two meals a day.

> > I just added probiotics (houston) and 2 days ago I tried giving

> her Mountain High Yogurt (that has probiotics to see if it would be

> helpful).

> > I read karen's book and I was so excited to start, but since we

> started she has been awful, very hyper, extremly stimmi (verbal,

> visual, etc.) all that I can handle for a while, but the worst thing

> of all is that she is waking up again at nights!!!! she waked long

> ago and totaly stopped but since I started enzymes she is waking up

> (hyper as can be) at 2 o 3 in the morning and won't go back to sleep

> at all, not every day but I haven't found a connection to anything

> that is making her wake up, the only thing that comes to mind is

> that she didn't use to eat a lot of sugar only from fruits and a

> little bit of blueberry jelly with her peanut butter sandwich, she

> is taking chewables and it is so easy to give them to her, but I'm

> wondering if they have a lot of sugar that could be making her

> behave like this? I don't know if I should keep her on the enzymes

> and deal with the side effects separately or if the side effects are

> supposed to go away in a few more weeks and just be

> > patient? Her birthday is comming up in two weeks and I was

> hopping that she could have some regular cake for once.

> > Sorry is so long but I've been up all night and I could stop

> thinking about this and what the problem might be.

> > Thanks so much.

> > Cecilia

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This could still be adjustment to the enzymes or die-off believe it

or not. It could also be intolerence to the enzymes themselves. My

dd took a good 6 weeks to adjust to the enzymes. I have also found

after about 5 months on enzymes that dd does not need as much no-

fenol and AFP and reducing those has helped with hyperness and

stimming.

My daughter is on the GFCF diet, and I

> > started enzymes like 4 weeks ago, I started slowly and now she

is

> > taking No fenol, zyme prime, and AFP petizide. with two meals a

day.

> > > I just added probiotics (houston) and 2 days ago I tried

giving

> > her Mountain High Yogurt (that has probiotics to see if it would

be

> > helpful).

> > > I read karen's book and I was so excited to start, but since

we

> > started she has been awful, very hyper, extremly stimmi (verbal,

> > visual, etc.) all that I can handle for a while, but the worst

thing

> > of all is that she is waking up again at nights!!!! she waked

long

> > ago and totaly stopped but since I started enzymes she is waking

up

> > (hyper as can be) at 2 o 3 in the morning and won't go back to

sleep

> > at all, not every day but I haven't found a connection to

anything

> > that is making her wake up, the only thing that comes to mind is

> > that she didn't use to eat a lot of sugar only from fruits and a

> > little bit of blueberry jelly with her peanut butter sandwich,

she

> > is taking chewables and it is so easy to give them to her, but

I'm

> > wondering if they have a lot of sugar that could be making her

> > behave like this? I don't know if I should keep her on the

enzymes

> > and deal with the side effects separately or if the side effects

are

> > supposed to go away in a few more weeks and just be

> > > patient? Her birthday is comming up in two weeks and I was

> > hopping that she could have some regular cake for once.

> > > Sorry is so long but I've been up all night and I could stop

> > thinking about this and what the problem might be.

> > > Thanks so much.

> > > Cecilia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It took two months on HNI enzymes before my kids could have any

sugar, dairy, peanuts, protein or wheat at all without becoming

hyper. I know there's not a lot of sugar in those pills but I

wouldn't rule it out, that the sugar in the pills could be causing

the problem.

--

> > > My daughter is on the GFCF diet, and I

> > > started enzymes like 4 weeks ago, I started slowly and now she

> is

> > > taking No fenol, zyme prime, and AFP petizide. with two meals

a

> day.

> > > > I just added probiotics (houston) and 2 days ago I tried

> giving

> > > her Mountain High Yogurt (that has probiotics to see if it

would

> be

> > > helpful).

> > > > I read karen's book and I was so excited to start, but since

> we

> > > started she has been awful, very hyper, extremly stimmi

(verbal,

> > > visual, etc.) all that I can handle for a while, but the worst

> thing

> > > of all is that she is waking up again at nights!!!! she waked

> long

> > > ago and totaly stopped but since I started enzymes she is

waking

> up

> > > (hyper as can be) at 2 o 3 in the morning and won't go back to

> sleep

> > > at all, not every day but I haven't found a connection to

> anything

> > > that is making her wake up, the only thing that comes to mind

is

> > > that she didn't use to eat a lot of sugar only from fruits and

a

> > > little bit of blueberry jelly with her peanut butter sandwich,

> she

> > > is taking chewables and it is so easy to give them to her, but

> I'm

> > > wondering if they have a lot of sugar that could be making her

> > > behave like this? I don't know if I should keep her on the

> enzymes

> > > and deal with the side effects separately or if the side

effects

> are

> > > supposed to go away in a few more weeks and just be

> > > > patient? Her birthday is comming up in two weeks and I was

> > > hopping that she could have some regular cake for once.

> > > > Sorry is so long but I've been up all night and I could stop

> > > thinking about this and what the problem might be.

> > > > Thanks so much.

> > > > Cecilia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I also want to add, that No Fenol can cause a tremendous yeast die-off

reaction at first. In a yeast die-off reaction, the symptoms

associated with yeast get way worse. You might want to try stopping

just the No Fenol for a while.

--

[Guest guest]

I also want to add, that No Fenol can cause a tremendous yeast die-off

reaction at first. In a yeast die-off reaction, the symptoms

associated with yeast get way worse. You might want to try stopping

just the No Fenol for a while.

--

[Guest guest]

My daughter is tolerating enzymes wonderfully, she is SCD. I am

taking the enzymes and removed grains, bread foods from my diet, but

did not take out sugar and have been wondering if the enzymes could

be exaggerating the effects of sugar by making it more digested and

bioavailable in the body/brain. Since starting I have felt a bit

hyper at times, which isn't really typical of me. Has anyone else

experienced this? I am thinking about removing sugar completely

too, but with the enzymes attacking yeast so well I have had a bit

of a craving and every so often enjoy a coconut macaroon! I wonder

if this could be what your child is experiencing. If you don't

remove the food it could potentially exaggerate an effect/food

reaction instead of eliminating it?? Anyone have any ideas on

this??? Jen-- In , " b9007812wrrng "

<dlawn@...> wrote:

>

> It took two months on HNI enzymes before my kids could have any

>

> sugar, dairy, peanuts, protein or wheat at all without becoming

>

> hyper. I know there's not a lot of sugar in those pills but I

>

> wouldn't rule it out, that the sugar in the pills could be causing

>

> the problem.

>

>

> --

>

> > > > My daughter is on the GFCF diet, and I

> > > > started enzymes like 4 weeks ago, I started slowly and now

she

> > is

> > > > taking No fenol, zyme prime, and AFP petizide. with two

meals

> a

> > day.

> > > > > I just added probiotics (houston) and 2 days ago I tried

> > giving

> > > > her Mountain High Yogurt (that has probiotics to see if it

> would

> > be

> > > > helpful).

> > > > > I read karen's book and I was so excited to start, but

since

> > we

> > > > started she has been awful, very hyper, extremly stimmi

> (verbal,

> > > > visual, etc.) all that I can handle for a while, but the

worst

> > thing

> > > > of all is that she is waking up again at nights!!!! she

waked

> > long

> > > > ago and totaly stopped but since I started enzymes she is

> waking

> > up

> > > > (hyper as can be) at 2 o 3 in the morning and won't go back

to

> > sleep

> > > > at all, not every day but I haven't found a connection to

> > anything

> > > > that is making her wake up, the only thing that comes to

mind

> is

> > > > that she didn't use to eat a lot of sugar only from fruits

and

> a

> > > > little bit of blueberry jelly with her peanut butter

sandwich,

> > she

> > > > is taking chewables and it is so easy to give them to her,

but

> > I'm

> > > > wondering if they have a lot of sugar that could be making

her

> > > > behave like this? I don't know if I should keep her on the

> > enzymes

> > > > and deal with the side effects separately or if the side

> effects

> > are

> > > > supposed to go away in a few more weeks and just be

> > > > > patient? Her birthday is comming up in two weeks and I

was

> > > > hopping that she could have some regular cake for once.

> > > > > Sorry is so long but I've been up all night and I could

stop

> > > > thinking about this and what the problem might be.

> > > > > Thanks so much.

> > > > > Cecilia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the replies, it looks like most of you think it could be die off

symptoms and adjustment, so I'm just going to think positive and keep going to

see if things get better, I'll increase the zinc amount, and I'm already doing

the baking soda and empsom salts. I actually didn't give her any No Fenol today

and she has been very calm and more focused, and I also got good comments from

school. It has only been one day but we'll see what happens. I have two more

questions; Are die off symptoms a good or bad thing? And also how do you give

GSE I tried it myself and OOOOHHHH boy it tastes so baaad, I tried it with jelly

and it doesn't cover any of the flavor and it stays there for a while, is there

any other trick to administer it?

Thanks again!

Cecilia

---- b9007812wrrng <dlawn@...> wrote:

> I also want to add, that No Fenol can cause a tremendous yeast die-off

>

> reaction at first. In a yeast die-off reaction, the symptoms

>

> associated with yeast get way worse. You might want to try stopping

>

> just the No Fenol for a while.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I put the GSE in apple juice and I don't taste it.

Re: Re: disapointed...>>I will be interested in reading

parents' feedback on your Q

Thanks for all the replies, it looks like most of you think it could be die

off symptoms and adjustment, so I'm just going to think positive and keep going

to see if things get better, I'll increase the zinc amount, and I'm already

doing the baking soda and empsom salts. I actually didn't give her any No Fenol

today and she has been very calm and more focused, and I also got good comments

from school. It has only been one day but we'll see what happens. I have two

more questions; Are die off symptoms a good or bad thing? And also how do you

give GSE I tried it myself and OOOOHHHH boy it tastes so baaad, I tried it with

jelly and it doesn't cover any of the flavor and it stays there for a while, is

there any other trick to administer it?

Thanks again!

Cecilia

---- b9007812wrrng <dlawn@...> wrote:

> I also want to add, that No Fenol can cause a tremendous yeast die-off

>

> reaction at first. In a yeast die-off reaction, the symptoms

>

> associated with yeast get way worse. You might want to try stopping

>

> just the No Fenol for a while.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Die off means you are killing the offending organism--in this case

yeast, and that's good. When the organisms die their bodies

disentegrate and all the toxins inside their bodies are released

into the bloodstream at a much faster rate than they would have been

released while the organism was alive. That makes the toxin-induced

symptoms increase, which is not good at all. You want to kill the

organisms, but not so fast that you're getting die-off symptoms.

What worked for us is, after we tried No Fenol with GSE and we had a

die-off reaction, we stopped taking both for one month. Then we

tried again, at a very low dose (1/4 capsule of No Fenol per day

plus about 4 drops of GSE per day), and the second time we tried we

didn't have a die-off reaction at all. We felt totally great, and

our yeast symptoms disappeared for a few hours with each dose of

GSE. Over a period of about two weeks I gradually increased the

Dose to 1/2-1 capsule of No Fenol per day plus 8-12 drops of GSE per

day, split into doses of 4 drops each.

GSE does taste dreadful. For two of my kids, who can swallow

capsules, I put it into empty capsules along with some vegetable

oil or other supplements. I had to keep the capsules in the freezer

so they wouldn't melt. For my 3-year-old, I had to mix it with a

lot of lemon juice and fructose (a sweetener) to kill the taste.

--

> > I also want to add, that No Fenol can cause a tremendous yeast

die-off

> >

> > reaction at first. In a yeast die-off reaction, the symptoms

> >

> > associated with yeast get way worse. You might want to try

stopping

> >

> > just the No Fenol for a while.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> >

>