Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

[Guest guest]

Hi Josie,

Believe me, I have checked into this. Your best bet would be to get

cotton long-johns, which are snug fitting and are not chemically

treated, and then have her wear warm socks. That's what I do with my

daughter. Classic footed pajamas are all flame retardant by law,

unfortunately.

On Sep 16, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Josie Lecraw wrote:

> Hello Everyone:

>

>

>

> I am looking to buy some " footie " pajamas without flame retardants

> for my 4

> year old daughter. I have seen some infant brands (Gymboree for

> example)

> but all the bigger sizes (LL Bean, Lands End, s etc etc) seem

> to be

> coated in the awful stuff. Has anyone come across any alternatives???

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Josie

>

[Guest guest]

Anything fleece or poly will have the chemical on it. Our ND told us to do

the same thing.tight all cotton PJs and then socks. Old Navy, Gap and

Children's Place all had 2 piece 100% cotton PJs without fire retardant.

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cathylynn2

Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:59 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

Hi Josie,

Believe me, I have checked into this. Your best bet would be to get

cotton long-johns, which are snug fitting and are not chemically

treated, and then have her wear warm socks. That's what I do with my

daughter. Classic footed pajamas are all flame retardant by law,

unfortunately.

On Sep 16, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Josie Lecraw wrote:

> Hello Everyone:

>

>

>

> I am looking to buy some " footie " pajamas without flame retardants

> for my 4

> year old daughter. I have seen some infant brands (Gymboree for

> example)

> but all the bigger sizes (LL Bean, Lands End, s etc etc) seem

> to be

> coated in the awful stuff. Has anyone come across any alternatives???

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Josie

>

[Guest guest]

Hanna Andersson has sizes up to about 12 years old-- way too

expensive unless you hit a sale, though!

http://www.hannaandersson.com

>

> > Hello Everyone:

> >

> >

> >

> > I am looking to buy some " footie " pajamas without flame

retardants

> > for my 4

> > year old daughter. I have seen some infant brands (Gymboree for

> > example)

> > but all the bigger sizes (LL Bean, Lands End, s etc etc)

seem

> > to be

> > coated in the awful stuff. Has anyone come across any

alternatives???

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Josie

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can also wash flame retardant pajamas in Arm & Hammer Washing Soda 3-4

times and it will remove any antimony.

Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

> Hanna Andersson has sizes up to about 12 years old-- way too

> expensive unless you hit a sale, though!

> http://www.hannaandersson.com

>

>

>>

>> > Hello Everyone:

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I am looking to buy some " footie " pajamas without flame

> retardants

>> > for my 4

>> > year old daughter. I have seen some infant brands (Gymboree for

>> > example)

>> > but all the bigger sizes (LL Bean, Lands End, s etc etc)

> seem

>> > to be

>> > coated in the awful stuff. Has anyone come across any

> alternatives???

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> > Josie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone:

Thanks for the answers. I normally do the long johns with socks if she

needs them. Hannah organic ones are my favorite and though they are

expensive I just by them HUGE and have gotten as many as 3 years out of them

(and now with a second child I just buy them in gender neutral styles). Even

before I knew about the antimony (and before I found myself on boards like

this) I always wanted her in something that could breathe (ie cotton). That

said, my MIL bought her a pair of footies last year and after washing them

half a dozen times I let her wear them. She LOVES them. She would wear

them every night if she could. I have no issue with washing the heck out of

them (or buying them used or getting hand me downs) I just wanted to make

sure there wasn't a source I had missed (I know Hannah gets around the law

by saying they are just long johns but everyone I know uses them for pjs).

It was either Lands End or LL Bean that has 100% cotton footies (with flame

retardants).so if the antimony could be washed out.then at least there would

be a good product their little bodies could breathe in.

Thnaks very much for everyones reply

Josie

[Guest guest]

Unless someone is 100 percent sure that it would remove 100 percent of

the mercury, I would still opt for non flame treated

pajamas...besides, even if it removed the antimony, what about the

other chemicals the fabric is treated with? Those constitute an

exposure to the child as well.

W

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> You can also wash flame retardant pajamas in Arm & Hammer Washing

Soda 3-4

> times and it will remove any antimony.

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>

[Guest guest]

Washes them all out, told this by a phd chemist, washing soda will remove

the chemicals. We do it, last hair test, almost indetectable level of

antimony.

Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

> Unless someone is 100 percent sure that it would remove 100 percent of

> the mercury, I would still opt for non flame treated

> pajamas...besides, even if it removed the antimony, what about the

> other chemicals the fabric is treated with? Those constitute an

> exposure to the child as well.

> W

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>> You can also wash flame retardant pajamas in Arm & Hammer Washing

> Soda 3-4

>> times and it will remove any antimony.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Josie,

I am coming late to this discussion so someone may have already said this, but

please be careful with over-size nightwear, especially that without flame

retardant chemicals. The recommendation is to have it fit snugly, as otherwise

if it were to catch fire the fire would be fed from air both outside and inside

the garment, greatly increasing the injuries. Buying them " huge " and getting

three years' use out of one pair of pj's with a growing child could be risky.

Depending on where you live and how well you know your neighbors, it might be

better to have a clothing swap with a like-minded neighbor (and make sure they

return what the child just below your oldest has outgrown once they do so your

younger child can wear them) than risk having the nightwear too baggy.

Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Thanks for the answers. I normally do the long johns with socks if she

needs them. Hannah organic ones are my favorite and though they are

expensive I just by them HUGE and have gotten as many as 3 years out of them

(and now with a second child I just buy them in gender neutral styles). Even

before I knew about the antimony (and before I found myself on boards like

this) I always wanted her in something that could breathe (ie cotton). That

said, my MIL bought her a pair of footies last year and after washing them

half a dozen times I let her wear them. She LOVES them. She would wear

them every night if she could. I have no issue with washing the heck out of

them (or buying them used or getting hand me downs) I just wanted to make

sure there wasn't a source I had missed (I know Hannah gets around the law

by saying they are just long johns but everyone I know uses them for pjs).

It was either Lands End or LL Bean that has 100% cotton footies (with flame

retardants).so if the antimony could be washed out.then at least there would

be a good product their little bodies could breathe in.

Thnaks very much for everyones reply

Josie

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[Guest guest]

That's great that the chemist is confidant about it washing out

antimony, but what about the other chemicals in flame retardant

sleepwear: PBDE's, tetrabromobisphenol A, isophthalic acid, and

terephthalic acid and/or esterforming derivatives. Back in the 70's

society learned that what they used in the sleepwear back then, was

absorbed by children, and even after as many as fifty launderings,

the chemicals were still being absorbed (and this was back in the

day of phosphate-containing laundry detergents). The flame

retardant properties of the garments were reduced, but not totally

nonexistent, i.e. the garments had some minimal flame retardant

properties, but also, the chemicals were still being excreted in

their urine.

It's all about doing whatever you are comfortable with. I have been

on the autism boards for 4+ years now and have seen the idea of

washing pajamas in washing soda ever since then. I've never seen

anyone post the origin of the source justifying a few washings. I

still have enough concerns about the other chemicals in sleepwear

though that the washing soda can't " scrub clean " for me.

W

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> Washes them all out, told this by a phd chemist, washing soda will

remove

> the chemicals. We do it, last hair test, almost indetectable level

of

> antimony.

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> Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

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> > Unless someone is 100 percent sure that it would remove 100

percent of

> > the antimony, I would still opt for non flame treated

> > pajamas...besides, even if it removed the antimony, what about

the

> > other chemicals the fabric is treated with? Those constitute an

> > exposure to the child as well.

> > W

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Don't use them if you're concerned, but the cotton fabrics are also treated.

We used them, ours is recovered, even with using them, just always washed

them 3-4 times with washing soda. Was not a problem for us.

There are chemicals everywhere, have to put them in a bubble not to get

chemicals. You can get crazy with this stuff or you can just take normal

precautions and get on with it.

Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

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>> > Unless someone is 100 percent sure that it would remove 100

> percent of

>> > the antimony, I would still opt for non flame treated

>> > pajamas...besides, even if it removed the antimony, what about

> the

>> > other chemicals the fabric is treated with? Those constitute an

>> > exposure to the child as well.

>> > W

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[Guest guest]

Folks:

Unless you are buying organic cotton you are giving them a ton of chemicals

anyway; and unless you wrap your mattress or have bought organic and have

removed carpeting from your home (and I realize many of us have done these

things) you are exposing them to flame retardants as well. I take all of

these things very seriously; and as I stated, I use organic cotton

pajamas.except that I have this 4 yr old child who really really thinks

footies are cool so I indulge her every now and then. It's a judgment call.

As for the dangers of oversized pajamas.with all due respect.I cant say I

have ever put much stock in the federal guidelines on that particular

subject. In any case, maybe you aren't familiar with the way the Hannahs

work? They are designed to grow with the child. This is one of the reasons

they are worth the insane price (in my view anyway). The first year they

are long and baggy and you roll up the cuffs. The second year they are just

right (no cuffs); and the third year they are a little tight and short. And

all the while the fabric looks as good as the day you bought it - thick

organic cotton with vibrant colors that don't fade - and the stains come

out. Do I sound like a commercial?

Josie

[Guest guest]

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> > Soda 3-4

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[Guest guest]

Is washing soda, you can actually wash all your clothes with just vinegar

and washing soda. The washing soda removes the antimony in the flame

retardant fabric. I make a lot of her nightgowns, with non flame retardant

fabric, but I can't find non flame retardant footed pajamas, which I have

sewn before, but are a pain to make. We live in Ohio, lots of cold winters

here.

Is Andy Cutler, phd chemist who said just to wash them 3-4 times in the

washing soda and it removes the chemicals. I also buy them in the late

summer, wash them in the washing soda and put them outside to dry each time.

You could research it, but pretty sure it gets it out as we have a hair test

done every 5-6 months and the antimony has never raised.

She does not sleep on a flame retardant mattress which is probably more

important.

You will find the Arm & Hammer Washing Soda in the laundry aisle of your

grocery store right next to the laundry detergent.

There is non flame retardant cotton fabric for nightwear at your fabric

store.

Re: OT: Footy pajamas without flame retardants?

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>> > Soda 3-4

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[Guest guest]

Yes, a lot of times the cotton kids pajamas are also treated--you

have to look at the label in the neckline very closely because it

will state it there, but not on the packaging.

I just have my kids sleep in a snug fitting t-shirt and cotton pull

on shorts, i.e. regular clothes. But even with regular clothes, you

still have to look at the labels because so many kids clothes are now

chemically treated to be " dirt resistant " , i.e. they have a form of

teflon sprayed on them. So we avoid those as well.

The skin being the largest 'organ' on the body, we avoid a lot of

things that can harm them by being absorbed through their skin.

W

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> Don't use them if you're concerned, but the cotton fabrics are also

treated.

> We used them, ours is recovered, even with using them, just always

washed

> them 3-4 times with washing soda. Was not a problem for us.

>

> There are chemicals everywhere, have to put them in a bubble not to

get

> chemicals. You can get crazy with this stuff or you can just take

normal

> precautions and get on with it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the easiest thing is to go to a fabric store....buy an

appropriate size pattern, and buy some polar fleece and make

them....pj's are very simple things to make...the pants take 2 pieces

and the tope takes 3 plus the ribbing....and as to the footies....there

are lots and lots of heavy slipper sox... The added bonus with making

the kids jammies, that I have found....the two piece sets last

longer...because you can add a large hem and a large waistband to allow

for growing...seems safer and easier to me....but that's just my

opinion.

Ronni