Re: DAN recommendations... please advise!

[Guest guest]

Absolutely start one at a time, preferably on Friday afternoon or

Saturday morning, so if there's a problem you won't find out about it

from the school.

Basic Nutrients Plus has 20 mg of vitamin B6. That amount of B6 caused

severe hyperactivity in my son. Do yourself a favor and start at 1/4 or

even 1/8 the dose and give it at least a week or two before increasing.

And give Epsom salts baths or Epsom salts cream and No-Fenol enzyme

along with it. They help the body to process the B6. We've been able to

increase the dose with no side effects by doing it this way.

Reduced glutathione (what's in Essential GSH) caused an entire day of

wild hyperactivity. I didn't dare try it again. Course I started with

the full dose. Never do that again...

Cod liver oil supplies vitamins A and D, basically. Worthwhile and low

risk, IMO.

Glutathione (in Essential GSH) is a chelator and I assume Chelate-Mate

is too. We haven't done chelation, but the general advice I've seen is

first heal the gut, then restore nutrient stores in the body, *then*

chelate. I'm sure others can supply more detailed information.

Oh, and our kids' guts are often so damaged they can't absorb the

supplements we give them. So I always give supplements with an

enzyme--Prime Zyme and No-Fenol in our case.

G.

> Below is what was recommended by our DAN for our 5yr old son. I

> have been so nervous about trying these since our son is doing so

> well in his reg kindergarten class...Do I start one at a time? Also,

> we've never

> tried cod liver oil, is everyone using that?

>

> Culturelle – one capsule daily.

>

> · Basic Nutrients Plus – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · Essential GSH – 1/3 teaspoon twice daily

>

> · Chelate-Mate – ½ tablespoon daily

>

> · ProBiotic Support Formula – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · Antioxidant Formula (new formula) – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · AFP Peptizyde (chewable)

>

> Nystatin Oral Suspension

>

> oral DMPS challenge

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought if you gave an enzyme at the same time as your supplements you

would nullify the supplement? I hope I am wrong. It is so hard to figure

out when to give what. If you miss that tiny window, the whoel day is off

and you miss something. If I can give both enzyme and supplement then

woohoo. Can I?

Kathy

Re: DAN recommendations... please advise!

Absolutely start one at a time, preferably on Friday afternoon or

Saturday morning, so if there's a problem you won't find out about it

from the school.

Basic Nutrients Plus has 20 mg of vitamin B6. That amount of B6 caused

severe hyperactivity in my son. Do yourself a favor and start at 1/4 or

even 1/8 the dose and give it at least a week or two before increasing.

And give Epsom salts baths or Epsom salts cream and No-Fenol enzyme

along with it. They help the body to process the B6. We've been able to

increase the dose with no side effects by doing it this way.

Reduced glutathione (what's in Essential GSH) caused an entire day of

wild hyperactivity. I didn't dare try it again. Course I started with

the full dose. Never do that again...

Cod liver oil supplies vitamins A and D, basically. Worthwhile and low

risk, IMO.

Glutathione (in Essential GSH) is a chelator and I assume Chelate-Mate

is too. We haven't done chelation, but the general advice I've seen is

first heal the gut, then restore nutrient stores in the body, *then*

chelate. I'm sure others can supply more detailed information.

Oh, and our kids' guts are often so damaged they can't absorb the

supplements we give them. So I always give supplements with an

enzyme--Prime Zyme and No-Fenol in our case.

G.

> Below is what was recommended by our DAN for our 5yr old son. I

> have been so nervous about trying these since our son is doing so

> well in his reg kindergarten class...Do I start one at a time? Also,

> we've never

> tried cod liver oil, is everyone using that?

>

> Culturelle – one capsule daily.

>

> · Basic Nutrients Plus – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · Essential GSH – 1/3 teaspoon twice daily

>

> · Chelate-Mate – ½ tablespoon daily

>

> · ProBiotic Support Formula – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · Antioxidant Formula (new formula) – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · AFP Peptizyde (chewable)

>

> Nystatin Oral Suspension

>

> oral DMPS challenge

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You might be thinking about enzymes and probiotics. You want to digest

food, not the helpful little critters that belong in your gut.

Enzymes break down food and nutrients so that they can be absorbed. One

reason for our kids' lousy nutritional status (aside from their lousy

self-selected diets) is that they are unable to properly break down and

absorb the good foods that they do eat. Giving enzymes with foods and

supplements allows the kid to actually " get " what's in it.

G.

Kathy Harvey wrote:

>I thought if you gave an enzyme at the same time as your supplements you

>would nullify the supplement? I hope I am wrong. It is so hard to figure

>out when to give what. If you miss that tiny window, the whoel day is off

>and you miss something. If I can give both enzyme and supplement then

>woohoo. Can I?

>

>Kathy

>

> Re: DAN recommendations... please advise!

>

>

>Absolutely start one at a time, preferably on Friday afternoon or

>Saturday morning, so if there's a problem you won't find out about it

>from the school.

>

>Basic Nutrients Plus has 20 mg of vitamin B6. That amount of B6 caused

>severe hyperactivity in my son. Do yourself a favor and start at 1/4 or

>even 1/8 the dose and give it at least a week or two before increasing.

>And give Epsom salts baths or Epsom salts cream and No-Fenol enzyme

>along with it. They help the body to process the B6. We've been able to

>increase the dose with no side effects by doing it this way.

>

>Reduced glutathione (what's in Essential GSH) caused an entire day of

>wild hyperactivity. I didn't dare try it again. Course I started with

>the full dose. Never do that again...

>

>Cod liver oil supplies vitamins A and D, basically. Worthwhile and low

>risk, IMO.

>

>Glutathione (in Essential GSH) is a chelator and I assume Chelate-Mate

>is too. We haven't done chelation, but the general advice I've seen is

>first heal the gut, then restore nutrient stores in the body, *then*

>chelate. I'm sure others can supply more detailed information.

>

>Oh, and our kids' guts are often so damaged they can't absorb the

>supplements we give them. So I always give supplements with an

>enzyme--Prime Zyme and No-Fenol in our case.

>

> G.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I probably did get mixed up with sooooo many different things to

supplement with, who could blame me? So no probiotics and enzymes but the otehr

supps are ok with enzymes.

I hear ya on the lousy self -selected diets. If he would get over that ;>) I'd

be ever so happy. He likes baby food still and it seems to be the only way to

get a wide variety into him. We don't do corn or apples but it still leaves a

wide variety of baby food, he's nearly 5 and eats regular food too but to get

good stuff into him I just started one meal a day with some added jars of baby

food.

Kathy

Re: DAN recommendations... please advise!

>

>

>Absolutely start one at a time, preferably on Friday afternoon or

>Saturday morning, so if there's a problem you won't find out about it

>from the school.

>

>Basic Nutrients Plus has 20 mg of vitamin B6. That amount of B6 caused

>severe hyperactivity in my son. Do yourself a favor and start at 1/4 or

>even 1/8 the dose and give it at least a week or two before increasing.

>And give Epsom salts baths or Epsom salts cream and No-Fenol enzyme

>along with it. They help the body to process the B6. We've been able to

>increase the dose with no side effects by doing it this way.

>

>Reduced glutathione (what's in Essential GSH) caused an entire day of

>wild hyperactivity. I didn't dare try it again. Course I started with

>the full dose. Never do that again...

>

>Cod liver oil supplies vitamins A and D, basically. Worthwhile and low

>risk, IMO.

>

>Glutathione (in Essential GSH) is a chelator and I assume Chelate-Mate

>is too. We haven't done chelation, but the general advice I've seen is

>first heal the gut, then restore nutrient stores in the body, *then*

>chelate. I'm sure others can supply more detailed information.

>

>Oh, and our kids' guts are often so damaged they can't absorb the

>supplements we give them. So I always give supplements with an

>enzyme--Prime Zyme and No-Fenol in our case.

>

> G.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Who is your DAN doctor? do you like him/her? Do they take

insurance?

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Below is what was recommended by our DAN for our 5yr old son. I

> have been so nervous about trying these since our son is doing so

> well in his reg kindergarten class, I am afraid of regression or

> just rocking the boat. But he has been doing some strange talking

> lately (he is usually pretty appropriate) that I was told could be

> yeast (maybe stress from school?). If anyone has thoughts about

> these I would appreciate hearing from you. Even if you could just

> respond by just writing " no problem " or " side effects " next to

each

> one. I am especially concerned with yeast die off (even though

yeast

> doesn't SEEM to be a big problem for him) and the DMPS Challenge,

> chelating scares me. Do I start one at a time? Also, we've never

> tried cod liver oil, is everyone using that? Thank you So much

for

> your advice or opinions!

>

> Culturelle – one capsule daily.

>

> · Basic Nutrients Plus – 1 capsule twice daily

>

>

> · Essential GSH – 1/3 teaspoon twice daily

>

> · Chelate-Mate – ½ tablespoon daily

>

> · ProBiotic Support Formula – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · Antioxidant Formula (new formula) – 1 capsule twice daily

>

> · AFP Peptizyde (chewable)

>

> Nystatin Oral Suspension

>

> oral DMPS challenge

>

[Guest guest]

---

How do you know enzymes are working? No more food particles in

stool? He's not " going " everyday. BM I mean. The first one after

we started enzymes this week almost looked hairy! Really gross!

Really sorry! I bought a big thing of activated charcoal, how do I

take it. Its not encapsulated. Just black crystals. I'm asking

more for myself. I think my gut is damaged also. Probably yeast,

isn't that the $64,000 question, " how do i kill off the bad yeast

overgrowth! " Any info would be great. Right now I am trying 1/2

cap AFP Peptizyde and 1/2 cap NO fenol with breakfast. No incidents

at school bathroom or otherwise. He is 8. Only communicates when

it is demanded of him! He is so funny, and I love him however he

is.

Thanks and God Bless.

April.

In , G <jsbach@...> wrote:

>

> Absolutely start one at a time, preferably on Friday afternoon or

> Saturday morning, so if there's a problem you won't find out about

it

> from the school.

>

> Basic Nutrients Plus has 20 mg of vitamin B6. That amount of B6

caused

> severe hyperactivity in my son. Do yourself a favor and start at

1/4 or

> even 1/8 the dose and give it at least a week or two before

increasing.

> And give Epsom salts baths or Epsom salts cream and No-Fenol

enzyme

> along with it. They help the body to process the B6. We've been

able to

> increase the dose with no side effects by doing it this way.

>

> Reduced glutathione (what's in Essential GSH) caused an entire day

of

> wild hyperactivity. I didn't dare try it again. Course I started

with

> the full dose. Never do that again...

>

> Cod liver oil supplies vitamins A and D, basically. Worthwhile and

low

> risk, IMO.

>

> Glutathione (in Essential GSH) is a chelator and I assume Chelate-

Mate

> is too. We haven't done chelation, but the general advice I've

seen is

> first heal the gut, then restore nutrient stores in the body,

*then*

> chelate. I'm sure others can supply more detailed information.

>

> Oh, and our kids' guts are often so damaged they can't absorb the

> supplements we give them. So I always give supplements with an

> enzyme--Prime Zyme and No-Fenol in our case.

>

> G.

>

>

> > Below is what was recommended by our DAN for our 5yr old son. I

> > have been so nervous about trying these since our son is doing so

> > well in his reg kindergarten class...Do I start one at a time?

Also,

> > we've never

> > tried cod liver oil, is everyone using that?

> >

> > Culturelle – one capsule daily.

> >

> > · Basic Nutrients Plus – 1 capsule twice daily

> >

> > · Essential GSH – 1/3 teaspoon twice daily

> >

> > · Chelate-Mate – ½ tablespoon daily

> >

> > · ProBiotic Support Formula – 1 capsule twice daily

> >

> > · Antioxidant Formula (new formula) – 1 capsule twice daily

> >

> > · AFP Peptizyde (chewable)

> >

> > Nystatin Oral Suspension

> >

> > oral DMPS challenge

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Culturelle – one capsule daily.

Okay unless your child is VERY intolerant to casein.

> · Basic Nutrients Plus – 1 capsule twice daily

Should be okay. Can tend to increase yeast. Don't give it after

about 4pm.

> · Essential GSH – 1/3 teaspoon twice daily

Can tend to increase yeast.

> · Chelate-Mate – ½ tablespoon daily

>

> · ProBiotic Support Formula – 1 capsule twice daily

These seem okay for most kids.

> · Antioxidant Formula (new formula) – 1 capsule twice daily

I don't know the ingredients for this one.

> · AFP Peptizyde (chewable)

Good. Might want to use Zyme Prime and/or No-Fenol also.

> Nystatin Oral Suspension

For yeast.

> oral DMPS challenge

Consider a hair test instead, it is not invasive and gives more info.

No side effects like yeast or redistribution.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> I thought if you gave an enzyme at the same time as your supplements

you

> would nullify the supplement?

Enzymes can be given together with most supplements. Some probiotics

are affected by certain enzymes.

Don't give supplements together with activated charcoal, or you will

nullify the supplements.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know specifically which probiotics are impacted by

mixing with enzymes?

> >

> > I thought if you gave an enzyme at the same time as your

supplements

> you

> > would nullify the supplement?

>

>

> Enzymes can be given together with most supplements. Some

probiotics

> are affected by certain enzymes.

>

> Don't give supplements together with activated charcoal, or you

will

> nullify the supplements.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

It is Dr Woeller and he is in Temecula (Stillpoint Medical Center).

I like him a lot! And from what I hear he is one of the best in So

Cal, one of the most experienced. We live an hour away from him but

only had to go to his office once and then he will do phone

appointments. No, they don't bill your insurance, you pay up front

and then send superbills to your ins co. I am still trying to get

mine to pay from January! Good luck!

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Below is what was recommended by our DAN for our 5yr old son. I

> > have been so nervous about trying these since our son is doing

so

> > well in his reg kindergarten class, I am afraid of regression or

> > just rocking the boat. But he has been doing some strange

talking

> > lately (he is usually pretty appropriate) that I was told could

be

> > yeast (maybe stress from school?). If anyone has thoughts about

> > these I would appreciate hearing from you. Even if you could

just

> > respond by just writing " no problem " or " side effects " next to

> each

> > one. I am especially concerned with yeast die off (even though

> yeast

> > doesn't SEEM to be a big problem for him) and the DMPS

Challenge,

> > chelating scares me. Do I start one at a time? Also, we've

never

> > tried cod liver oil, is everyone using that? Thank you So much

> for

> > your advice or opinions!

> >

> > Culturelle – one capsule daily.

> >

> > · Basic Nutrients Plus – 1 capsule twice daily

> >

> >

> > · Essential GSH – 1/3 teaspoon twice daily

> >

> > · Chelate-Mate – ½ tablespoon daily

> >

> > · ProBiotic Support Formula – 1 capsule twice daily

> >

> > · Antioxidant Formula (new formula) – 1 capsule twice

daily

> >

> > · AFP Peptizyde (chewable)

> >

> > Nystatin Oral Suspension

> >

> > oral DMPS challenge

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Does anyone know specifically which probiotics are impacted by

> mixing with enzymes?

You might try contacting your suppliers, both enzyme and probiotic,

and ask.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I thought all of them--all the organisms have a protein coat so any

protease will damage them.

G.

> Does anyone know specifically which probiotics are impacted by

> mixing with enzymes?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Renew Life products have a fairly good reputation. Their Kidzyme has

enzymes,probiotics and amino acids in the same capsule. Here's what's

listed in them:

Containing: ParaPlant Enzyme Blend, L-Glutamine, Lecithin, Probiotic

Blend (10 billion/gm proprietary blend of Lactobacillus acidophilus,

Bifidobacterium bifidum, Bifidobacterium, infantis that does not

require refrigeration.), Fructooligosaccharides (F.O.S.), N-Acetyl-d-

Glucosamine (NAG).

>

> I thought all of them--all the organisms have a protein coat so any

> protease will damage them.

>

> G.

>

>

> > Does anyone know specifically which probiotics are impacted by

> > mixing with enzymes?

> >

> >

> >

>