Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 , You are giving your child exactly what I was giving mine, except I had the virastop in already. My son was progressing well (focused more than ususal, nice little viral rash) when he just completely fell apart. I was unprepared for the hellish time he went through. I quit the viral protocol, which was another mistake. We had terrible fevers, complete lethargy, many bad things. One of those bad things, which I'm still trying to deal with, was terrible flare up of yeast. I've been chelating with oral DMSA/ALA and never had any yeast close to this. I'm not trying to scare you but I found that the antivirals seemed to build momentum and then BOOM! That's how it was here. I am going to start this again because it would seem that my son, who has shown virtually no signs of viral issues, has major ones, but this time I'm going to keep my doses way down. Just for reference, my son is 34 pounds. I was giving 3 virastop a day, 125 mg of OLE a day, 12 pellets of lauricidin three times a day, and 5 ml of sambucol. As I said, this was fine for the first little while, but then it all seemed to hit him. Also, this time, I'll be implementing the mother of all antifungal protocols. I've read reports now that explain how parents really need to be prepared to battle through the bad stuff. I wasn't prepared and I regret that. I'm trying to share my experience in hopes that it might help others avoid some of the mistakes I made. Best wishes, Anita > > We are currently giving lauricidin, olive leaf extract and elderberry > extract. We could increase the lauricidin a bit yet. Would it be more > effective to get ramped up to the maximum dose for the lauricidin > before starting the virastop? > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 We got the negatives and some improvements in more mature, independent behaviors and some mild increase in attention. She kept the improvements even with the fever and still has them today, although the fever is down to a manageable 99.3. We were up to 3 Virastop 3x a day, starting with 1/4 capsule the first day and adding one capsule per day, a very conservative approach. But we got the wild (104) fever, and the thing is she has never spiked a fever that high, which I can't figure out if it is due to a virus or the Virastop. And the other thing is that the Motrin did not take care of the fever. You know how freaky you get when things occur together whether they are related or not. But even with the fever, we kept the improvements, so trying to figure out what to do now. Re: question on virastop > , > > You are giving your child exactly what I was giving mine, except I had > the virastop in already. My son was progressing well (focused more > than ususal, nice little viral rash) when he just completely fell > apart. I was unprepared for the hellish time he went through. I quit > the viral protocol, which was another mistake. We had terrible > fevers, complete lethargy, many bad things. One of those bad things, > which I'm still trying to deal with, was terrible flare up of yeast. > I've been chelating with oral DMSA/ALA and never had any yeast close > to this. > > I'm not trying to scare you but I found that the antivirals seemed to > build momentum and then BOOM! That's how it was here. > > I am going to start this again because it would seem that my son, who > has shown virtually no signs of viral issues, has major ones, but this > time I'm going to keep my doses way down. Just for reference, my son > is 34 pounds. I was giving 3 virastop a day, 125 mg of OLE a day, 12 > pellets of lauricidin three times a day, and 5 ml of sambucol. As I > said, this was fine for the first little while, but then it all seemed > to hit him. Also, this time, I'll be implementing the mother of all > antifungal protocols. > > I've read reports now that explain how parents really need to be > prepared to battle through the bad stuff. I wasn't prepared and I > regret that. I'm trying to share my experience in hopes that it might > help others avoid some of the mistakes I made. > > Best wishes, > Anita > > > > >> >> We are currently giving lauricidin, olive leaf extract and elderberry >> extract. We could increase the lauricidin a bit yet. Would it be more >> effective to get ramped up to the maximum dose for the lauricidin >> before starting the virastop? >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 > > We are currently giving lauricidin, olive leaf extract and elderberry > extract. We could increase the lauricidin a bit yet. Would it be more > effective to get ramped up to the maximum dose for the lauricidin > before starting the virastop? I would start the ViraStop first, then consider increasing the Lauricidin. ViraStop tends to reduce the required dose of other anti-virals. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 >>And as asked below, > how do we know that some of the reactions aren't caused by the antivirals > themselves- I mean what if they're poison and the body is fighting THEM > (totally playing devil's advocate here)? I just think we ought to have as > much scientific basis for what we do as possible. Devil's advocate can be good, because it is good to consider all possibilities. As I increase and modify my kids' anti-viral protocol, they develop alternating illnesses. Yesterday #2 was coughing and #3 was sneezing. Today that is gone. Last week, #3 was coughing and #2 had a skin rash, both of which left within 2 days. But, after each incidence of illness or rash, they improve with language skills, social interactions, and other things. So I don't have the *science*, but I do have the experience. Here is one really good OLE recovery story that has lots of detailed info on this. The mother was sending ME emails for advice, but I learned a lot from HER account! http://www.danasview.net/virrec3.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 > Hi, I was just wondering if it's okay to open up the Virastop capsules > and mix them with juice for > my son. He will not swallow the capsules. This usually works. Try to use the least amont of juice possible. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 That's what we do--I have a son who cannot swallow capsules at all. -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of lundgrendianne Hi, I was just wondering if it's okay to open up the Virastop capsules and mix them with juice for my son. He will not swallow the capsules. Thanks Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Hello!,  I wonder if anyone in the group used Virastop from Enzymedica. If yes, what side effects except yeast overgrowth did you have? As for me, I started with 1 capsule a day. On the third day I took 3 caps with empty stomach, and I think I burned my gut. Feeling lot of discomort since then. I am now very cautious to give it to my son, 10y.o., but I read about very good effects of Virastop for our kids, and wonder what others' experience is. Any input would be very helpful.  Thanks in advance! Asem From: danasview <danasview@...> Subject: [ ] Re: viral protocol Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 9:38 AM  > hi we are looking to start our viral protocol (again) round 3, we've got ole and monolaurin and it says to take them both with food, what would you suggest? Monolaurin caused so much yeast here that I had to stop it. I switched to OLE, which worked well to knock back the viruses but did not eliminate them. It took high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. Viral die off increases yeast, so be sure you have a good yeast protocol and be prepared to increase it. I don't think it matters much whether you take the OLE/monolaurin with or without food. I did it both ways and did not notice much difference either way. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 hi, a similar effect happened with my son last year, we are re-introducing virastop, but this time we are using the go slow method, starting with very small amounts and building up, we just launched into a cpl of capsules last time, protease can irritate very sore gut walls and make them feel much worse, low and slow is definately the answer. hth emma mum to 1 DD with DCD, 2 DS with ASD > > hi we are looking to start our viral protocol (again) round 3, we've got ole and monolaurin and it says to take them both with food, what would you suggest? > > Monolaurin caused so much yeast here that I had to stop it. I switched to OLE, which worked well to knock back the viruses but did not eliminate them. It took high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. > > Viral die off increases yeast, so be sure you have a good yeast protocol and be prepared to increase it. > > I don't think it matters much whether you take the OLE/monolaurin with or without food. I did it both ways and did not notice much difference either way. > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Hi emma!  How did you treat your son after that last year? Thanks, Asem  From: eeejay174 <eeejay174@...> Subject: [ ] Re: question on Virastop Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:05 AM  hi, a similar effect happened with my son last year, we are re-introducing virastop, but this time we are using the go slow method, starting with very small amounts and building up, we just launched into a cpl of capsules last time, protease can irritate very sore gut walls and make them feel much worse, low and slow is definately the answer. hth emma mum to 1 DD with DCD, 2 DS with ASD > > hi we are looking to start our viral protocol (again) round 3, we've got ole and monolaurin and it says to take them both with food, what would you suggest? > > Monolaurin caused so much yeast here that I had to stop it. I switched to OLE, which worked well to knock back the viruses but did not eliminate them. It took high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. > > Viral die off increases yeast, so be sure you have a good yeast protocol and be prepared to increase it. > > I don't think it matters much whether you take the OLE/monolaurin with or without food. I did it both ways and did not notice much difference either way. > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 we left viral support for a while, he also started a new school and the transition was very hard on him, so tbh it we just did baseline biomedical support with various supplements, hes in Y8 now, and is in a much better place mentally, so we feel hes strong enough to try again, but we'll go much slower with them. We started our 3 yr old on tri enza chewables a few weeks ago and she had real trouble as we started her straight away on 2 tablets and she had a lot of bother with her stomach, so we stpped for a week, and we have re-introduced starting at just 1/4 of a tablet - equivalent to 1/4 of a capsule - and increase by a quarter weekly, and we'll do the same with the virastop for my boy. She's been fine with this method, no complaints now at all. hth emma > > > hi we are looking to start our viral protocol (again) round 3, we've got ole and monolaurin and it says to take them both with food, what would you suggest? > > > > Monolaurin caused so much yeast here that I had to stop it. I switched to OLE, which worked well to knock back the viruses but did not eliminate them. It took high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. > > > > Viral die off increases yeast, so be sure you have a good yeast protocol and be prepared to increase it. > > > > I don't think it matters much whether you take the OLE/monolaurin with or without food. I did it both ways and did not notice much difference either way. > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 We had the same experience with Trienza in caps. One third capsule made our son crying right after meal. We now introducing it slowlier. When this kind of reaction occurs, does it mean that our kids' stomach lining is highly sore? I heard some children do not have this negative reaction to enzymes. We used Kirkman DPP4 before for 6 months, with no negatives.  Does it mean that Kirkman is less effective than Trienza for us, what do you think? When I switched to Trienza, I was able to return some foods, that caused negative behavior before. Sorry if this is off topic on this list! Asem From: eeejay174 <eeejay174@...> Subject: [ ] Re: question on Virastop Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 12:08 PM  we left viral support for a while, he also started a new school and the transition was very hard on him, so tbh it we just did baseline biomedical support with various supplements, hes in Y8 now, and is in a much better place mentally, so we feel hes strong enough to try again, but we'll go much slower with them. We started our 3 yr old on tri enza chewables a few weeks ago and she had real trouble as we started her straight away on 2 tablets and she had a lot of bother with her stomach, so we stpped for a week, and we have re-introduced starting at just 1/4 of a tablet - equivalent to 1/4 of a capsule - and increase by a quarter weekly, and we'll do the same with the virastop for my boy. She's been fine with this method, no complaints now at all. hth emma > > > hi we are looking to start our viral protocol (again) round 3, we've got ole and monolaurin and it says to take them both with food, what would you suggest? > > > > Monolaurin caused so much yeast here that I had to stop it. I switched to OLE, which worked well to knock back the viruses but did not eliminate them. It took high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. > > > > Viral die off increases yeast, so be sure you have a good yeast protocol and be prepared to increase it. > > > > I don't think it matters much whether you take the OLE/monolaurin with or without food. I did it both ways and did not notice much difference either way. > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 i've heard that hni enzymes are more efficient at their job than the kirkmans, i also think that they are much more effective at cleaning up the gut too from various bacteria, etc and this, in part, irritates the lining of the bowel, plus, i'm sure you can get yeast in the stomach (someone please correct me if i'm wrong), and that some of the stomach pain is attributable to that particular die off as well. There is also a marvellous group called enzymes and autism, they can offer great insight into all things enzyme, hth emma > > > > hi we are looking to start our viral protocol (again) round 3, we've got ole and monolaurin and it says to take them both with food, what would you suggest? > > > > > > Monolaurin caused so much yeast here that I had to stop it. I switched to OLE, which worked well to knock back the viruses but did not eliminate them. It took high doses of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, and lysine to eliminate the viruses. > > > > > > Viral die off increases yeast, so be sure you have a good yeast protocol and be prepared to increase it. > > > > > > I don't think it matters much whether you take the OLE/monolaurin with or without food. I did it both ways and did not notice much difference either way. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 > I wonder if anyone in the group used Virastop from Enzymedica. If yes, what side effects except yeast overgrowth did you have? I have used Virastop here. No side effects except yeast. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 When we used virastop we had rashes, and eyelid " bumps " (which we were told were blepharitis, but I believe to be viral as they always arrive with viral issues), and oddly enough large pus filled bumps (sort of like bug bites) on my son's upper thighs. One or two at a time his upper thighs. They would actually get hard, then fill solid with pus then eventually pop, ooze, drain, and heal. I had a holistic health practitioner (NAET/TCM) point out to me that they were in the spot where he got vaccines as a baby - interesting. It was like his body was clearing viruses from the spot they entered his body. All that stuff would clear up (and the yeast) and we were good again. I wouldn't call these things a " side effect " of Virastop as much as the Virastop (and lysine and OLE) doing what it was supposed to do. > > I wonder if anyone in the group used Virastop from Enzymedica. If yes, what side effects except yeast overgrowth did you have? > > > I have used Virastop here. No side effects except yeast. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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