Re: Confused, overwhelmed and fighting despair

[Guest guest]

I truly empathize.

My son had a great one month on the start of GFCF and after a month, yeast was

back. I removed what seemed to be problem food but more problem foods began to

be manifested. I have had no luck with GSE or OoO.

My son has been on all Houston enzymes, GFCFSF trace corn, very very low

sugar,and no peanuts.

However,I have had some luck with high dose of Candex (an enzyme that digest

the yeast cell wall) when I gave it at high dose (6-7 cap) per day because I

couldn't follow the instructions of giving it on empty stomach. I gave it in

juice with Breakfast, lunch and dinner and before sleep. I still don't know if

the too high dose is a bad idea for my son or not since my question regarding

this didn't get answered (I suspect no one who is reading the post recently

has shared this experience). However, three of our wonderful listmates kindly

shared their experiences with me which was all positive and helped me make my

decision. Candex worked fast, painlessly and well. We saw the first formed

poop in more than a month. However, in order to keep the effect, I have had to

keep the high dose like any other enzyme.

Part of me thinks that this may be a signal that I do need to rotate my son's

enzymes. I have currently run out of it. All the health food stores here are

out too and so is Pure Essence co. However, I was able to order it at

www.iherb.com at good price.

My son and I have such bad yeast issue that probiotics alone, even the

muli-strain 50 billion Micro Organism hasn't helped enough, so, I felt I had

no other choice than either experiment with Candex dose, or put my son on Rx

which is always my last choice.

Hope this helps.

Haleh

--- sola_gratia_77x7 <quovadis@...> wrote:

> The more I try to research things, the more confused I get. There

> are so many different claims & opinions & options out there and with

> most of the people making them standing to gain financially in some

> way (books, supplements, etc), it's hard to know who you can

> believe. Has anyone out there tried ThreeLac or the Special Foods

> Diet? (They look terribly expensive!)

>

> I believe we are fighting yeast or a fungus in our family. My 3yo

> gets diaper rashes that don't clear up with anything except Lamisil

> now - and when I was nursing him, that was the only thing that

> helped when I started feeling that painful, itchy, burning feeling

> on my breasts (a 30-day course of diflucan apparently did nothing).

> So whatever this stuff is, it's tough.

>

> At this point, we have enough symptoms that we pretty clearly need

> to treat the whole family. In the past I have tried GSE (worked

> pretty well), olive leaf extract (oldest son reacted badly to it),

> oil of oregano (worked pretty well) and caprylic acid (seemed to

> have no effect). Are garlic & cranberry extract worth a darn for

> yeast-type infections?

>

> We are awaiting results of some lab tests, but I do have the IgG

> tests back for 3 of my kids. We need to avoid all dairy, all wheat

> & some relatives, eggs, almonds & citrus. I am assuming the citrus

> reaction would eliminate GSE as an option.

>

> We are currently taking 1 capsule of Natrol's purified fish oil AM &

> PM (the EFA thread has me pretty confused, too, because I haven't

> been able to follow it all) & all 3 Houston enzymes. I am

> struggling to figure out whether to add another enzyme specifically

> for yeast and then what probiotic would be the best way to go and

> how much can I get away with so they can overwhelm the bad guys

> asap?

>

> I need to get us going on an elimination/ rotation diet but I am not

> much of a cook. We eat out a lot and I use a lot of convenience

> foods and we have never been big veggie eaters. (The idea of

> veggies with butter or cheese melted on them was kind of tolerable,

> but now we don't even have that option) And even with all those

> cheats, I still have dirty dishes piled up in my kitchen and can't

> seem to keep up with them.

>

> I am 6 mos pregnant, homeschooling 3 of my 4 kids, and feeling tired

> a lot of the time (I'm sure fighting the yeast myself is not helping

> that fatigue, either).

>

> So I am begging those with the benefit of personal experience to

> share what you can with me! What specific, concrete things can/

> should I do for my family?

>

> Being pregnant eliminates most of the herbal options for myself, I

> believe. I'm afraid that using Oil of Oregano alone will lead to

> more tolerance by this bug and then we'll lose that option as well.

>

> And how do I get a picky 3yo to take oil of oregano? Even the

> capsules the rest of us take have a pretty strong smell and he can't

> swallow a pill - there's no way I could give it to him as the oil or

> mixed with something. All these " challenges " are feeling beyond my

> ability to deal with right now & that's just one more straw added to

> this whole stressful mess!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone out there tried ThreeLac or the Special Foods

> Diet? (They look terribly expensive!)

We use lactobacillus sporogenes, one of the ingredients in ThreeLac.

I usually buy the Thorne brand and buy from myvits.com

http://www.myvits.com/products/proddesc.asp?

ProdId=981 & BackLink=productlist%2Easp%3FBrand%3D8%26Browse%3D1%26page%

3D1 It worked especially well for my daughter.

[Guest guest]

> most of the people making them standing to gain financially in

some

> way

I try to steer clear of anyone who is really just trying to sell

something; or makes claims that this is the only way to intervene or

will " cure " autism. I stay away from marketing and just read the

actual biomedical information.

(books, supplements, etc), it's hard to know who you can

> believe.

Trust your instincts about what might be right for your family.

That's often clearer than trying to make sense of the marketing.

> I believe we are fighting yeast or a fungus in our family. My 3yo

> gets diaper rashes that don't clear up with anything except

Lamisil

> now - and when I was nursing him, that was the only thing that

> helped when I started feeling that painful, itchy, burning feeling

> on my breasts (a 30-day course of diflucan apparently did

nothing).

My son nursed for 3 years. He gave me thrush twice a month, but his

yeast tests always came back negative. You might have had contact

thrush from his mouth rather than your own systemic infection. I'm

not aware that diflucan treats it on your skin, although in theory I

suppose it should've cleared up anything. I used Nystatin cream.

> So whatever this stuff is, it's tough.

>

> At this point, we have enough symptoms that we pretty clearly need

> to treat the whole family. In the past I have tried GSE (worked

> pretty well), olive leaf extract (oldest son reacted badly to it),

> oil of oregano (worked pretty well) and caprylic acid (seemed to

> have no effect). Are garlic & cranberry extract worth a darn for

> yeast-type infections?

We had the exact same experiences here with the above supps. My son

does best on Nystatin and an occasional drop of GSE. Too much GSE -

even 2 drops daily - appears to give him bacterial overgrowth very

quickly. Transdermal works well for my kids, in their ears or nose

when they have actual symptoms there, and otherwise I apply a few

drops, diluted with warm water or olive oil, on their arms.

>

> We are awaiting results of some lab tests, but I do have the IgG

> tests back for 3 of my kids. We need to avoid all dairy, all

wheat

> & some relatives, eggs, almonds & citrus. I am assuming the

citrus

> reaction would eliminate GSE as an option.

My kids can't tolerate citrus at all, but my son is ok with 1-2

drops GSE every so often; my daughter is not. If it's anaphylaxis,

you probably don't want to try that.

>

> We are currently taking 1 capsule of Natrol's purified fish oil AM

&

> PM (the EFA thread has me pretty confused, too, because I haven't

> been able to follow it all) & all 3 Houston enzymes. I am

> struggling to figure out whether to add another enzyme

specifically

> for yeast and then what probiotic would be the best way to go and

> how much can I get away with so they can overwhelm the bad guys

> asap?

No Fenol is great for yeast. You can add it without food, just 1

capsule in the morning. You can also give it with some of the anti

yeast supps to help tolerate them AND help kill yeast. It has

cleared up my daughter's yeast better than anything. It's all she

takes now - 4 caps a day and she's only 4 - it pretty much keeps it

under control even with " regular " preschool snacks 5 days a week.

My kids take Houston chewable probiotics occasionally, but they do

not tolerate them more than 1-2 times a week. They also don't

tolerate EFAs, thus far.

>

> I need to get us going on an elimination/ rotation diet but I am

not

> much of a cook. We eat out a lot and I use a lot of convenience

> foods and we have never been big veggie eaters. (The idea of

> veggies with butter or cheese melted on them was kind of

tolerable,

> but now we don't even have that option) And even with all those

> cheats, I still have dirty dishes piled up in my kitchen and can't

> seem to keep up with them.

I also do not have a lot of time to cook. My son eats a lot of

bread & poultry sandwiches, some types of health food chips, pasta,

and sugar free muffins and cookies that I make. I usually take 2

Sundays a month and make huge amounts of muffins and cookies so he

can have them made with Stevia (and freeze them). For convenience

foods I get applegate farms hot dogs, lunch meat and breakfast meats

for him. It is hard not going out a lot because we are very active

and used to always stop for hamburgers but not giving him the white

restaurant bread, and all the ingredients they use that I would

rather not have him eating, all the time has made a huge difference

for yeast. He only eats sourdough or otherwise less-yeasty bread. We

take a big thermal thing of sandwiches etc. everywhere we go, and of

course, chewable enzymes. Try paper plates, for the dishes.

>

> I am 6 mos pregnant, homeschooling 3 of my 4 kids, and feeling

tired

> a lot of the time (I'm sure fighting the yeast myself is not

helping

> that fatigue, either).

Wow.

>

> So I am begging those with the benefit of personal experience to

> share what you can with me! What specific, concrete things can/

> should I do for my family?

-DISPOSABLE DISHES.

-Lots of finger food like organic corn chips, sandwiches,

lunchmeat " rollups " on toothpicks, hamburgers, etc. that don't take

forever to make and no time at all to clean up.

-A second, freestanding freezer - especially for when the baby's

born.

-Make EVERYTHING in huge amounts. I make 3 lbs. of hamburgers at a

time and only 1.5 of us even eat them, 4 dozen muffins at least,

etc. I mix up a huge batch of dry and wet ingredients, then combine

them in a 3rd bowl to make different flavors of muffins, cookies,

etc. You can do weeks and weeks worth of baking and have

constant " fast " snack and breakfast foods available, on a really

intense baking day.

-Yeast can respond to different things and be fed by different

foods - every person and family is different. If you think your

kids are craving or overeating certain foods that feed yeast, as

hard as it is, replace it with something similar that won't have

that effect. Changing my kids diet, especially from eating out, was

very tough but it made no sense for us to keep eating that way and

trying to kill yeast a few hours later.

>

> Being pregnant eliminates most of the herbal options for myself, I

> believe. I'm afraid that using Oil of Oregano alone will lead to

> more tolerance by this bug and then we'll lose that option as well.

My kids were both born with thrush, and haven't really lost their

yeast problems since birth. If there's any way for you to deal with

yeast before the baby is born, do it now.

> And how do I get a picky 3yo to take oil of oregano? Even the

> capsules the rest of us take have a pretty strong smell and he

can't

> swallow a pill - there's no way I could give it to him as the oil

or

> mixed with something.

He might not be able to take it. My daughter is also picky and

although she tried very hard to take GSE, she'd end up throwing up

every time. For now, you might have to settle for what you can get

in him. Liquid nystatin is not ideal but it's usually all my

daughter can tolerate, taste-wise and without making her sick.

All these " challenges " are feeling beyond my

> ability to deal with right now & that's just one more straw added

to

> this whole stressful mess!

In our house, when any one of us has yeast, life can be intolerable;

or at least, it definitely seems that way. Try to remember really

bad yeast, either in you or one of your kids, can alter your

perception of how manageable things are at any given moment. On the

other hand though, you are dealing with a lot more than even most of

us......I hope things get better.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hello, every person here is on the learning curve. I say now what

works for one will work for about 50% only beacuse of what has

been " fix " or addressed previose to that point. Yeast has to be one

of the first to be addressed. I used this paper

http://puterakembara.org/rm/Dr_Jepson.pdf

as a guide when starting out..use your feelings as to where to

start and start researching the next " fix " it item 2 weeks after

starting a treatment for one...be prepared for " fixing " around 10

things in a row before you get your child on a healthy road. I can

not stress enough to listen to your thoughts you know your child the

best... I have been sitting with a doctor having him explain this

and that to me knowing all the time that treatment would be to

invasive for my child to handle, mothers know this.... some times

we don't listen to that little voice when we should. You are on a

long road but it is worth it in the end. The gut has to be healed

before you can stop thinking about what diet to do. I found that

what ever I changed my son food to, would then be the problem food

until I healed the leaky gut. Enzymes are important for this

healing, have you been reading at s web page

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtaloe.htm I am a big fan of aloe.

I wish I could come stay with your kids for a few hours a day so

you could get some rest, I don't suppose you live in Michigan do

you? Well, I will pray that you have all you own needs taken care

of. As Always My 2 Cents Ann

[Guest guest]

>>Has anyone out there tried ThreeLac or the Special Foods

> Diet? (They look terribly expensive!)

I used Special Foods Diet for about 4 months. VERY expensive! And my

son still did not tolerate most of the foods. Then HNI enzymes came

out, and I had much success, altho I did have to rotate foods to learn

what he tolerated with enzymes and what he still needed removed.

>>Are garlic & cranberry extract worth a darn for

> yeast-type infections?

For my son, garlic was " okay " . Be sure it is raw, cooked garlic is

not effective.

Cranberry is good for bad bacteria problems, I never saw anything

beneficial for yeast.

> We are currently taking 1 capsule of Natrol's purified fish oil AM &

> PM (the EFA thread has me pretty confused, too, because I haven't

> been able to follow it all) & all 3 Houston enzymes. I am

> struggling to figure out whether to add another enzyme specifically

> for yeast

Giving No-Fenol apart from food worked well for my kids to keep yeast

under control. You can mix it into a little peanut butter or honey,

that worked for me.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm a homeschool mom with 4 of my 6 still at home, so I can relate to what you

are going through.

First of all, like someone else said, use paper plates!!! We finally started

doing this because at one time there were 8 of us in the house, and one meal can

fill up the dishwasher. I really don't know if it's cheaper in the long run to

use paper plates or use the dishwasher, but my sanity is worth whatever it

costs. Make sure the children have one cup that they use all day for drinks--I

bought color coded cups--blue for one child, red for another, etc. You could

even use disposable cups they can write their names on and use all day.

We tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for awhile, and it did help a lot, but

was expensive and very mom-intensive because I had to cook every meal. We

switched to Houston's Enzymes, and while the results are slower, it is so much

easier/simpler.

For meals, if you do not have the energy to do a lot of cooking ahead as

someone suggested, just keep the meals very simple. One thing I learned from

SCD is to have very simple meals--some type of meat and veggies. I remember

that your family does not like veggies much--I've been trying to think of

something you can put on them besides cheese and butter. At first I thought of

lemon juice, but I think you said you have to avoid citrus. Italian seasoning

is one good choice. If you have a local health food store, check out their

butter substitutes--they might have something with ingredients that are safe for

your family. They usually also carry gluten-free waffles--we buy the

blueberry flavor ones--they are tasty, and a nice quick breakfast.

Hoping you find some help in all the replies--I'm praying for you!

[Guest guest]

As for getting your child to take a supplement, when I first began all this,

a few months ago, I was getting advice from a mom who has been doing this

for years. She gives her child massive amounts of supplements a day, and she

takes a syringe, fills it about half full with water, loads some supplements

in it, shakes it good, and- a quick squirt down his throat. At first, I felt

mean doing that because it tastes gross, so I tried all the other ways-

mixing it in juice, taking a spoon and putting on some syrup, or ketchup, or

whatever, and mixing the supplements/enzymes in it and one quick bite- that

worked OK. But it took me 5 minutes to get it ready. Then, I tried a

syringe- put in some choc. milk, or juice, the supplements/enzymes and sqirt

down his throat- quick and easy. Have a glass of something handy for them to

sip after. You have to push hard to sqirt it down fast- by the time they

taste it, they've already swallowed it, and that's the nicest way you can do

it- quick. Hope that helps, that's just what I do.

On 1/10/06, Maxwell <maxhouse8@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I'm a homeschool mom with 4 of my 6 still at home, so I can relate to

> what you are going through.

>

> First of all, like someone else said, use paper plates!!! We finally

> started doing this because at one time there were 8 of us in the house, and

> one meal can fill up the dishwasher. I really don't know if it's cheaper

> in the long run to use paper plates or use the dishwasher, but my sanity is

> worth whatever it costs. Make sure the children have one cup that they use

> all day for drinks--I bought color coded cups--blue for one child, red for

> another, etc. You could even use disposable cups they can write their names

> on and use all day.

>

> We tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for awhile, and it did help a

> lot, but was expensive and very mom-intensive because I had to cook every

> meal. We switched to Houston's Enzymes, and while the results are slower,

> it is so much easier/simpler.

>

> For meals, if you do not have the energy to do a lot of cooking ahead as

> someone suggested, just keep the meals very simple. One thing I learned

> from SCD is to have very simple meals--some type of meat and veggies. I

> remember that your family does not like veggies much--I've been trying to

> think of something you can put on them besides cheese and butter. At first

> I thought of lemon juice, but I think you said you have to avoid citrus.

> Italian seasoning is one good choice. If you have a local health food

> store, check out their butter substitutes--they might have something with

> ingredients that are safe for your family. They usually also carry

> gluten-free waffles--we buy the blueberry flavor ones--they are tasty, and a

> nice quick breakfast.

>

> Hoping you find some help in all the replies--I'm praying for you!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As for getting your children to eat veggies without butter or cheese, you

are talking to a mom who has just finished her 4 yr old asd son on

a complete elimination chicken and potato diet. I just started

re-introducing new foods. He is now eating chicken, pinto beans, chick peas,

pears, and yellow beans. Try making those taste good- you get creative!! I

find if I fry anything in a little olive oil nice and crispy with some sea

salt- it tastes good- even the bland beans. If you can't heat your oil,

toss them in olive oil, with sea salt- it's not that bad. Carbonated mineral

water mixed with fruit juice makes a good pop sub. Fruit juice mixed half

with water put in ice cube trays with a popsicle stick makes a nice treat.

I could go on and on... Amber.

On 1/10/06, Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

>

> As for getting your child to take a supplement, when I first began all

> this, a few months ago, I was getting advice from a mom who has been doing

> this for years. She gives her child massive amounts of supplements a day,

> and she takes a syringe, fills it about half full with water, loads some

> supplements in it, shakes it good, and- a quick squirt down his throat. At

> first, I felt mean doing that because it tastes gross, so I tried all the

> other ways- mixing it in juice, taking a spoon and putting on some syrup, or

> ketchup, or whatever, and mixing the supplements/enzymes in it and one quick

> bite- that worked OK. But it took me 5 minutes to get it ready. Then, I

> tried a syringe- put in some choc. milk, or juice, the supplements/enzymes

> and sqirt down his throat- quick and easy. Have a glass of something handy

> for them to sip after. You have to push hard to sqirt it down fast- by the

> time they taste it, they've already swallowed it, and that's the nicest way

> you can do it- quick. Hope that helps, that's just what I do.

>

> On 1/10/06, Maxwell <maxhouse8@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm a homeschool mom with 4 of my 6 still at home, so I can relate to

> > what you are going through.

> >

> > First of all, like someone else said, use paper plates!!! We finally

> > started doing this because at one time there were 8 of us in the house, and

> > one meal can fill up the dishwasher. I really don't know if it's cheaper

> > in the long run to use paper plates or use the dishwasher, but my sanity is

> > worth whatever it costs. Make sure the children have one cup that they use

> > all day for drinks--I bought color coded cups--blue for one child, red for

> > another, etc. You could even use disposable cups they can write their names

> > on and use all day.

> >

> > We tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for awhile, and it did help a

> > lot, but was expensive and very mom-intensive because I had to cook every

> > meal. We switched to Houston's Enzymes, and while the results are slower,

> > it is so much easier/simpler.

> >

> > For meals, if you do not have the energy to do a lot of cooking ahead

> > as someone suggested, just keep the meals very simple. One thing I learned

> > from SCD is to have very simple meals--some type of meat and veggies. I

> > remember that your family does not like veggies much--I've been trying to

> > think of something you can put on them besides cheese and butter. At first

> > I thought of lemon juice, but I think you said you have to avoid citrus.

> > Italian seasoning is one good choice. If you have a local health food

> > store, check out their butter substitutes--they might have something with

> > ingredients that are safe for your family. They usually also carry

> > gluten-free waffles--we buy the blueberry flavor ones--they are tasty, and a

> > nice quick breakfast.

> >

> > Hoping you find some help in all the replies--I'm praying for you!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

PS one more thing about vegetables - my son won't touch them. His

first sentence was when I'd put a piece of broccoli on his plate and

he handed it back to me, looked at me with disgust and said, " goodbye,

tree. " I grind up zucchini and carrots and put them in muffins. He

will also eat tiny amounts of them if they're chopped extremely finely

in the food processor and small amounts sprinkled on pasta with olive

oil and salt. I don't know if they're still selling " Sprinkles "

online, but they were natural, dried vegetables that you could shake

onto your food - they were great for my kids also.

My daughter will eat veggies if there's dip - it doesn't have to be

sugary or feed yeast, as long as you can dip it. Can you use nut

butters, soy yogurt, or soynut butter for that?

I use a nutrition calculator and it seems my son is getting a lot of

nutrients from his high-poultry diet - he doesn't show up as deficient

as much as I would have thought, with so few vegetables. You can also

put minerals right into recipes, like the powdered calcium from

Kirkmans - some supps actually will still be effective after cooking

(I think it might only be certain minerals though.) I make zinc and

magnesium muffins too. (Just label them as such, because my son's

minerals can get too high, so you'd want to know when you're giving

supps in baked goods.)

Have you considered having the kids help with cooking as part of a

science or chemistry unit? I don't know how old they are or how high

functioning, but my daughter enjoys this sometimes.

Amy

[Guest guest]

I also thought that maybe you can find a salad dressing at a health food store

that does not have any bad ingredients and use it on veggies to get your family

to eat them.

BTW--the " goodbye, tree " comment made me laugh! Thanks for sharing that.

noahsmom7898 <noahsmom7898@...> wrote:

PS one more thing about vegetables - my son won't touch them. His

first sentence was when I'd put a piece of broccoli on his plate and

he handed it back to me, looked at me with disgust and said, " goodbye,

tree. "

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone so much for all the helpful and supportive

replies! I told my DH that I had decided to ask the people here

because I figured that I had a better chance of getting honest help

instead of more conflicting info & confusing sales pitches and you all

have been a light in my darkness! God bless everyone of you!

Tomorrow I am off to explore a local health food store and some

neighboring grocery stores to see what I can get locally and compare

it with what is available online as I get back to work on formulating

a plan for our family. Thanks again!

~Grace

(The broccoli tree comment had me laughing out loud, too!)

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ann,I meet many who are under the impression that using

enzymes is a substitute for following some restrictions, when in

reality, as you know, it is a partnership of diet and enzymes to heal

the gut. Without the healing, it is just one big loop. My grandson,

age 3, Dx autism has been Gf/CF/SF/corn, yeast, egg, refined sugar

free, as well as without pinto, navy and kidney beans for about 18

months. The enzymes and the diet are just NOW producing daily WOWs in

his behavior, attention and development, because the healing has

taken place, having moved him gradually from an 18-24 month delay to

a 6-12 month delay.

I think, in many ways, accepting a slower process instead of a magic

bullet helps with social awareness and observation on the part of the

child. There are so many things they don't learn from simple

imitation of others that I see parents with a push fast agenda

struggling with the finer points after the Dx is changed (lessened),

and not knowing what treatments can be lessened or even discontinued

without risk of upsetting the applecart all over again.

IMHO, we all began this journey with someone telling us our child

would " never... " . In comparison to never, a year or two to be gentle

and thorough is but a breath of wind in its passing.

V

>

> Hello, every person here is on the learning curve. I say now what

> works for one will work for about 50% only beacuse of what has

> been " fix " or addressed previose to that point. Yeast has to be

one

> of the first to be addressed. I used this paper

> http://puterakembara.org/rm/Dr_Jepson.pdf

> as a guide when starting out..use your feelings as to where to

> start and start researching the next " fix " it item 2 weeks after

> starting a treatment for one...be prepared for " fixing " around 10

> things in a row before you get your child on a healthy road. I can

> not stress enough to listen to your thoughts you know your child

the

> best... I have been sitting with a doctor having him explain this

> and that to me knowing all the time that treatment would be to

> invasive for my child to handle, mothers know this.... some times

> we don't listen to that little voice when we should. You are on a

> long road but it is worth it in the end. The gut has to be healed

> before you can stop thinking about what diet to do. I found that

> what ever I changed my son food to, would then be the problem food

> until I healed the leaky gut. Enzymes are important for this

> healing, have you been reading at s web page

> http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtaloe.htm I am a big fan of aloe.

> I wish I could come stay with your kids for a few hours a day so

> you could get some rest, I don't suppose you live in Michigan do

> you? Well, I will pray that you have all you own needs taken

care

> of. As Always My 2 Cents Ann

>

[Guest guest]

I can only comment about the Threelac. It is the only thing that

has seemed to reduce and at times remove my daughter's yeast

behaviors. For her she acts like a sloppy drunk. Everything else

I ever gave her seemed to make things worse: GFSE, Caprylic acid,

Candex. Now with the Threelac she can take Candex without the drunk

behavior. ONly problem is it seems like I have to keep upping the

dose or I have found if I stop it for a few days and then begin

again at the lower dose. It is expensive but you can shop around

and get it for $49.95 and free shipping. Sorry that is all I have

to offer. Joanna

> The more I try to research things, the more confused I get. There

> are so many different claims & opinions & options out there and

with

> most of the people making them standing to gain financially in

some

> way (books, supplements, etc), it's hard to know who you can

> believe. Has anyone out there tried ThreeLac or the Special Foods

> Diet? (They look terribly expensive!)

>

> I believe we are fighting yeast or a fungus in our family. My 3yo

> gets diaper rashes that don't clear up with anything except

Lamisil

> now - and when I was nursing him, that was the only thing that

> helped when I started feeling that painful, itchy, burning feeling

> on my breasts (a 30-day course of diflucan apparently did

nothing).

> So whatever this stuff is, it's tough.

>

> At this point, we have enough symptoms that we pretty clearly need

> to treat the whole family. In the past I have tried GSE (worked

> pretty well), olive leaf extract (oldest son reacted badly to it),

> oil of oregano (worked pretty well) and caprylic acid (seemed to

> have no effect). Are garlic & cranberry extract worth a darn for

> yeast-type infections?

>

> We are awaiting results of some lab tests, but I do have the IgG

> tests back for 3 of my kids. We need to avoid all dairy, all

wheat

> & some relatives, eggs, almonds & citrus. I am assuming the

citrus

> reaction would eliminate GSE as an option.

>

> We are currently taking 1 capsule of Natrol's purified fish oil AM

&

> PM (the EFA thread has me pretty confused, too, because I haven't

> been able to follow it all) & all 3 Houston enzymes. I am

> struggling to figure out whether to add another enzyme

specifically

> for yeast and then what probiotic would be the best way to go and

> how much can I get away with so they can overwhelm the bad guys

> asap?

>

> I need to get us going on an elimination/ rotation diet but I am

not

> much of a cook. We eat out a lot and I use a lot of convenience

> foods and we have never been big veggie eaters. (The idea of

> veggies with butter or cheese melted on them was kind of

tolerable,

> but now we don't even have that option) And even with all those

> cheats, I still have dirty dishes piled up in my kitchen and can't

> seem to keep up with them.

>

> I am 6 mos pregnant, homeschooling 3 of my 4 kids, and feeling

tired

> a lot of the time (I'm sure fighting the yeast myself is not

helping

> that fatigue, either).

>

> So I am begging those with the benefit of personal experience to

> share what you can with me! What specific, concrete things can/

> should I do for my family?

>

> Being pregnant eliminates most of the herbal options for myself, I

> believe. I'm afraid that using Oil of Oregano alone will lead to

> more tolerance by this bug and then we'll lose that option as well.

>

> And how do I get a picky 3yo to take oil of oregano? Even the

> capsules the rest of us take have a pretty strong smell and he

can't

> swallow a pill - there's no way I could give it to him as the oil

or

> mixed with something. All these " challenges " are feeling beyond

my

> ability to deal with right now & that's just one more straw added

to

> this whole stressful mess!

>

[Guest guest]

actually i have noticed this wih the threelac too - in that we are

up to 2 pkts a day fpr both boys but i missed the morning dose and

his behaviour was off the wall - when i gave it to him an hr or so

later he visibly calmed - weve only been on it a short while so im

quite stunned as his behaviours still appeared hard going but it had

actually been improved upon in just a more subtle way than i had

realised

hth

emma

> I can only comment about the Threelac. It is the only thing that

> has seemed to reduce and at times remove my daughter's yeast

> behaviors. For her she acts like a sloppy drunk. Everything

else

> I ever gave her seemed to make things worse: GFSE, Caprylic acid,

> Candex. Now with the Threelac she can take Candex without the

drunk

> behavior. ONly problem is it seems like I have to keep upping

the

> dose or I have found if I stop it for a few days and then begin

> again at the lower dose. It is expensive but you can shop around

> and get it for $49.95 and free shipping. Sorry that is all I have

> to offer. Joanna

>

> > The more I try to research things, the more confused I get.

There

> > are so many different claims & opinions & options out there and

> with

> > most of the people making them standing to gain financially in

> some

> > way (books, supplements, etc), it's hard to know who you can

> > believe. Has anyone out there tried ThreeLac or the Special

Foods

> > Diet? (They look terribly expensive!)

> >

> > I believe we are fighting yeast or a fungus in our family. My

3yo

> > gets diaper rashes that don't clear up with anything except

> Lamisil

> > now - and when I was nursing him, that was the only thing that

> > helped when I started feeling that painful, itchy, burning

feeling

> > on my breasts (a 30-day course of diflucan apparently did

> nothing).

> > So whatever this stuff is, it's tough.

> >

> > At this point, we have enough symptoms that we pretty clearly

need

> > to treat the whole family. In the past I have tried GSE (worked

> > pretty well), olive leaf extract (oldest son reacted badly to

it),

> > oil of oregano (worked pretty well) and caprylic acid (seemed to

> > have no effect). Are garlic & cranberry extract worth a darn

for

> > yeast-type infections?

> >

> > We are awaiting results of some lab tests, but I do have the IgG

> > tests back for 3 of my kids. We need to avoid all dairy, all

> wheat

> > & some relatives, eggs, almonds & citrus. I am assuming the

> citrus

> > reaction would eliminate GSE as an option.

> >

> > We are currently taking 1 capsule of Natrol's purified fish oil

AM

> &

> > PM (the EFA thread has me pretty confused, too, because I

haven't

> > been able to follow it all) & all 3 Houston enzymes. I am

> > struggling to figure out whether to add another enzyme

> specifically

> > for yeast and then what probiotic would be the best way to go

and

> > how much can I get away with so they can overwhelm the bad guys

> > asap?

> >

> > I need to get us going on an elimination/ rotation diet but I am

> not

> > much of a cook. We eat out a lot and I use a lot of convenience

> > foods and we have never been big veggie eaters. (The idea of

> > veggies with butter or cheese melted on them was kind of

> tolerable,

> > but now we don't even have that option) And even with all those

> > cheats, I still have dirty dishes piled up in my kitchen and

can't

> > seem to keep up with them.

> >

> > I am 6 mos pregnant, homeschooling 3 of my 4 kids, and feeling

> tired

> > a lot of the time (I'm sure fighting the yeast myself is not

> helping

> > that fatigue, either).

> >

> > So I am begging those with the benefit of personal experience to

> > share what you can with me! What specific, concrete things can/

> > should I do for my family?

> >

> > Being pregnant eliminates most of the herbal options for myself,

I

> > believe. I'm afraid that using Oil of Oregano alone will lead

to

> > more tolerance by this bug and then we'll lose that option as

well.

> >

> > And how do I get a picky 3yo to take oil of oregano? Even the

> > capsules the rest of us take have a pretty strong smell and he

> can't

> > swallow a pill - there's no way I could give it to him as the

oil

> or

> > mixed with something. All these " challenges " are feeling beyond

> my

> > ability to deal with right now & that's just one more straw

added

> to

> > this whole stressful mess!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi V,

Just curious, what is the matter with pinto, navy, and kidney beans?????

I've never heard anything bad about them, so I'm just wondering???

Amber.

On 1/10/06, lanika200000 <westwind@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Ann,I meet many who are under the impression that using

> enzymes is a substitute for following some restrictions, when in

> reality, as you know, it is a partnership of diet and enzymes to heal

> the gut. Without the healing, it is just one big loop. My grandson,

> age 3, Dx autism has been Gf/CF/SF/corn, yeast, egg, refined sugar

> free, as well as without pinto, navy and kidney beans for about 18

> months. The enzymes and the diet are just NOW producing daily WOWs in

> his behavior, attention and development, because the healing has

> taken place, having moved him gradually from an 18-24 month delay to

> a 6-12 month delay.

>

> I think, in many ways, accepting a slower process instead of a magic

> bullet helps with social awareness and observation on the part of the

> child. There are so many things they don't learn from simple

> imitation of others that I see parents with a push fast agenda

> struggling with the finer points after the Dx is changed (lessened),

> and not knowing what treatments can be lessened or even discontinued

> without risk of upsetting the applecart all over again.

>

> IMHO, we all began this journey with someone telling us our child

> would " never... " . In comparison to never, a year or two to be gentle

> and thorough is but a breath of wind in its passing.

>

> V

>

>

> >

> > Hello, every person here is on the learning curve. I say now what

> > works for one will work for about 50% only beacuse of what has

> > been " fix " or addressed previose to that point. Yeast has to be

> one

> > of the first to be addressed. I used this paper

> > http://puterakembara.org/rm/Dr_Jepson.pdf

> > as a guide when starting out..use your feelings as to where to

> > start and start researching the next " fix " it item 2 weeks after

> > starting a treatment for one...be prepared for " fixing " around 10

> > things in a row before you get your child on a healthy road. I can

> > not stress enough to listen to your thoughts you know your child

> the

> > best... I have been sitting with a doctor having him explain this

> > and that to me knowing all the time that treatment would be to

> > invasive for my child to handle, mothers know this.... some times

> > we don't listen to that little voice when we should. You are on a

> > long road but it is worth it in the end. The gut has to be healed

> > before you can stop thinking about what diet to do. I found that

> > what ever I changed my son food to, would then be the problem food

> > until I healed the leaky gut. Enzymes are important for this

> > healing, have you been reading at s web page

> > http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtaloe.htm I am a big fan of aloe.

> > I wish I could come stay with your kids for a few hours a day so

> > you could get some rest, I don't suppose you live in Michigan do

> > you? Well, I will pray that you have all you own needs taken

> care

> > of. As Always My 2 Cents Ann

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amber,

Thank you for this post. I was wondering about how you get him to go through

illumination diets so easily and frequently. I do try to make everything taste

good. My child only eats falt , crispy stuff, so everything need to look like

some form of chips. On the weekend I smoke chicken and fish, then I slice them

thin and fry it in coconut oil. This way he gets lots of protein. Any idea how

I can get vegies in him. They have to look just like chips.

You must be an amazing cook. Please help me expand the crispy crunchy menu

here.

Thanx,

Haleh

--- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

> As for getting your children to eat veggies without butter or cheese, you

> are talking to a mom who has just finished her 4 yr old asd son on

> a complete elimination chicken and potato diet. I just started

> re-introducing new foods. He is now eating chicken, pinto beans, chick peas,

> pears, and yellow beans. Try making those taste good- you get creative!! I

> find if I fry anything in a little olive oil nice and crispy with some sea

> salt- it tastes good- even the bland beans. If you can't heat your oil,

> toss them in olive oil, with sea salt- it's not that bad. Carbonated mineral

> water mixed with fruit juice makes a good pop sub. Fruit juice mixed half

> with water put in ice cube trays with a popsicle stick makes a nice treat.

> I could go on and on... Amber.

> On 1/10/06, Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

> >

> > As for getting your child to take a supplement, when I first began all

> > this, a few months ago, I was getting advice from a mom who has been doing

> > this for years. She gives her child massive amounts of supplements a day,

> > and she takes a syringe, fills it about half full with water, loads some

> > supplements in it, shakes it good, and- a quick squirt down his throat. At

> > first, I felt mean doing that because it tastes gross, so I tried all the

> > other ways- mixing it in juice, taking a spoon and putting on some syrup,

> or

> > ketchup, or whatever, and mixing the supplements/enzymes in it and one

> quick

> > bite- that worked OK. But it took me 5 minutes to get it ready. Then, I

> > tried a syringe- put in some choc. milk, or juice, the supplements/enzymes

> > and sqirt down his throat- quick and easy. Have a glass of something handy

> > for them to sip after. You have to push hard to sqirt it down fast- by the

> > time they taste it, they've already swallowed it, and that's the nicest

> way

> > you can do it- quick. Hope that helps, that's just what I do.

> >

> > On 1/10/06, Maxwell <maxhouse8@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I'm a homeschool mom with 4 of my 6 still at home, so I can relate to

> > > what you are going through.

> > >

> > > First of all, like someone else said, use paper plates!!! We finally

> > > started doing this because at one time there were 8 of us in the house,

> and

> > > one meal can fill up the dishwasher. I really don't know if it's

> cheaper

> > > in the long run to use paper plates or use the dishwasher, but my sanity

> is

> > > worth whatever it costs. Make sure the children have one cup that they

> use

> > > all day for drinks--I bought color coded cups--blue for one child, red

> for

> > > another, etc. You could even use disposable cups they can write their

> names

> > > on and use all day.

> > >

> > > We tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for awhile, and it did help a

> > > lot, but was expensive and very mom-intensive because I had to cook

> every

> > > meal. We switched to Houston's Enzymes, and while the results are

> slower,

> > > it is so much easier/simpler.

> > >

> > > For meals, if you do not have the energy to do a lot of cooking ahead

> > > as someone suggested, just keep the meals very simple. One thing I

> learned

> > > from SCD is to have very simple meals--some type of meat and veggies. I

> > > remember that your family does not like veggies much--I've been trying

> to

> > > think of something you can put on them besides cheese and butter. At

> first

> > > I thought of lemon juice, but I think you said you have to avoid citrus.

> > > Italian seasoning is one good choice. If you have a local health food

> > > store, check out their butter substitutes--they might have something

> with

> > > ingredients that are safe for your family. They usually also carry

> > > gluten-free waffles--we buy the blueberry flavor ones--they are tasty,

> and a

> > > nice quick breakfast.

> > >

> > > Hoping you find some help in all the replies--I'm praying for you!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Haleh, you're so sweet- you make me laugh.

As a cook, I am less than amazing, believe me. I am very fortunate to have a

husband and children that aren't picky eaters- otherwise they'd starve.

When was only eating chicken and potatoes, we would buy whole chickens,

even cheapy frying chickens.

We would bake them, take the meat off of the carcass, put water in and boil

it for awhile. My husband would take a sauce pan, put in a little olive

oil, and some sea salt and heat it. Then he would whisk in a couple of

tablespoons of potato flour, or buckwheat flour, or sorghum flour Any kind

would work. Then heat up the chicken juice and pour in the sauce pan- gravy.

We put that on everything ate- he liked it.

My daughter loves mashed potatoes and gravy, so I cook her veggies good and

soft, and mash them in her potatoes and gravy so she doesn't know they are

there. My oldest loves my stew, so I can put any veggies in that and he'll

eat them.

You can slice veggies and put them in a food dehydrator and make veggie

chips. Or if you don't have a food dehydrator, you can put your oven on a

low temperature,take an oiled cookie sheet, put your sliced sea salted

veggies on it, and put them in the oven for a few hours- till they are dried

out as you want them.

I have to go for now, my husband is juggling my screaming and Lucy, so

I have to help him. I'll think about it, if I think of anything else that

might help you, I'll e-mail you. Amber.

On 1/12/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote:

>

> Amber,

> Thank you for this post. I was wondering about how you get him to go

> through

> illumination diets so easily and frequently. I do try to make everything

> taste

> good. My child only eats falt , crispy stuff, so everything need to look

> like

> some form of chips. On the weekend I smoke chicken and fish, then I slice

> them

> thin and fry it in coconut oil. This way he gets lots of protein. Any idea

> how

> I can get vegies in him. They have to look just like chips.

> You must be an amazing cook. Please help me expand the crispy crunchy menu

> here.

> Thanx,

> Haleh

>

> --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

>

> > As for getting your children to eat veggies without butter or cheese,

> you

> > are talking to a mom who has just finished her 4 yr old asd son on

> > a complete elimination chicken and potato diet. I just started

> > re-introducing new foods. He is now eating chicken, pinto beans, chick

> peas,

> > pears, and yellow beans. Try making those taste good- you get creative!!

> I

> > find if I fry anything in a little olive oil nice and crispy with some

> sea

> > salt- it tastes good- even the bland beans. If you can't heat your oil,

> > toss them in olive oil, with sea salt- it's not that bad. Carbonated

> mineral

> > water mixed with fruit juice makes a good pop sub. Fruit juice mixed

> half

> > with water put in ice cube trays with a popsicle stick makes a nice

> treat.

> > I could go on and on... Amber.

> > On 1/10/06, Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > As for getting your child to take a supplement, when I first began all

> > > this, a few months ago, I was getting advice from a mom who has been

> doing

> > > this for years. She gives her child massive amounts of supplements a

> day,

> > > and she takes a syringe, fills it about half full with water, loads

> some

> > > supplements in it, shakes it good, and- a quick squirt down his

> throat. At

> > > first, I felt mean doing that because it tastes gross, so I tried all

> the

> > > other ways- mixing it in juice, taking a spoon and putting on some

> syrup,

> > or

> > > ketchup, or whatever, and mixing the supplements/enzymes in it and one

> > quick

> > > bite- that worked OK. But it took me 5 minutes to get it ready. Then,

> I

> > > tried a syringe- put in some choc. milk, or juice, the

> supplements/enzymes

> > > and sqirt down his throat- quick and easy. Have a glass of something

> handy

> > > for them to sip after. You have to push hard to sqirt it down fast- by

> the

> > > time they taste it, they've already swallowed it, and that's the

> nicest

> > way

> > > you can do it- quick. Hope that helps, that's just what I do.

> > >

> > > On 1/10/06, Maxwell <maxhouse8@...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > > I'm a homeschool mom with 4 of my 6 still at home, so I can relate

> to

> > > > what you are going through.

> > > >

> > > > First of all, like someone else said, use paper plates!!! We

> finally

> > > > started doing this because at one time there were 8 of us in the

> house,

> > and

> > > > one meal can fill up the dishwasher. I really don't know if it's

> > cheaper

> > > > in the long run to use paper plates or use the dishwasher, but my

> sanity

> > is

> > > > worth whatever it costs. Make sure the children have one cup that

> they

> > use

> > > > all day for drinks--I bought color coded cups--blue for one child,

> red

> > for

> > > > another, etc. You could even use disposable cups they can write

> their

> > names

> > > > on and use all day.

> > > >

> > > > We tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for awhile, and it did

> help a

> > > > lot, but was expensive and very mom-intensive because I had to cook

> > every

> > > > meal. We switched to Houston's Enzymes, and while the results are

> > slower,

> > > > it is so much easier/simpler.

> > > >

> > > > For meals, if you do not have the energy to do a lot of cooking

> ahead

> > > > as someone suggested, just keep the meals very simple. One thing I

> > learned

> > > > from SCD is to have very simple meals--some type of meat and

> veggies. I

> > > > remember that your family does not like veggies much--I've been

> trying

> > to

> > > > think of something you can put on them besides cheese and butter.

> At

> > first

> > > > I thought of lemon juice, but I think you said you have to avoid

> citrus.

> > > > Italian seasoning is one good choice. If you have a local health

> food

> > > > store, check out their butter substitutes--they might have something

> > with

> > > > ingredients that are safe for your family. They usually also

> carry

> > > > gluten-free waffles--we buy the blueberry flavor ones--they are

> tasty,

> > and a

> > > > nice quick breakfast.

> > > >

> > > > Hoping you find some help in all the replies--I'm praying for you!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Haleh, I don't know if you're interested in the dehydrating veggies to

make veggie chips idea or not, but if you are, I should mention that before

you dehydrate certain veggies, you may need to ' blanch ' them, first. This

means you steam them until they are heated through, but not cooked. They

should still be crunchy. I haven't tried dehydrated veggies yet, but I plan

to. Lots of sea salt will make them more like a snack. Some of the veggies

that you may need to blanch are:

broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, celery, potatoes. I wish I had tried these

already, so I could tell you exactly what to do. Like, I said, if I think of

anything else that is a good, tasy idea, I'll let you know. Amber.

On 1/12/06, Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

>

> Haleh, you're so sweet- you make me laugh.

> As a cook, I am less than amazing, believe me. I am very fortunate to have

> a husband and children that aren't picky eaters- otherwise they'd starve.

> When was only eating chicken and potatoes, we would buy whole

> chickens, even cheapy frying chickens.

> We would bake them, take the meat off of the carcass, put water in and

> boil it for awhile. My husband would take a sauce pan, put in a little

> olive oil, and some sea salt and heat it. Then he would whisk in a couple of

> tablespoons of potato flour, or buckwheat flour, or sorghum flour Any kind

> would work. Then heat up the chicken juice and pour in the sauce pan- gravy.

> We put that on everything ate- he liked it.

> My daughter loves mashed potatoes and gravy, so I cook her veggies good

> and soft, and mash them in her potatoes and gravy so she doesn't know they

> are there. My oldest loves my stew, so I can put any veggies in that and

> he'll eat them.

> You can slice veggies and put them in a food dehydrator and make veggie

> chips. Or if you don't have a food dehydrator, you can put your oven on a

> low temperature,take an oiled cookie sheet, put your sliced sea salted

> veggies on it, and put them in the oven for a few hours- till they are dried

> out as you want them.

> I have to go for now, my husband is juggling my screaming and Lucy,

> so I have to help him. I'll think about it, if I think of anything else that

> might help you, I'll e-mail you. Amber.

>

>

> On 1/12/06, haleh niazmand <halniaz@...> wrote:

> >

> > Amber,

> > Thank you for this post. I was wondering about how you get him to go

> > through

> > illumination diets so easily and frequently. I do try to make everything

> > taste

> > good. My child only eats falt , crispy stuff, so everything need to look

> > like

> > some form of chips. On the weekend I smoke chicken and fish, then I

> > slice them

> > thin and fry it in coconut oil. This way he gets lots of protein. Any

> > idea how

> > I can get vegies in him. They have to look just like chips.

> > You must be an amazing cook. Please help me expand the crispy crunchy

> > menu

> > here.

> > Thanx,

> > Haleh

> >

> > --- Amber Eisler <eislerfamily@...> wrote:

> >

> > > As for getting your children to eat veggies without butter or cheese,

> > you

> > > are talking to a mom who has just finished her 4 yr old asd son on

> > > a complete elimination chicken and potato diet. I just started

> > > re-introducing new foods. He is now eating chicken, pinto beans, chick

> > peas,

> > > pears, and yellow beans. Try making those taste good- you get

> > creative!! I

> > > find if I fry anything in a little olive oil nice and crispy with some

> > sea

> > > salt- it tastes good- even the bland beans. If you can't heat your

> > oil,

> > > toss them in olive oil, with sea salt- it's not that bad. Carbonated

> > mineral

> > > water mixed with fruit juice makes a good pop sub. Fruit juice mixed

> > half

> > > with water put in ice cube trays with a popsicle stick makes a nice

> > treat.

> > > I could go on and on... Amber.

> > > On 1/10/06, Amber Eisler < eislerfamily@...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > As for getting your child to take a supplement, when I first began

> > all

> > > > this, a few months ago, I was getting advice from a mom who has been

> > doing

> > > > this for years. She gives her child massive amounts of supplements a

> > day,

> > > > and she takes a syringe, fills it about half full with water, loads

> > some

> > > > supplements in it, shakes it good, and- a quick squirt down his

> > throat. At

> > > > first, I felt mean doing that because it tastes gross, so I tried

> > all the

> > > > other ways- mixing it in juice, taking a spoon and putting on some

> > syrup,

> > > or

> > > > ketchup, or whatever, and mixing the supplements/enzymes in it and

> > one

> > > quick

> > > > bite- that worked OK. But it took me 5 minutes to get it ready.

> > Then, I

> > > > tried a syringe- put in some choc. milk, or juice, the

> > supplements/enzymes

> > > > and sqirt down his throat- quick and easy. Have a glass of something

> > handy

> > > > for them to sip after. You have to push hard to sqirt it down fast-

> > by the

> > > > time they taste it, they've already swallowed it, and that's the

> > nicest

> > > way

> > > > you can do it- quick. Hope that helps, that's just what I do.

> > > >

> > > > On 1/10/06, Maxwell <maxhouse8@...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > > I'm a homeschool mom with 4 of my 6 still at home, so I can

> > relate to

> > > > > what you are going through.

> > > > >

> > > > > First of all, like someone else said, use paper plates!!! We

> > finally

> > > > > started doing this because at one time there were 8 of us in the

> > house,

> > > and

> > > > > one meal can fill up the dishwasher. I really don't know if it's

> > > cheaper

> > > > > in the long run to use paper plates or use the dishwasher, but my

> > sanity

> > > is

> > > > > worth whatever it costs. Make sure the children have one cup that

> > they

> > > use

> > > > > all day for drinks--I bought color coded cups--blue for one child,

> > red

> > > for

> > > > > another, etc. You could even use disposable cups they can write

> > their

> > > names

> > > > > on and use all day.

> > > > >

> > > > > We tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for awhile, and it did

> > help a

> > > > > lot, but was expensive and very mom-intensive because I had to

> > cook

> > > every

> > > > > meal. We switched to Houston's Enzymes, and while the results are

> > > slower,

> > > > > it is so much easier/simpler.

> > > > >

> > > > > For meals, if you do not have the energy to do a lot of cooking

> > ahead

> > > > > as someone suggested, just keep the meals very simple. One thing

> > I

> > > learned

> > > > > from SCD is to have very simple meals--some type of meat and

> > veggies. I

> > > > > remember that your family does not like veggies much--I've been

> > trying

> > > to

> > > > > think of something you can put on them besides cheese and butter.

> > At

> > > first

> > > > > I thought of lemon juice, but I think you said you have to avoid

> > citrus.

> > > > > Italian seasoning is one good choice. If you have a local health

> > food

> > > > > store, check out their butter substitutes--they might have

> > something

> > > with

> > > > > ingredients that are safe for your family. They usually also

> > carry

> > > > > gluten-free waffles--we buy the blueberry flavor ones--they are

> > tasty,

> > > and a

> > > > > nice quick breakfast.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hoping you find some help in all the replies--I'm praying for

> > you!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

>>My child only eats falt , crispy stuff, so everything need to look like

> some form of chips.

If you meant to type " salt " , a salt craving is often a sign of adrenal

issues

http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

For " chips " in general, he might not tolerate or properly absorb fats.

You can try giving an enzyme that digests fats, or for my son I had

to give mito cocktail and amino acids

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dana,

My son does love salty food and I am suspecting that he may have fat

absorption trouble.

Is LIPASE the enzyme for that. If so, do you know of any good brand with

lipase?

I have tried removing anything that seemed problematic and all three houston

enzymes, GSE, OoO, and now candex all with no, or very limited and temporary

improvements.

I do suspect other issues, but the problem behaviors always point to yeast and

phenol intolerance. My son seem intolerant of food period.

It will be three weeks before we have the lab result and I just can't sit

around and watch him suffer ontil then.

I DO appreciate your ongoing support.

Haleh

--- danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

> >>My child only eats falt , crispy stuff, so everything need to look like

> > some form of chips.

>

>

> If you meant to type " salt " , a salt craving is often a sign of adrenal

> issues

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

>

> For " chips " in general, he might not tolerate or properly absorb fats.

> You can try giving an enzyme that digests fats, or for my son I had

> to give mito cocktail and amino acids

>

> http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you Dana,

> My son does love salty food and I am suspecting that he may have fat

> absorption trouble.

> Is LIPASE the enzyme for that.

Lipase will work for a digestion-only problem, yes.

If so, do you know of any good brand with

> lipase?

Lypo by Enzymedica has been recommended by quite a few people I know.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Amber...

They showed up on his IgG panel...it could be they are related to

soy, and he is very allergic to soy because we were using it as a

substitute in his formula before really getting into the DAN! stuff.

Which, if anything, shows that the kids need the complete sensitivity

panel done to help guide the diets. Best $200 we've spent so far!

(He's also allergic to vanilla bean...now try getting rid of THAT

without making everything from scratch!) The gains he made were

tremendous in the days/weeks following getting rid of the things that

showed up on that panel.

V

> > >

> > > Hello, every person here is on the learning curve. I say now

what

> > > works for one will work for about 50% only beacuse of what has

> > > been " fix " or addressed previose to that point. Yeast has to be

> > one

> > > of the first to be addressed. I used this paper

> > > http://puterakembara.org/rm/Dr_Jepson.pdf

> > > as a guide when starting out..use your feelings as to where to

> > > start and start researching the next " fix " it item 2 weeks after

> > > starting a treatment for one...be prepared for " fixing " around

10

> > > things in a row before you get your child on a healthy road. I

can

> > > not stress enough to listen to your thoughts you know your child

> > the

> > > best... I have been sitting with a doctor having him explain

this

> > > and that to me knowing all the time that treatment would be to

> > > invasive for my child to handle, mothers know this.... some

times

> > > we don't listen to that little voice when we should. You are

on a

> > > long road but it is worth it in the end. The gut has to be

healed

> > > before you can stop thinking about what diet to do. I found

that

> > > what ever I changed my son food to, would then be the problem

food

> > > until I healed the leaky gut. Enzymes are important for this

> > > healing, have you been reading at s web page

> > > http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtaloe.htm I am a big fan of aloe.

> > > I wish I could come stay with your kids for a few hours a day

so

> > > you could get some rest, I don't suppose you live in Michigan do

> > > you? Well, I will pray that you have all you own needs taken

> > care

> > > of. As Always My 2 Cents Ann

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