RE: Fish oil supplementation can be harmful/Josie

January 4, 2006

Thank you for added info. Keyon is geting a lot of other biomed.

We are going to discuss a ton of lab work on Feb 3rd and I specifically will

ask about his need for EFAs. I cook 90% of our food with coconut oil.

Anythought on that?

--- Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote:

> YES! Suze you said it better than I could have (and I was trying to think

> of a way).

>

> We do use ProEFA here; and we do supplement based on the results of an

> essential fatty acid test Dr. Cave ran on my daughter; and we don't even use

> as MUCH as she suggested we use b/c I am so afraid of the issues you mention

> and that is even THOUGH we already have frontloaded all of the anti-oxidants

> (Vit E, CoQ10, Brainchild mins, etc).

>

> On the childrens apraxia list where many many moms only give their kids fish

> oil and do no other biomed, people seemed always to get great initial

> results with fish oil, then get some slippage - and then respoind by adding

> MORE fish oil which worked temporarily - and then the child might plateau or

> slip again. If lipid peroxidation is occurring in the body, the body is

> also using lots of extra antioxidants to combat that. Most of these kids

> (and adults) cant spare any antioxidants.

>

> It strikes me always as a big Catch 22 that so many of these kids need more

> EFAs but if given incorrectly they can exacerbate the proble,s. Too many of

> the docs (even the friendly DANs) seem to hand them out very liberally ie

> without caution.

>

> Take care,

>

> Josie

>

> Fish oil supplementation can be harmful (was: Fish Oils

> in PDD Nos children)

>

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From:

> >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of haleh niazmand

>

> I am going to try ProEFA and this time I am going to commit for a

> >long time. I am convinced that it will help.

>

> Hi Haleh,

>

> Unfortunately fish oil supplementation, especially long-term, can be very

> damaging to the body. Fish oil contains long chain omega 3s that increase

> lipid peroxidation in the body. In other words, it oxidizes and causes a

> free radical cascade that can lead to a host of diseases. If the body is

> deficient in these long chain omega 3's (EPA and DHA) then you will

> definitely see improvements in the short term (in this case speech

> improvements it seems), but note that the long-term damage of too much EFA

> can be very serious. Also, when taking EFAs it's critical to supplement with

> antioxidants to prevent the peroxidation caused by the EFAs. The vit. E

> fraction in most fish oil products is only enough to protect the product

> from oxidation in_the_bottle, NOT in your body! So, a comprehensive vit. E

> product should be used (not isolated alpha tocopherol). There is no single

> comprehensive vit. E product on the market that contains all the tocopherols

> and tocotrienols that I'm aware of. (Maybe someone else on this board knows

> of one?) But you could get Unique E, which is all the tocopherols, and pair

> it up with a comprehensive tocotrienol product. Also, Red virgin palm oil

> contains the most comprehensive vitamin E profile of any food that I'm aware

> of. So that would be one *food* source of the E complex. But it probably

> wouldn't be enough to prevent oxidation from supplemental fish oil or other

> EFA supplements.

>

> It is always best to try to maintain a proper EFA balance in the DIET before

> adding supplemental EFA. The ratio should be as low as possible (6/3). Fish

> oil and other omega 3's are given in order to prevent the pro-inflammatory

> effects of too much omega 6, so if the diet is properly balanced to begin

> with, then supplemental omega 3's may not be required. Things that typically

> cause a pro-inflammatory EFA imbalance are vegetable and seed oils often

> used in cooking, most packaged foods, seeds, nuts and grains.

>

> If you really want to supplement with omega 3's then I think high vitamin

> CLO is far and above the absolute best choice. This is where I get mine:

> http://www.drrons.com/cod-liver-oil.htm

> A few studies have found that, while EFA supplementation raises lipid

> peroxides even_in_the_presence_of_sufficient_vitamin_E(!), CLO

> supplementation actually LOWERS lipid peroxides! I think this is due to

> antioxidative effects of vitamins A and D. Add to that, most Americans (and

> probably most folks living in industrialized nations) are deficient in

> vitamin D and generally have a low A intake, which furthers the cause of CLO

> supplementation in place of fish oil supplementation.

>

> Suze Fisher

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January 5, 2006

Haleh:

I try to use as much coconut oil as possible too (though sounds like not as

successfully as you). I've never seen anything to lead me to believe this

wouldn't b e a great idea!

Josie

I cook 90% of our food with coconut oil.

Anythought on that?

--- Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote:

> YES! Suze you said it better than I could have (and I was trying to think

> of a way).

>

_____

January 6, 2006

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Josie Lecraw

>

>I try to use as much coconut oil as possible too (though sounds like not as

>successfully as you). I've never seen anything to lead me to believe this

>wouldn't b e a great idea!

I use coconut oil as my main cooking oil. It's even more saturated than

animal fat and thus is very difficult to oxidize. It's a great source of fat

in so many ways. I also use it as the basis of my chocolate coconut candies

which are a totally healthy snack or dessert (NO bad stuff in 'em). Lots of

folks take it for weight loss and hypothyroidism. PLUS, the ratio of

saturated fat to EFAs is very important for several reasons (including

peroxidation) so I think coconut oil is one way to balance out the fats

really well. Although I do eat a lot of animal fats as well.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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>

January 7, 2006

Would you supplt this camdy recipe? I'd love a healthy treat like this!!! LA