Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Other intolerances or deficiencies can became evident once the gut starts healing. It is such a trial and error - some foods are not tolerated even with enzymes. Also, it could be some ingredient in the chewables. For agression/oppositional behavior we use CLO with success. DD takes Nordic Naturals Children's DHA - 3 soft gels per day right now. Try adding CLO and also consider switching to AFP peptizide (no papain and bromain). Additionally you may want to consider the powdered version of the enzymes. My daughter seems to do a little better on powdered enzymes added to her drinks, though she does do chewables at school due to convenience. One other thought - when we started dd on enzymes it did pull some latent viruses from her causing aggressive/oppositional behavior. Also, now when she is starting to come down with something, she always behaves that way - it lasts for a week or 2 after she has gotten better. > > I started my 4yo son, who is on the spectrum, on enzymes 2 months > ago. I did this because I know he has trouble with digesting milk > protein and has since he was a baby. He is no longer allowed to > drink cow's milk but I have not restricted his food...so now he gets > soy milk and does great. > > Anyway, started with Houston's Peptizyde and used the recommended > dosing chart. By week 3 we saw hyperactivity and decrease in eye > contact. I expected this. I was seeing improvement in his language > by way of his sentences and expressive language. This was a big jump > for him and I was excited. By week 5/6 I saw no improvement with the > hyperactivity so I stopped following the chart and lowered the dose > to one chewable with each meal and 1/2 chewable with a snack. Also, > added Zymeprime because I read in the Enzymes and Autism book that > sometimes that helps. By week 7 I saw a leveling off of his > hyperactivity but he started being aggresive, hitting kids for no > reason sometimes. Now at week 8 I've decreases the dosage of his > enzymes to 1/2 peptizye and 1/2 zymeprime with bfast, 1/2 peptizyde > with lunch, and 1/2 and 1/2 at dinner. > > I'm at a loss as what to do next. I feel like I have read the book > and the website so many times but I have no ideas except to stop > giving the enzymes. I have never seen aggresiveness in him and it is > disturbing. Any advice/help would so so appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Hi! I also have a 4 year old son with Asperger's. What kind of enzymes are you giving, the AFP or the normal ones? The hyperactivity could very well come from something in the enzymes he does not tolerate - like the stuff that is added to the chewables to make them taste good. Our soon turned out to be allergic to the papain/bromelain in the normal peptizyde, so we switched to AFP. Did you get an IgG and IgE done? This might give you a better idea about what else your son might be reacting to... Christiane > > I started my 4yo son, who is on the spectrum, on enzymes 2 months > ago. I did this because I know he has trouble with digesting milk > protein and has since he was a baby. He is no longer allowed to > drink cow's milk but I have not restricted his food...so now he gets > soy milk and does great. > > Anyway, started with Houston's Peptizyde and used the recommended > dosing chart. By week 3 we saw hyperactivity and decrease in eye > contact. I expected this. I was seeing improvement in his language > by way of his sentences and expressive language. This was a big jump > for him and I was excited. By week 5/6 I saw no improvement with the > hyperactivity so I stopped following the chart and lowered the dose > to one chewable with each meal and 1/2 chewable with a snack. Also, > added Zymeprime because I read in the Enzymes and Autism book that > sometimes that helps. By week 7 I saw a leveling off of his > hyperactivity but he started being aggresive, hitting kids for no > reason sometimes. Now at week 8 I've decreases the dosage of his > enzymes to 1/2 peptizye and 1/2 zymeprime with bfast, 1/2 peptizyde > with lunch, and 1/2 and 1/2 at dinner. > > I'm at a loss as what to do next. I feel like I have read the book > and the website so many times but I have no ideas except to stop > giving the enzymes. I have never seen aggresiveness in him and it is > disturbing. Any advice/help would so so appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 > > Other intolerances or deficiencies can became evident once the gut > starts healing. It is such a trial and error - some foods are not > tolerated even with enzymes. Also, it could be some ingredient in > the chewables. > > For agression/oppositional behavior we use CLO with success. DD > takes Nordic Naturals Children's DHA - 3 soft gels per day right > now. Try adding CLO and also consider switching to AFP peptizide (no > papain and bromain). Additionally you may want to consider the > powdered version of the enzymes. My daughter seems to do a little > better on powdered enzymes added to her drinks, though she does do > chewables at school due to convenience. > > One other thought - when we started dd on enzymes it did pull some > latent viruses from her causing aggressive/oppositional behavior. > Also, now when she is starting to come down with something, she > always behaves that way - it lasts for a week or 2 after she has > gotten better. > > > > Thanks so much for responding ! Can I assume CLO is Cod Liver Oil?...and is this Nordic Naturals DHA the brand of CLO that you use with your daughter? Also, how do you give CLO, I can imagine that is not too tasty for kids. As for the HNI chewable peptizyde...I do give him the AFP...so I will probably try switching to the powder of both enzymes to see if that makes a difference. Also, I have not noticed him coming down with anything lately...his body seems so strong and resistant to illness and he rarely gets sick (luckily) but I will keep this in mind. Lastly, when you have to try something new to acheive better results/behavior, how long do you try...2 weeks...longer? Just curious. Thanks again, Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 > > Hi! > > I also have a 4 year old son with Asperger's. What kind of enzymes are > you giving, the AFP or the normal ones? The hyperactivity could very > well come from something in the enzymes he does not tolerate - like > the stuff that is added to the chewables to make them taste good. Our > soon turned out to be allergic to the papain/bromelain in the normal > peptizyde, so we switched to AFP. > Did you get an IgG and IgE done? This might give you a better idea > about what else your son might be reacting to... > Christiane > Hi Christiane...thanks for the reply. I need to ask what IgG and IgE are...I'm pretty sure we have not had this done if I don't know what it is!! I am giving the AFP enzymes but I think I will switch from chewables to powder to see if that makes a difference. Thank again, Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 What is CLO and where do we get it? thank you, Anandhi --- cameronhirtz <chirtz@...> wrote: > > > > > Other intolerances or deficiencies can became > evident once the gut > > starts healing. It is such a trial and error - > some foods are not > > tolerated even with enzymes. Also, it could be > some ingredient in > > the chewables. > > > > For agression/oppositional behavior we use CLO > with success. DD > > takes Nordic Naturals Children's DHA - 3 soft gels > per day right > > now. Try adding CLO and also consider switching to > AFP peptizide > (no > > papain and bromain). Additionally you may want to > consider the > > powdered version of the enzymes. My daughter seems > to do a little > > better on powdered enzymes added to her drinks, > though she does do > > chewables at school due to convenience. > > > > One other thought - when we started dd on enzymes > it did pull some > > latent viruses from her causing > aggressive/oppositional behavior. > > Also, now when she is starting to come down with > something, she > > always behaves that way - it lasts for a week or 2 > after she has > > gotten better. > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for responding ! Can I > assume CLO is Cod > Liver Oil?...and is this Nordic Naturals DHA the > brand of CLO that > you use with your daughter? Also, how do you give > CLO, I can imagine > that is not too tasty for kids. > As for the HNI chewable peptizyde...I do give him > the AFP...so I will > probably try switching to the powder of both enzymes > to see if that > makes a difference. Also, I have not noticed him > coming down with > anything lately...his body seems so strong and > resistant to illness > and he rarely gets sick (luckily) but I will keep > this in mind. > Lastly, when you have to try something new to > acheive better > results/behavior, how long do you try...2 > weeks...longer? Just > curious. > > Thanks again, Cameron > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 CLO is Cod Liver Oil and I use Nordic Naturals. They have it in capsules or liquid. My son only takes liquid and it's flavored so it's not so bad. I get mine from Kirkmans but other places sell it also. > > > > > > Other intolerances or deficiencies can became > > evident once the gut > > > starts healing. It is such a trial and error - > > some foods are not > > > tolerated even with enzymes. Also, it could be > > some ingredient in > > > the chewables. > > > > > > For agression/oppositional behavior we use CLO > > with success. DD > > > takes Nordic Naturals Children's DHA - 3 soft gels > > per day right > > > now. Try adding CLO and also consider switching to > > AFP peptizide > > (no > > > papain and bromain). Additionally you may want to > > consider the > > > powdered version of the enzymes. My daughter seems > > to do a little > > > better on powdered enzymes added to her drinks, > > though she does do > > > chewables at school due to convenience. > > > > > > One other thought - when we started dd on enzymes > > it did pull some > > > latent viruses from her causing > > aggressive/oppositional behavior. > > > Also, now when she is starting to come down with > > something, she > > > always behaves that way - it lasts for a week or 2 > > after she has > > > gotten better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for responding ! Can I > > assume CLO is Cod > > Liver Oil?...and is this Nordic Naturals DHA the > > brand of CLO that > > you use with your daughter? Also, how do you give > > CLO, I can imagine > > that is not too tasty for kids. > > As for the HNI chewable peptizyde...I do give him > > the AFP...so I will > > probably try switching to the powder of both enzymes > > to see if that > > makes a difference. Also, I have not noticed him > > coming down with > > anything lately...his body seems so strong and > > resistant to illness > > and he rarely gets sick (luckily) but I will keep > > this in mind. > > Lastly, when you have to try something new to > > acheive better > > results/behavior, how long do you try...2 > > weeks...longer? Just > > curious. > > > > Thanks again, Cameron > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > Thanks so much for responding ! Can I assume CLO is Cod > Liver Oil?...and is this Nordic Naturals DHA the brand of CLO that > you use with your daughter? Also, how do you give CLO, I can imagine > that is not too tasty for kids. Yes, CLO is cod liver oil. The Nordic Naturals Children's DHA is a chewable, small yellow capsule that is strawberry flavored. My dd loves these. I believe I ordered them from Kirkman's. > As for the HNI chewable peptizyde...I do give him the AFP...so I will > probably try switching to the powder of both enzymes to see if that > makes a difference. Also, I have not noticed him coming down with > anything lately...his body seems so strong and resistant to illness > and he rarely gets sick (luckily) but I will keep this in mind. The virus can go to the brain so you may not have the typical symptoms of cough, congestion, etc. The only symptoms could be the agressive behavior and possibly some regressive behavior. > Lastly, when you have to try something new to acheive better > results/behavior, how long do you try...2 weeks...longer? Just > curious. For us, we have usually seen a response, either good or bad, within a week or two from trying something new, but we stick with it for at least 3 weeks unless the behavior is really a problem. That being said, it was a good 6 week adjustment period when we started enzymes. We saw immediate improvements in some areas but we also saw an increase in negative behaviors (aggression, stimming, lack of focus) which decreased slowly over time. Something else to keep in mind is that when a child does not need a certain supplement anymore, she can start regressing or having negative behaviors until it is removed. A good example of this for dd would be anti-fungals (we have tried so many!) When she no longer needs these due to the yeast being under control, she will start to be more hyper and stimmy until I remove them. > Regarding the allergy test - they can be a very helpful tool in identifying allergies/intolerances. However, they are only 80% accurate (per Dana) so it can be frustrating if you are removing foods noted as problems on the test and not seeing any results. I have heard that the most common foods that enzymes may not help are corn, rice, orange foods and phenolic foods. If you haven't already, check out www.danasview.net. She has excellent information on enzymes, supplements and much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 >>By week 7 I saw a leveling off of his > hyperactivity but he started being aggresive, hitting kids for no > reason sometimes. Now at week 8 I've decreases the dosage of his > enzymes to 1/2 peptizye and 1/2 zymeprime with bfast, 1/2 peptizyde > with lunch, and 1/2 and 1/2 at dinner. Try adding No-Fenol. Corn can cause aggression, and it is one food that enzymes many times don't help, so watch for that. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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