Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Hi Wanda, Kirkman makes zinc sulfate cream which can just be applied to the skin ..Can you check with your nutritionist about it ,hence reducing the chance of overdose orally. My son uses the cream and its really nice. Doris > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. But > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > whole bottle. What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. I am > very worried about my son. And I feel I can get no help from doctors > around here- at least not in a timely fashion. > Thank you for any advice about the zinc. > Wanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 > > > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. But > > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > > whole bottle. What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. I am > > very worried about my son. And I feel I can get no help from doctors > > around here- at least not in a timely fashion. > > Thank you for any advice about the zinc. > > Wanda > > > thanks for the advice- i will definitely look into it. How often do you have to apply it? Wanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Wanda, I have read that not being able to taste the zinc is a sign of being deficient. Low zinc affects your taste buds. The RDA is 15 mg, but many kids are on much higher doses. My son, who weighs 45 lbs, is on 60 mg per day. I am not a doc, but you shouldn't have any problems starting at 15 mg and then gradually increasing from there. Also, one of the few blood tests we were able to get our pediatrician to do was one to check levels of zinc, copper, magnesium, calcium and iron. Then I had the nurse give me all the normal ranges so I could see where he was. HTH, Trish > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. But > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > whole bottle. What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. I am > very worried about my son. And I feel I can get no help from doctors > around here- at least not in a timely fashion. > Thank you for any advice about the zinc. > Wanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. But > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > whole bottle. Generally this means he is zinc deficient. >> What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. No more than weight + 20mg. So for example, if he weighs 50 pounds, don't go higher than 70mg per day. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 I rub one gram of the cream twice a day,but it can be applied once depending on your son's dosage. one gram contains 100mg of zinc sulphate USP. It is rubbed unto large area of the body such as the back or shoulder.It has a little one gram spoon inside for measurement. Doris > > > > > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. But > > > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > > > whole bottle. What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. I am > > > very worried about my son. And I feel I can get no help from doctors > > > around here- at least not in a timely fashion. > > > Thank you for any advice about the zinc. > > > Wanda > > > > > > thanks for the advice- i will definitely look into it. How often do > you have to apply it? > Wanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 > > > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. > But > > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > > whole bottle. What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. I am > > very worried about my son. And I feel I can get no help from doctors > > around here- at least not in a timely fashion. > > Thank you for any advice about the zinc. > > Wanda > > > Good advice I will print you response out - we are seeing both our dev. ped. and our regular ped. tommorrow. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 > > > > My nutritionist said to give my son zinc sulfate liquid to taste. But > > I give it to him and he acts like it is water and would drink the > > whole bottle. > > > Generally this means he is zinc deficient. > > > >> What is the reccomended dose for safety reasons. > > > No more than weight + 20mg. So for example, if he weighs 50 pounds, > don't go higher than 70mg per day. > > Dana > Thank you for the great advice. Do you have any advice on how to get the doctor to help us figure out if our son has hypoglycemia. He is usually unresponsive in the morning until he gets something to eat and then he gets extremely hyperactive after eating. But then he crashes but has a hard time going to sleep. Also, I think he has adrenal gland issues- what can I ask the doctor about to help us get appropriate testing for this? We had a hair test done and it does imply adrenal fatigue. Thanks so much, Wanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 > Thank you for the great advice. Do you have any advice on how to get > the doctor to help us figure out if our son has hypoglycemia. You can ask for a test, or have you already tried that and the doctor is not cooperative? He is > usually unresponsive in the morning until he gets something to eat and > then he gets extremely hyperactive after eating. But then he crashes > but has a hard time going to sleep. Possibly phenol intolerance http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm >> Also, I think he has adrenal > gland issues- what can I ask the doctor about to help us get > appropriate testing for this? We had a hair test done and it does > imply adrenal fatigue. I don't really know how to get a doctor to be cooperative. Perhaps you need to find a new doctor. Here is a good page of info on adrenal help, most of which you can implement without the doctor's help. http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 How is this not hypoglycemia? Is he on a balanced, frequent small protein/carb proportionate diet? If not, try putting him on one, and see if it helps. My daughter is hypoglycemic, and diet controls it, with No Fenol. I have a policy to treat that first, before any other physical/emotional thing going on, and a lot of the time it's a lot of the problem. Amy > the doctor to help us figure out if our son has hypoglycemia. He is > usually unresponsive in the morning until he gets something to eat and > then he gets extremely hyperactive after eating. But then he crashes > but has a hard time going to sleep. Also, I think he has adrenal > gland issues- what can I ask the doctor about to help us get > appropriate testing for this? We had a hair test done and it does > imply adrenal fatigue. > Thanks so much, > Wanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > How is this not hypoglycemia? Is he on a balanced, frequent small > protein/carb proportionate diet? If not, try putting him on one, and > see if it helps. > > My daughter is hypoglycemic, and diet controls it, with No Fenol. I > have a policy to treat that first, before any other physical/emotional > thing going on, and a lot of the time it's a lot of the problem. > > Amy > > > the doctor to help us figure out if our son has hypoglycemia. He is > > usually unresponsive in the morning until he gets something to eat > and > > then he gets extremely hyperactive after eating. But then he crashes > > but has a hard time going to sleep. Also, I think he has adrenal > > gland issues- what can I ask the doctor about to help us get > > appropriate testing for this? We had a hair test done and it does > > imply adrenal fatigue. > > Thanks so much, > > Wanda > > > How did you get someone to figure out that your child had hypoglycemia? Because no one seems to believe me and they just say he is tired. I don't believe that - I watch my son's behaviors everyday. He cannot wake up until he has something to eat and if it isn't very sugary he still doesn't perk up. He only really perked up today after he had an organic lollypop with glucose syrup in the ingredients and then he was awesome for awhile but then crashed and couldn't wait to go in his crib. I have seen sugar bring him down immediately and then bring him so high that he is bouncing off the walls. But he seems to need the sugar to make him able to focus. Did you get a blood glucose monitor? That is one sure way to figure it out. I wonder if you have to buy one or if I could rent one or something. But then my son would probably hate me for using it. I don't think the thing with the sugar is totally yeast related. Because then he would fly off the wall when he had his rice milk in the morning without enzymes but even the rice milk didn't perk him up this morning. He also gets cold very easily and at school he was the only kid shivering in the kiddie pool after about 5 minutes and then they had to take him inside. So, what is up with that. And we couldn't give enzymes at our old school this year and then he wouldn't eat much for them at school so when he got home had the enzymes and then a snack he would be a total nut. We wrote the doctor a letter last year about these same concerns and nothing came of it then either. Maybe when we see Dr. Bock in Nov. he will have some answers for us. I get scared for him being so down like he was today. I will keep those lollipops on hand, even though they aren't good for yeast. I think hypoglycemia is definitely a factor and should be controlled first because it is really a big issue for him. and he eats but he is so fussy and he won't eat meat with out barbecue sauce on it and oddly enough he is usually better after he eats the barbecue sauce. When I observed him at school many times he was the kid who seemed the most tired when I looked around the class. Our doctors think hypoglycemia is rare in children- but supposedly so is autism and when it comes to autism anything can be the problem. He does not utilize his vitamins correctly because he was tested for b6 and it was 2x the normal level and I am only supplementing him with a vitamin that contains 1mg. Because he wouldn't eat the new diet at school he would only eat the snack type stuff I would send in, so he would be ravenous when he got home. Begging for cookies, chips, apple, waffle, ba-ba (rice milk)- I thought it was just sugar cravings because we were killing off the yeast- Please fill me in on anything you know about hypoglycemia and what you have to do for your child. So, I can help my little guy out. He worries me so. All this diet stuff drives me nuts and when we eliminated fructose that is when a lot of the ups and downs in energy levels went out of hand. I am introducing some fruit back in his diet. Tell me what you use to prevent sugar from dropping etc. We are going on vaccation and I am worried about him and the doctors think I am nuts (well That's the way they make me feel). A lot of times I want to cry at the doctor's office because I feel like they just don't get it. Like when I went to them after my son was on antibiotics for like 60 days and I told them it was too much for him and it was making me loose my son again and the gains he was doing before. So, any help would be awesome. We have minimal family help because they all live far away or have their own issues, so a group like this is my outlet for stress. However, I did guilt trip my mom into babysitting today (so we could actually pack for vaccation) and she did say he seemed tired today. I think he gets tired after eating. Because he ate at 8:00 today and then by ten he wanted to go night night but when I put him in his crib he could not fall asleep. For some reason he seems more awake in the evening too. Thanks again, Wanda Thanks, Wanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 I figured it out because she has all the symptoms of hypoglycemia, and responds to the standard treatments for hypoglycemia, and isn't diabetic so the other option was, she's hypoglycemic. There isn't a blood test for hypoglycemia because generally blood sugar levels will test within normal limits (the normal lower limits being 80, and if you've just crashed from 140 to 80, you're going to feel it, even though you'll test " normal. " ) I have a glucose monitor and test her blood sugar periodically and she's always within normal limits. Western medicine can tell you when something acute is occurring or when something serious has already developed. Hypoglycemia is neither of these, in terms of the traditional blood sugar tests and symptoms. It's one of those things that annoys doctors to discuss for some reason; like whiny women just made up that term as an excuse for laziness. (uh... just my opinion. I've had some very bad experiences trying to get answers from conventional as well as alternative doctors around here.) My son wasn't diagnosed with autism for years although all he did was flip light switches, spin pot lids, smear feces and eat crayons. Doctors - VERY reputable doctors - kept telling me to take valium and get more sleep because I was too stressed about his developmental timetable and boys develop slower etc. etc. So the fact that someone isn't taking your dietary and behavioral concerns about your child seriously to me is just part of the awful state of autism treatment. I personally wouldn't take it to mean that absolutely your child wouldn't benefit from the type of dietary intervention you would do for hypoglycemia. If you always balance his protein, fat and carbs, he should get through the day ok. You can google " zone diet " which is basically a hypoglycemic control diet. Obviously you'd have to make a lot of food substitutions on that one, but it will give you the basic premise. Basically a higher protein, moderate fat, lower carb ratio than the typical American diet, with small frequent meals. I never give my daughter a carb without a fat AND protein component, for example, and she never goes more than a few hours without eating something. I would really recommend " When Healing Becomes A Crime " by Kenny Ausubel - it's very long and not about autism, but after reading it you will be so informed about the current state of medical politics, and it might be very empowering in the future when professionals don't believe or take seriously some of these things. Something shorter and more to the point is " A practical guide to naturopathy " by , which details basically our own individual responsibility for our general health (and our children's,) and dispels some of the Western notion of finding a doctor to validate, verify and prescribe some of the more basic things we can do for our health, like nutritional interventions. Amy > How did you get someone to figure out that your child had > hypoglycemia? Because no one seems to believe me and they just say he > is tired. I don't believe that - I watch my son's behaviors everyday. > He cannot wake up until he has something to eat and if it isn't very > sugary he still doesn't perk up. He only really perked up today after > he had an organic lollypop with glucose syrup in the ingredients and > then he was awesome for awhile but then crashed and couldn't wait to > go in his crib. I have seen sugar bring him down immediately and then > bring him so high that he is bouncing off the walls. But he seems to > need the sugar to make him able to focus. Did you get a blood glucose > monitor? That is one sure way to figure it out. I wonder if you have > to buy one or if I could rent one or something. But then my son would > probably hate me for using it. I don't think the thing with the sugar > is totally yeast related. Because then he would fly off the wall when > he had his rice milk in the morning without enzymes but even the rice > milk didn't perk him up this morning. He also gets cold very easily > and at school he was the only kid shivering in the kiddie pool after > about 5 minutes and then they had to take him inside. So, what is up > with that. And we couldn't give enzymes at our old school this year > and then he wouldn't eat much for them at school so when he got home > had the enzymes and then a snack he would be a total nut. We wrote > the doctor a letter last year about these same concerns and nothing > came of it then either. Maybe when we see Dr. Bock in Nov. he will > have some answers for us. I get scared for him being so down like he > was today. I will keep those lollipops on hand, even though they > aren't good for yeast. I think hypoglycemia is definitely a factor > and should be controlled first because it is really a big issue for > him. and he eats but he is so fussy and he won't eat meat with out > barbecue sauce on it and oddly enough he is usually better after he > eats the barbecue sauce. When I observed him at school many times he > was the kid who seemed the most tired when I looked around the class. > Our doctors think hypoglycemia is rare in children- but supposedly so > is autism and when it comes to autism anything can be the problem. He > does not utilize his vitamins correctly because he was tested for b6 > and it was 2x the normal level and I am only supplementing him with a > vitamin that contains 1mg. Because he wouldn't eat the new diet at > school he would only eat the snack type stuff I would send in, so he > would be ravenous when he got home. Begging for cookies, chips, > apple, waffle, ba-ba (rice milk)- I thought it was just sugar cravings > because we were killing off the yeast- Please fill me in on anything > you know about hypoglycemia and what you have to do for your child. > So, I can help my little guy out. He worries me so. All this diet > stuff drives me nuts and when we eliminated fructose that is when a > lot of the ups and downs in energy levels went out of hand. I am > introducing some fruit back in his diet. Tell me what you use to > prevent sugar from dropping etc. We are going on vaccation and I am > worried about him and the doctors think I am nuts (well That's the way > they make me feel). A lot of times I want to cry at the doctor's > office because I feel like they just don't get it. Like when I went > to them after my son was on antibiotics for like 60 days and I told > them it was too much for him and it was making me loose my son again > and the gains he was doing before. So, any help would be awesome. We > have minimal family help because they all live far away or have their > own issues, so a group like this is my outlet for stress. However, I > did guilt trip my mom into babysitting today (so we could actually > pack for vaccation) and she did say he seemed tired today. I think he > gets tired after eating. Because he ate at 8:00 today and then by ten > he wanted to go night night but when I put him in his crib he could > not fall asleep. > For some reason he seems more awake in the evening too. > Thanks again, > Wanda > > Thanks, > Wanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 > > I figured it out because she has all the symptoms of hypoglycemia, > and responds to the standard treatments for hypoglycemia, and isn't > diabetic so the other option was, she's hypoglycemic. > > There isn't a blood test for hypoglycemia because generally blood > sugar levels will test within normal limits (the normal lower limits > being 80, and if you've just crashed from 140 to 80, you're going to > feel it, even though you'll test " normal. " ) > > I have a glucose monitor and test her blood sugar periodically and > she's always within normal limits. Western medicine can tell you > when something acute is occurring or when something serious has > already developed. Hypoglycemia is neither of these, in terms of > the traditional blood sugar tests and symptoms. It's one of those > things that annoys doctors to discuss for some reason; like whiny > women just made up that term as an excuse for laziness. (uh... just > my opinion. I've had some very bad experiences trying to get > answers from conventional as well as alternative doctors around > here.) > > My son wasn't diagnosed with autism for years although all he did > was flip light switches, spin pot lids, smear feces and eat > crayons. Doctors - VERY reputable doctors - kept telling me to take > valium and get more sleep because I was too stressed about his > developmental timetable and boys develop slower etc. etc. So the > fact that someone isn't taking your dietary and behavioral concerns > about your child seriously to me is just part of the awful state of > autism treatment. I personally wouldn't take it to mean that > absolutely your child wouldn't benefit from the type of dietary > intervention you would do for hypoglycemia. > > If you always balance his protein, fat and carbs, he should get > through the day ok. You can google " zone diet " which is basically a > hypoglycemic control diet. Obviously you'd have to make a lot of > food substitutions on that one, but it will give you the basic > premise. Basically a higher protein, moderate fat, lower carb ratio > than the typical American diet, with small frequent meals. I never > give my daughter a carb without a fat AND protein component, for > example, and she never goes more than a few hours without eating > something. > > I would really recommend " When Healing Becomes A Crime " by Kenny > Ausubel - it's very long and not about autism, but after reading it > you will be so informed about the current state of medical politics, > and it might be very empowering in the future when professionals > don't believe or take seriously some of these things. > > Something shorter and more to the point is " A practical guide to > naturopathy " by , which details basically our own > individual responsibility for our general health (and our > children's,) and dispels some of the Western notion of finding a > doctor to validate, verify and prescribe some of the more basic > things we can do for our health, like nutritional interventions. > > Amy > > > > How did you get someone to figure out that your child had > > hypoglycemia? Because no one seems to believe me and they just > say he > > is tired. I don't believe that - I watch my son's behaviors > everyday. > > He cannot wake up until he has something to eat and if it isn't > very > > sugary he still doesn't perk up. He only really perked up today > after > > he had an organic lollypop with glucose syrup in the ingredients > and > > then he was awesome for awhile but then crashed and couldn't wait > to > > go in his crib. I have seen sugar bring him down immediately and > then > > bring him so high that he is bouncing off the walls. But he seems > to > > need the sugar to make him able to focus. Did you get a blood > glucose > > monitor? That is one sure way to figure it out. I wonder if you > have > > to buy one or if I could rent one or something. But then my son > would > > probably hate me for using it. I don't think the thing with the > sugar > > is totally yeast related. Because then he would fly off the wall > when > > he had his rice milk in the morning without enzymes but even the > rice > > milk didn't perk him up this morning. He also gets cold very > easily > > and at school he was the only kid shivering in the kiddie pool > after > > about 5 minutes and then they had to take him inside. So, what is > up > > with that. And we couldn't give enzymes at our old school this > year > > and then he wouldn't eat much for them at school so when he got > home > > had the enzymes and then a snack he would be a total nut. We wrote > > the doctor a letter last year about these same concerns and nothing > > came of it then either. Maybe when we see Dr. Bock in Nov. he > will > > have some answers for us. I get scared for him being so down like > he > > was today. I will keep those lollipops on hand, even though they > > aren't good for yeast. I think hypoglycemia is definitely a factor > > and should be controlled first because it is really a big issue for > > him. and he eats but he is so fussy and he won't eat meat with out > > barbecue sauce on it and oddly enough he is usually better after he > > eats the barbecue sauce. When I observed him at school many times > he > > was the kid who seemed the most tired when I looked around the > class. > > Our doctors think hypoglycemia is rare in children- but > supposedly so > > is autism and when it comes to autism anything can be the > problem. He > > does not utilize his vitamins correctly because he was tested for > b6 > > and it was 2x the normal level and I am only supplementing him > with a > > vitamin that contains 1mg. Because he wouldn't eat the new diet at > > school he would only eat the snack type stuff I would send in, so > he > > would be ravenous when he got home. Begging for cookies, chips, > > apple, waffle, ba-ba (rice milk)- I thought it was just sugar > cravings > > because we were killing off the yeast- Please fill me in on > anything > > you know about hypoglycemia and what you have to do for your child. > > So, I can help my little guy out. He worries me so. All this diet > > stuff drives me nuts and when we eliminated fructose that is when a > > lot of the ups and downs in energy levels went out of hand. I am > > introducing some fruit back in his diet. Tell me what you use to > > prevent sugar from dropping etc. We are going on vaccation and I > am > > worried about him and the doctors think I am nuts (well That's the > way > > they make me feel). A lot of times I want to cry at the doctor's > > office because I feel like they just don't get it. Like when I > went > > to them after my son was on antibiotics for like 60 days and I told > > them it was too much for him and it was making me loose my son > again > > and the gains he was doing before. So, any help would be > awesome. We > > have minimal family help because they all live far away or have > their > > own issues, so a group like this is my outlet for stress. > However, I > > did guilt trip my mom into babysitting today (so we could actually > > pack for vaccation) and she did say he seemed tired today. I > think he > > gets tired after eating. Because he ate at 8:00 today and then by > ten > > he wanted to go night night but when I put him in his crib he could > > not fall asleep. > > For some reason he seems more awake in the evening too. > > Thanks again, > > Wanda > > > > Thanks, > > Wanda > > > thank you again Amy you always have good advice. I will try the ratio of higher protein, moderate fat, and lower carb ratio. The nutritionist has suggested chromium - do you know anything about that? Also over the weekend bought a glucose monitor and tested his blood sugar in the morning when he woke up it was 79 and then after he drank his rice milk it went up to 105 in about 5 minutes and then it started to go back down but I think I missed testing him when he began to have a crash. Any info on 79 in the morning? Thanks, Wanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 > thank you again Amy you always have good advice. I will try the ratio > of higher protein, moderate fat, and lower carb ratio. The > nutritionist has suggested chromium - do you know anything about that? > Also over the weekend bought a glucose monitor and tested his blood > sugar in the morning when he woke up it was 79 and then after he drank > his rice milk it went up to 105 in about 5 minutes and then it started > to go back down but I think I missed testing him when he began to have > a crash. Any info on 79 in the morning? > Thanks, Wanda I don't know what expected values in children should be exactly but for an adult, 79 is a little low. Normal would be expected between 80-120. Going up 25 points from rice milk is also rather dramatic. I would say you are probably dealing with some carbohydrate metabolism issues here. I really would go low sugar, and balance everything - like rice milk with an egg or some sort of protein and fat, even snacks. Chromium technically stablizes high blood sugar, but if you're already running low I don't understand why she'd recommend that. It also is potentially toxic in higher amounts and is a metal, so I'd be careful using it. I'd ask your DAN about it before I tried it. People with carbohydrate metabolism problems can be sensitive to blood sugar medications, so I'd focus on the diet angle if I were you. I've heard that chromium also can cause some side effects like shaking, stomach aches, sweating, or anxiety. It doesn't always, but for some people the usual amount can be too much. Try the carb/protein/fat balancing thing and maybe focus on low glycemic index foods as much as possible, and see if there's any change. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Dear Amy-Normal BS is usually 60-120. 79 in the am seems quite appropriate. Amy <noahsmom7898@...> wrote: > thank you again Amy you always have good advice. I will try the ratio > of higher protein, moderate fat, and lower carb ratio. The > nutritionist has suggested chromium - do you know anything about that? > Also over the weekend bought a glucose monitor and tested his blood > sugar in the morning when he woke up it was 79 and then after he drank > his rice milk it went up to 105 in about 5 minutes and then it started > to go back down but I think I missed testing him when he began to have > a crash. Any info on 79 in the morning? > Thanks, Wanda I don't know what expected values in children should be exactly but for an adult, 79 is a little low. Normal would be expected between 80-120. Going up 25 points from rice milk is also rather dramatic. I would say you are probably dealing with some carbohydrate metabolism issues here. I really would go low sugar, and balance everything - like rice milk with an egg or some sort of protein and fat, even snacks. Chromium technically stablizes high blood sugar, but if you're already running low I don't understand why she'd recommend that. It also is potentially toxic in higher amounts and is a metal, so I'd be careful using it. I'd ask your DAN about it before I tried it. People with carbohydrate metabolism problems can be sensitive to blood sugar medications, so I'd focus on the diet angle if I were you. I've heard that chromium also can cause some side effects like shaking, stomach aches, sweating, or anxiety. It doesn't always, but for some people the usual amount can be too much. Try the carb/protein/fat balancing thing and maybe focus on low glycemic index foods as much as possible, and see if there's any change. Amy --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 > Dear Amy-Normal BS is usually 60-120. 79 in the am seems quite appropriate. I think it's relative to the individual person, as well how far it's come down. For me, when my blood sugar is 60, I'm very close to passing out. And when it's below 80 in the morning, I am very dizzy and shaky. But maybe for some people they don't have symptoms at 60 or even 70, so that's " normal " for them. I think the point that someone made on the hypothyroid thread about reading the patient more than the numbers probably applies. But here is some basic blood sugar information (70 seems to be the lowest " normal " in the literature.) http://www.endocrineweb.com/insulin.html > > Amy <noahsmom7898@...> wrote: > thank you again Amy you always have good advice. I will try the > ratio > > of higher protein, moderate fat, and lower carb ratio. The > > nutritionist has suggested chromium - do you know anything about > that? > > Also over the weekend bought a glucose monitor and tested his > blood > > sugar in the morning when he woke up it was 79 and then after he > drank > > his rice milk it went up to 105 in about 5 minutes and then it > started > > to go back down but I think I missed testing him when he began to > have > > a crash. Any info on 79 in the morning? > > Thanks, Wanda > > I don't know what expected values in children should be exactly but > for an adult, 79 is a little low. Normal would be expected between > 80-120. Going up 25 points from rice milk is also rather dramatic. > I would say you are probably dealing with some carbohydrate > metabolism issues here. I really would go low sugar, and balance > everything - like rice milk with an egg or some sort of protein and > fat, even snacks. > > Chromium technically stablizes high blood sugar, but if you're > already running low I don't understand why she'd recommend that. It > also is potentially toxic in higher amounts and is a metal, so I'd > be careful using it. I'd ask your DAN about it before I tried it. > People with carbohydrate metabolism problems can be sensitive to > blood sugar medications, so I'd focus on the diet angle if I were > you. I've heard that chromium also can cause some side effects like > shaking, stomach aches, sweating, or anxiety. It doesn't always, > but for some people the usual amount can be too much. > > Try the carb/protein/fat balancing thing and maybe focus on low > glycemic index foods as much as possible, and see if there's any > change. > > Amy > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 > > thank you again Amy you always have good advice. I will try the > > ratio > > > of higher protein, moderate fat, and lower carb ratio. The > > > nutritionist has suggested chromium - do you know anything > about > > that? > > > Also over the weekend bought a glucose monitor and tested his > > blood > > > sugar in the morning when he woke up it was 79 and then after > he > > drank > > > his rice milk it went up to 105 in about 5 minutes and then it > > started > > > to go back down but I think I missed testing him when he began > to > > have > > > a crash. Any info on 79 in the morning? > > > Thanks, Wanda > > > > I don't know what expected values in children should be exactly > but > > for an adult, 79 is a little low. Normal would be expected > between > > 80-120. Going up 25 points from rice milk is also rather > dramatic. > > I would say you are probably dealing with some carbohydrate > > metabolism issues here. I really would go low sugar, and balance > > everything - like rice milk with an egg or some sort of protein > and > > fat, even snacks. > > > > Chromium technically stablizes high blood sugar, but if you're > > already running low I don't understand why she'd recommend that. > It > > also is potentially toxic in higher amounts and is a metal, so > I'd > > be careful using it. I'd ask your DAN about it before I tried > it. > > People with carbohydrate metabolism problems can be sensitive to > > blood sugar medications, so I'd focus on the diet angle if I were > > you. I've heard that chromium also can cause some side effects > like > > shaking, stomach aches, sweating, or anxiety. It doesn't always, > > but for some people the usual amount can be too much. > > > > Try the carb/protein/fat balancing thing and maybe focus on low > > glycemic index foods as much as possible, and see if there's any > > change. > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 > Thanks again Amy, > I know he has a carb problem, and did another blood sugar test in the > am because he was so unresponsive and it was at 51. Then after he had > his rice milk it went up to about 98. So, we are going to make an > appt. with an endocrinologist. 51 is really low. When I get a reading like that I always check it to make sure the monitor is working properly and it's the actual value. Then panic the 2nd time, if it's correct. For me and my kids, our carbohydrate metabolism is impaired as part of the whole picture of metal toxicity. When do you see the dr.? I'm seriously worried about that 51, and then the swing to 98. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 > > I figured it out because she has all the symptoms of hypoglycemia, > and responds to the standard treatments for hypoglycemia, and isn't > diabetic so the other option was, she's hypoglycemic. > > There isn't a blood test for hypoglycemia because generally blood > sugar levels will test within normal limits (the normal lower limits > being 80, and if you've just crashed from 140 to 80, you're going to > feel it, even though you'll test " normal. " ) > > I have a glucose monitor and test her blood sugar periodically and > she's always within normal limits. Western medicine can tell you > when something acute is occurring or when something serious has > already developed. Hypoglycemia is neither of these, in terms of > the traditional blood sugar tests and symptoms. It's one of those > things that annoys doctors to discuss for some reason; like whiny > women just made up that term as an excuse for laziness. (uh... just > my opinion. I've had some very bad experiences trying to get > answers from conventional as well as alternative doctors around > here.) > > My son wasn't diagnosed with autism for years although all he did > was flip light switches, spin pot lids, smear feces and eat > crayons. Doctors - VERY reputable doctors - kept telling me to take > valium and get more sleep because I was too stressed about his > developmental timetable and boys develop slower etc. etc. So the > fact that someone isn't taking your dietary and behavioral concerns > about your child seriously to me is just part of the awful state of > autism treatment. I personally wouldn't take it to mean that > absolutely your child wouldn't benefit from the type of dietary > intervention you would do for hypoglycemia. > > If you always balance his protein, fat and carbs, he should get > through the day ok. You can google " zone diet " which is basically a > hypoglycemic control diet. Obviously you'd have to make a lot of > food substitutions on that one, but it will give you the basic > premise. Basically a higher protein, moderate fat, lower carb ratio > than the typical American diet, with small frequent meals. I never > give my daughter a carb without a fat AND protein component, for > example, and she never goes more than a few hours without eating > something. > > I would really recommend " When Healing Becomes A Crime " by Kenny > Ausubel - it's very long and not about autism, but after reading it > you will be so informed about the current state of medical politics, > and it might be very empowering in the future when professionals > don't believe or take seriously some of these things. > > Something shorter and more to the point is " A practical guide to > naturopathy " by , which details basically our own > individual responsibility for our general health (and our > children's,) and dispels some of the Western notion of finding a > doctor to validate, verify and prescribe some of the more basic > things we can do for our health, like nutritional interventions. > > Amy > > > > How did you get someone to figure out that your child had > > hypoglycemia? Because no one seems to believe me and they just > say he > > is tired. I don't believe that - I watch my son's behaviors > everyday. > > He cannot wake up until he has something to eat and if it isn't > very > > sugary he still doesn't perk up. He only really perked up today > after > > he had an organic lollypop with glucose syrup in the ingredients > and > > then he was awesome for awhile but then crashed and couldn't wait > to > > go in his crib. I have seen sugar bring him down immediately and > then > > bring him so high that he is bouncing off the walls. But he seems > to > > need the sugar to make him able to focus. Did you get a blood > glucose > > monitor? That is one sure way to figure it out. I wonder if you > have > > to buy one or if I could rent one or something. But then my son > would > > probably hate me for using it. I don't think the thing with the > sugar > > is totally yeast related. Because then he would fly off the wall > when > > he had his rice milk in the morning without enzymes but even the > rice > > milk didn't perk him up this morning. He also gets cold very > easily > > and at school he was the only kid shivering in the kiddie pool > after > > about 5 minutes and then they had to take him inside. So, what is > up > > with that. And we couldn't give enzymes at our old school this > year > > and then he wouldn't eat much for them at school so when he got > home > > had the enzymes and then a snack he would be a total nut. We wrote > > the doctor a letter last year about these same concerns and nothing > > came of it then either. Maybe when we see Dr. Bock in Nov. he > will > > have some answers for us. I get scared for him being so down like > he > > was today. I will keep those lollipops on hand, even though they > > aren't good for yeast. I think hypoglycemia is definitely a factor > > and should be controlled first because it is really a big issue for > > him. and he eats but he is so fussy and he won't eat meat with out > > barbecue sauce on it and oddly enough he is usually better after he > > eats the barbecue sauce. When I observed him at school many times > he > > was the kid who seemed the most tired when I looked around the > class. > > Our doctors think hypoglycemia is rare in children- but > supposedly so > > is autism and when it comes to autism anything can be the > problem. He > > does not utilize his vitamins correctly because he was tested for > b6 > > and it was 2x the normal level and I am only supplementing him > with a > > vitamin that contains 1mg. Because he wouldn't eat the new diet at > > school he would only eat the snack type stuff I would send in, so > he > > would be ravenous when he got home. Begging for cookies, chips, > > apple, waffle, ba-ba (rice milk)- I thought it was just sugar > cravings > > because we were killing off the yeast- Please fill me in on > anything > > you know about hypoglycemia and what you have to do for your child. > > So, I can help my little guy out. He worries me so. All this diet > > stuff drives me nuts and when we eliminated fructose that is when a > > lot of the ups and downs in energy levels went out of hand. I am > > introducing some fruit back in his diet. Tell me what you use to > > prevent sugar from dropping etc. We are going on vaccation and I > am > > worried about him and the doctors think I am nuts (well That's the > way > > they make me feel). A lot of times I want to cry at the doctor's > > office because I feel like they just don't get it. Like when I > went > > to them after my son was on antibiotics for like 60 days and I told > > them it was too much for him and it was making me loose my son > again > > and the gains he was doing before. So, any help would be > awesome. We > > have minimal family help because they all live far away or have > their > > own issues, so a group like this is my outlet for stress. > However, I > > did guilt trip my mom into babysitting today (so we could actually > > pack for vaccation) and she did say he seemed tired today. I > think he > > gets tired after eating. Because he ate at 8:00 today and then by > ten > > he wanted to go night night but when I put him in his crib he could > > not fall asleep. > > For some reason he seems more awake in the evening too. > > Thanks again, > > Wanda > > > > Thanks, > > Wanda > > > Hi Amy, I haven't posted in awhile because we were waiting on a lot of test results. We did find out that my son has hypoglycemia as his blood sugar showed up as 43 after fasting for the test. He also has yeast and is now on diflucan. He is being so difficult about switching things in his diet. I need help so desperately. He just seems to be getting worse not better. His eating was really up before we started the changes and now he is refusing things because they don't have sugar or they have less. And the yeast medicine seems to make his sugar cravings worse. The Dan doctor prescribed sugar companion to help with his sugar problems but he put it as #6 in the order of supplements we are starting him on. I think I should put him on it now even though we are at supplement #3. I think that getting the hypoglycemia under control is probably the most important thing in order to work on the yeast issues. He also has been getting more red ears lately. But it seems to correspond more with sugary things or starchy things more than phenols. What else can trigger red ears other than phenols? What supplements, enzymes, herbs, foods etc. do you think help the most for treating hypoglycemia? His tests showed that he is intolerant of milk but nothing else showed up. Gluten hasn't showed up on any of the tests we had done before either. Does whole wheat help with hypoglycemia? Do you think we should try adding some gluten back in? Whole wheat seems to be lower on the glycemic index than things made out of rice. What about goat's milk protein? I am so lost that I want to cry. Most of his food sensitivity problems just make him hyperactive- it seems to me that they are mostly yeast and sugar related. Like sweet potatoes sent him into a wild frenzy last week. It also seemed that potato chips made his ears red. I haven't noticed raisins or white grape juice making his ears red or apple juice. Red grape juice made his ears on fire and he woke up giggling that night. Maybe he needs to be on the feingold type diet. I just don't know anymore. Should I try adding in a little wheat and see what happens - like maybe 1 whole wheat cracker a day or something? Pizza made him nutty before, but now I know it was probably the milk. When we switched to rice milk he started talking again, but then the hyperactivity started up at that point. I'm sorry so long...but I need more help. What kind of foods does your child eat and how do you proportion them? Like if I gave him something with protein first then his rice milk would that work out better? Like in terms of enzymes should he have more syme prime? Should I start by giving him his fish oil and maybe something like powdered goat's milk protein in the morning before giving him his rice milk? Or use pear juice in the morning and skip rice milk all together?... I don't know how to begin.....What about veggies? He won't seem to eat them anymore because they are not loaded with sugar. I have powdered veggie caps. Should I give one of those at every meal? And I think he needs his b vitamins becasue most regulate carbs and proteins but the DAN dr. said we wouldn't start them until the yeast is under control. Do people get b12 shots even when they have yeast? Since he is back on yeast medicine he is not night waking anymore but his sugar cravings were awful this morning. He wouldn't eat his breakfast- wheat free waffles with soy butter (he won't eat those becasue it doesn't have the milk butter) and organic turkey sausage (won't eat them because they don't have the sugar in them). So all he would eat this morning was Puffins cereal. Maybe I should go back to the jimmy dean sausages that he liked because then at least he would be getting the protein even though it has some sugar... What do you think? Or I guess I could try the applegate farms sausages because at least the sugar in them is just from the fruit in them and they are organic without nitrates and stuff. Really would appreciate your input. I'm having an anxiety attack over this and don't want to have to take anxiety pills any more because I just got myself off them 2 weeks ago. I know how you had said your doctor told you to take your meds. when you insisted something was up with your child. It is so frustrating. I will look into all the literature you reccomended. Thank you again, Wanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 My child was hypoglycemic but, not anymore. Listen to this. I found that when we got rid of the yeast that was competing with her body for the food she ate, her hypoglycemia went away. Jenn & K dalywanda <dalywanda@...> wrote: > > I figured it out because she has all the symptoms of hypoglycemia, > and responds to the standard treatments for hypoglycemia, and isn't > diabetic so the other option was, she's hypoglycemic. > > There isn't a blood test for hypoglycemia because generally blood > sugar levels will test within normal limits (the normal lower limits > being 80, and if you've just crashed from 140 to 80, you're going to > feel it, even though you'll test " normal. " ) > > I have a glucose monitor and test her blood sugar periodically and > she's always within normal limits. Western medicine can tell you > when something acute is occurring or when something serious has > already developed. Hypoglycemia is neither of these, in terms of > the traditional blood sugar tests and symptoms. It's one of those > things that annoys doctors to discuss for some reason; like whiny > women just made up that term as an excuse for laziness. (uh... just > my opinion. I've had some very bad experiences trying to get > answers from conventional as well as alternative doctors around > here.) > > My son wasn't diagnosed with autism for years although all he did > was flip light switches, spin pot lids, smear feces and eat > crayons. Doctors - VERY reputable doctors - kept telling me to take > valium and get more sleep because I was too stressed about his > developmental timetable and boys develop slower etc. etc. So the > fact that someone isn't taking your dietary and behavioral concerns > about your child seriously to me is just part of the awful state of > autism treatment. I personally wouldn't take it to mean that > absolutely your child wouldn't benefit from the type of dietary > intervention you would do for hypoglycemia. > > If you always balance his protein, fat and carbs, he should get > through the day ok. You can google " zone diet " which is basically a > hypoglycemic control diet. Obviously you'd have to make a lot of > food substitutions on that one, but it will give you the basic > premise. Basically a higher protein, moderate fat, lower carb ratio > than the typical American diet, with small frequent meals. I never > give my daughter a carb without a fat AND protein component, for > example, and she never goes more than a few hours without eating > something. > > I would really recommend " When Healing Becomes A Crime " by Kenny > Ausubel - it's very long and not about autism, but after reading it > you will be so informed about the current state of medical politics, > and it might be very empowering in the future when professionals > don't believe or take seriously some of these things. > > Something shorter and more to the point is " A practical guide to > naturopathy " by , which details basically our own > individual responsibility for our general health (and our > children's,) and dispels some of the Western notion of finding a > doctor to validate, verify and prescribe some of the more basic > things we can do for our health, like nutritional interventions. > > Amy > > > > How did you get someone to figure out that your child had > > hypoglycemia? Because no one seems to believe me and they just > say he > > is tired. I don't believe that - I watch my son's behaviors > everyday. > > He cannot wake up until he has something to eat and if it isn't > very > > sugary he still doesn't perk up. He only really perked up today > after > > he had an organic lollypop with glucose syrup in the ingredients > and > > then he was awesome for awhile but then crashed and couldn't wait > to > > go in his crib. I have seen sugar bring him down immediately and > then > > bring him so high that he is bouncing off the walls. But he seems > to > > need the sugar to make him able to focus. Did you get a blood > glucose > > monitor? That is one sure way to figure it out. I wonder if you > have > > to buy one or if I could rent one or something. But then my son > would > > probably hate me for using it. I don't think the thing with the > sugar > > is totally yeast related. Because then he would fly off the wall > when > > he had his rice milk in the morning without enzymes but even the > rice > > milk didn't perk him up this morning. He also gets cold very > easily > > and at school he was the only kid shivering in the kiddie pool > after > > about 5 minutes and then they had to take him inside. So, what is > up > > with that. And we couldn't give enzymes at our old school this > year > > and then he wouldn't eat much for them at school so when he got > home > > had the enzymes and then a snack he would be a total nut. We wrote > > the doctor a letter last year about these same concerns and nothing > > came of it then either. Maybe when we see Dr. Bock in Nov. he > will > > have some answers for us. I get scared for him being so down like > he > > was today. I will keep those lollipops on hand, even though they > > aren't good for yeast. I think hypoglycemia is definitely a factor > > and should be controlled first because it is really a big issue for > > him. and he eats but he is so fussy and he won't eat meat with out > > barbecue sauce on it and oddly enough he is usually better after he > > eats the barbecue sauce. When I observed him at school many times > he > > was the kid who seemed the most tired when I looked around the > class. > > Our doctors think hypoglycemia is rare in children- but > supposedly so > > is autism and when it comes to autism anything can be the > problem. He > > does not utilize his vitamins correctly because he was tested for > b6 > > and it was 2x the normal level and I am only supplementing him > with a > > vitamin that contains 1mg. Because he wouldn't eat the new diet at > > school he would only eat the snack type stuff I would send in, so > he > > would be ravenous when he got home. Begging for cookies, chips, > > apple, waffle, ba-ba (rice milk)- I thought it was just sugar > cravings > > because we were killing off the yeast- Please fill me in on > anything > > you know about hypoglycemia and what you have to do for your child. > > So, I can help my little guy out. He worries me so. All this diet > > stuff drives me nuts and when we eliminated fructose that is when a > > lot of the ups and downs in energy levels went out of hand. I am > > introducing some fruit back in his diet. Tell me what you use to > > prevent sugar from dropping etc. We are going on vaccation and I > am > > worried about him and the doctors think I am nuts (well That's the > way > > they make me feel). A lot of times I want to cry at the doctor's > > office because I feel like they just don't get it. Like when I > went > > to them after my son was on antibiotics for like 60 days and I told > > them it was too much for him and it was making me loose my son > again > > and the gains he was doing before. So, any help would be > awesome. We > > have minimal family help because they all live far away or have > their > > own issues, so a group like this is my outlet for stress. > However, I > > did guilt trip my mom into babysitting today (so we could actually > > pack for vaccation) and she did say he seemed tired today. I > think he > > gets tired after eating. Because he ate at 8:00 today and then by > ten > > he wanted to go night night but when I put him in his crib he could > > not fall asleep. > > For some reason he seems more awake in the evening too. > > Thanks again, > > Wanda > > > > Thanks, > > Wanda > > > Hi Amy, I haven't posted in awhile because we were waiting on a lot of test results. We did find out that my son has hypoglycemia as his blood sugar showed up as 43 after fasting for the test. He also has yeast and is now on diflucan. He is being so difficult about switching things in his diet. I need help so desperately. He just seems to be getting worse not better. His eating was really up before we started the changes and now he is refusing things because they don't have sugar or they have less. And the yeast medicine seems to make his sugar cravings worse. The Dan doctor prescribed sugar companion to help with his sugar problems but he put it as #6 in the order of supplements we are starting him on. I think I should put him on it now even though we are at supplement #3. I think that getting the hypoglycemia under control is probably the most important thing in order to work on the yeast issues. He also has been getting more red ears lately. But it seems to correspond more with sugary things or starchy things more than phenols. What else can trigger red ears other than phenols? What supplements, enzymes, herbs, foods etc. do you think help the most for treating hypoglycemia? His tests showed that he is intolerant of milk but nothing else showed up. Gluten hasn't showed up on any of the tests we had done before either. Does whole wheat help with hypoglycemia? Do you think we should try adding some gluten back in? Whole wheat seems to be lower on the glycemic index than things made out of rice. What about goat's milk protein? I am so lost that I want to cry. Most of his food sensitivity problems just make him hyperactive- it seems to me that they are mostly yeast and sugar related. Like sweet potatoes sent him into a wild frenzy last week. It also seemed that potato chips made his ears red. I haven't noticed raisins or white grape juice making his ears red or apple juice. Red grape juice made his ears on fire and he woke up giggling that night. Maybe he needs to be on the feingold type diet. I just don't know anymore. Should I try adding in a little wheat and see what happens - like maybe 1 whole wheat cracker a day or something? Pizza made him nutty before, but now I know it was probably the milk. When we switched to rice milk he started talking again, but then the hyperactivity started up at that point. I'm sorry so long...but I need more help. What kind of foods does your child eat and how do you proportion them? Like if I gave him something with protein first then his rice milk would that work out better? Like in terms of enzymes should he have more syme prime? Should I start by giving him his fish oil and maybe something like powdered goat's milk protein in the morning before giving him his rice milk? Or use pear juice in the morning and skip rice milk all together?... I don't know how to begin.....What about veggies? He won't seem to eat them anymore because they are not loaded with sugar. I have powdered veggie caps. Should I give one of those at every meal? And I think he needs his b vitamins becasue most regulate carbs and proteins but the DAN dr. said we wouldn't start them until the yeast is under control. Do people get b12 shots even when they have yeast? Since he is back on yeast medicine he is not night waking anymore but his sugar cravings were awful this morning. He wouldn't eat his breakfast- wheat free waffles with soy butter (he won't eat those becasue it doesn't have the milk butter) and organic turkey sausage (won't eat them because they don't have the sugar in them). So all he would eat this morning was Puffins cereal. Maybe I should go back to the jimmy dean sausages that he liked because then at least he would be getting the protein even though it has some sugar... What do you think? Or I guess I could try the applegate farms sausages because at least the sugar in them is just from the fruit in them and they are organic without nitrates and stuff. Really would appreciate your input. I'm having an anxiety attack over this and don't want to have to take anxiety pills any more because I just got myself off them 2 weeks ago. I know how you had said your doctor told you to take your meds. when you insisted something was up with your child. It is so frustrating. I will look into all the literature you reccomended. Thank you again, Wanda --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I have personally struggled with hypoglycemia (and getting it properly diagnosed by a western philosophy type MD) as well as getting a diagnosis for my son who is now 10 (services since the age of 17 months, finally diagnosed at 7 1/2). YOU know your body, YOU know your child, YOU know when to trust your gut. Keep plugging along and keep trying until you find a dr willing to listen and see your point of view...it will come in time. Joy > > > > I figured it out because she has all the symptoms of hypoglycemia, > > and responds to the standard treatments for hypoglycemia, and isn't > > diabetic so the other option was, she's hypoglycemic. > > > > There isn't a blood test for hypoglycemia because generally blood > > sugar levels will test within normal limits (the normal lower limits > > being 80, and if you've just crashed from 140 to 80, you're going to > > feel it, even though you'll test " normal. " ) > > > > I have a glucose monitor and test her blood sugar periodically and > > she's always within normal limits. Western medicine can tell you > > when something acute is occurring or when something serious has > > already developed. Hypoglycemia is neither of these, in terms of > > the traditional blood sugar tests and symptoms. It's one of those > > things that annoys doctors to discuss for some reason; like whiny > > women just made up that term as an excuse for laziness. (uh... just > > my opinion. I've had some very bad experiences trying to get > > answers from conventional as well as alternative doctors around > > here.) > > > > My son wasn't diagnosed with autism for years although all he did > > was flip light switches, spin pot lids, smear feces and eat > > crayons. Doctors - VERY reputable doctors - kept telling me to take > > valium and get more sleep because I was too stressed about his > > developmental timetable and boys develop slower etc. etc. So the > > fact that someone isn't taking your dietary and behavioral concerns > > about your child seriously to me is just part of the awful state of > > autism treatment. I personally wouldn't take it to mean that > > absolutely your child wouldn't benefit from the type of dietary > > intervention you would do for hypoglycemia. > > > > If you always balance his protein, fat and carbs, he should get > > through the day ok. You can google " zone diet " which is basically a > > hypoglycemic control diet. Obviously you'd have to make a lot of > > food substitutions on that one, but it will give you the basic > > premise. Basically a higher protein, moderate fat, lower carb ratio > > than the typical American diet, with small frequent meals. I never > > give my daughter a carb without a fat AND protein component, for > > example, and she never goes more than a few hours without eating > > something. > > > > I would really recommend " When Healing Becomes A Crime " by Kenny > > Ausubel - it's very long and not about autism, but after reading it > > you will be so informed about the current state of medical politics, > > and it might be very empowering in the future when professionals > > don't believe or take seriously some of these things. > > > > Something shorter and more to the point is " A practical guide to > > naturopathy " by , which details basically our own > > individual responsibility for our general health (and our > > children's,) and dispels some of the Western notion of finding a > > doctor to validate, verify and prescribe some of the more basic > > things we can do for our health, like nutritional interventions. > > > > Amy > > > > > > > How did you get someone to figure out that your child had > > > hypoglycemia? Because no one seems to believe me and they just > > say he > > > is tired. I don't believe that - I watch my son's behaviors > > everyday. > > > He cannot wake up until he has something to eat and if it isn't > > very > > > sugary he still doesn't perk up. He only really perked up today > > after > > > he had an organic lollypop with glucose syrup in the ingredients > > and > > > then he was awesome for awhile but then crashed and couldn't wait > > to > > > go in his crib. I have seen sugar bring him down immediately and > > then > > > bring him so high that he is bouncing off the walls. But he seems > > to > > > need the sugar to make him able to focus. Did you get a blood > > glucose > > > monitor? That is one sure way to figure it out. I wonder if you > > have > > > to buy one or if I could rent one or something. But then my son > > would > > > probably hate me for using it. I don't think the thing with the > > sugar > > > is totally yeast related. Because then he would fly off the wall > > when > > > he had his rice milk in the morning without enzymes but even the > > rice > > > milk didn't perk him up this morning. He also gets cold very > > easily > > > and at school he was the only kid shivering in the kiddie pool > > after > > > about 5 minutes and then they had to take him inside. So, what is > > up > > > with that. And we couldn't give enzymes at our old school this > > year > > > and then he wouldn't eat much for them at school so when he got > > home > > > had the enzymes and then a snack he would be a total nut. We wrote > > > the doctor a letter last year about these same concerns and nothing > > > came of it then either. Maybe when we see Dr. Bock in Nov. he > > will > > > have some answers for us. I get scared for him being so down like > > he > > > was today. I will keep those lollipops on hand, even though they > > > aren't good for yeast. I think hypoglycemia is definitely a factor > > > and should be controlled first because it is really a big issue for > > > him. and he eats but he is so fussy and he won't eat meat with out > > > barbecue sauce on it and oddly enough he is usually better after he > > > eats the barbecue sauce. When I observed him at school many times > > he > > > was the kid who seemed the most tired when I looked around the > > class. > > > Our doctors think hypoglycemia is rare in children- but > > supposedly so > > > is autism and when it comes to autism anything can be the > > problem. He > > > does not utilize his vitamins correctly because he was tested for > > b6 > > > and it was 2x the normal level and I am only supplementing him > > with a > > > vitamin that contains 1mg. Because he wouldn't eat the new diet at > > > school he would only eat the snack type stuff I would send in, so > > he > > > would be ravenous when he got home. Begging for cookies, chips, > > > apple, waffle, ba-ba (rice milk)- I thought it was just sugar > > cravings > > > because we were killing off the yeast- Please fill me in on > > anything > > > you know about hypoglycemia and what you have to do for your child. > > > So, I can help my little guy out. He worries me so. All this diet > > > stuff drives me nuts and when we eliminated fructose that is when a > > > lot of the ups and downs in energy levels went out of hand. I am > > > introducing some fruit back in his diet. Tell me what you use to > > > prevent sugar from dropping etc. We are going on vaccation and I > > am > > > worried about him and the doctors think I am nuts (well That's the > > way > > > they make me feel). A lot of times I want to cry at the doctor's > > > office because I feel like they just don't get it. Like when I > > went > > > to them after my son was on antibiotics for like 60 days and I told > > > them it was too much for him and it was making me loose my son > > again > > > and the gains he was doing before. So, any help would be > > awesome. We > > > have minimal family help because they all live far away or have > > their > > > own issues, so a group like this is my outlet for stress. > > However, I > > > did guilt trip my mom into babysitting today (so we could actually > > > pack for vaccation) and she did say he seemed tired today. I > > think he > > > gets tired after eating. Because he ate at 8:00 today and then by > > ten > > > he wanted to go night night but when I put him in his crib he could > > > not fall asleep. > > > For some reason he seems more awake in the evening too. > > > Thanks again, > > > Wanda > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wanda > > > > > > Hi Amy, > I haven't posted in awhile because we were waiting on a lot of test > results. We did find out that my son has hypoglycemia as his blood > sugar showed up as 43 after fasting for the test. He also has yeast > and is now on diflucan. He is being so difficult about switching > things in his diet. I need help so desperately. He just seems to be > getting worse not better. His eating was really up before we started > the changes and now he is refusing things because they don't have > sugar or they have less. And the yeast medicine seems to make his > sugar cravings worse. The Dan doctor prescribed sugar companion to > help with his sugar problems but he put it as #6 in the order of > supplements we are starting him on. I think I should put him on it > now even though we are at supplement #3. I think that getting the > hypoglycemia under control is probably the most important thing in > order to work on the yeast issues. He also has been getting more red > ears lately. But it seems to correspond more with sugary things or > starchy things more than phenols. What else can trigger red ears > other than phenols? What supplements, enzymes, herbs, foods etc. do > you think help the most for treating hypoglycemia? His tests showed > that he is intolerant of milk but nothing else showed up. Gluten > hasn't showed up on any of the tests we had done before either. Does > whole wheat help with hypoglycemia? Do you think we should try adding > some gluten back in? Whole wheat seems to be lower on the glycemic > index than things made out of rice. What about goat's milk protein? > I am so lost that I want to cry. Most of his food sensitivity > problems just make him hyperactive- it seems to me that they are > mostly yeast and sugar related. Like sweet potatoes sent him into a > wild frenzy last week. It also seemed that potato chips made his ears > red. I haven't noticed raisins or white grape juice making his ears > red or apple juice. Red grape juice made his ears on fire and he woke > up giggling that night. Maybe he needs to be on the feingold type > diet. I just don't know anymore. Should I try adding in a little > wheat and see what happens - like maybe 1 whole wheat cracker a day or > something? Pizza made him nutty before, but now I know it was > probably the milk. When we switched to rice milk he started talking > again, but then the hyperactivity started up at that point. > I'm sorry so long...but I need more help. What kind of foods does your > child eat and how do you proportion them? Like if I gave him > something with protein first then his rice milk would that work out > better? Like in terms of enzymes should he have more syme prime? > Should I start by giving him his fish oil and maybe something like > powdered goat's milk protein in the morning before giving him his rice > milk? Or use pear juice in the morning and skip rice milk all > together?... I don't know how to begin.....What about veggies? He > won't seem to eat them anymore because they are not loaded with sugar. > I have powdered veggie caps. Should I give one of those at every meal? > And I think he needs his b vitamins becasue most regulate carbs and > proteins but the DAN dr. said we wouldn't start them until the yeast > is under control. Do people get b12 shots even when they have yeast? > Since he is back on yeast medicine he is not night waking anymore but > his sugar cravings were awful this morning. He wouldn't eat his > breakfast- wheat free waffles with soy butter (he won't eat those > becasue it doesn't have the milk butter) and organic turkey sausage > (won't eat them because they don't have the sugar in them). So all he > would eat this morning was Puffins cereal. Maybe I should go back to > the jimmy dean sausages that he liked because then at least he would > be getting the protein even though it has some sugar... What do you > think? Or I guess I could try the applegate farms sausages because at > least the sugar in them is just from the fruit in them and they are > organic without nitrates and stuff. > Really would appreciate your input. I'm having an anxiety attack over > this and don't want to have to take anxiety pills any more because I > just got myself off them 2 weeks ago. I know how you had said your > doctor told you to take your meds. when you insisted something was up > with your child. It is so frustrating. I will look into all the > literature you reccomended. > Thank you again, > Wanda > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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