: Re: [enzymes]Nell/was: thoughts on gut healing/yeast?

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Anita,

Thanks for your thoughts. I was going on something that Dr. Jmc has said,

that most kids start out hyperimmune or th2 and shift to hypoimmune or th1.

I never thought or heard of shifting back and forth, but rather one or the

other being dominant.

Thanks for the ideas.

: Re: Nell/was: thoughts on gut healing/yeast?

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> I hardly understand any of this, but I don't think it is always as

> simple as not getting colds, etc. My limited understanding is

> this. Our body should be able to shift back and forth between th1

> and th2 responses as necessary. Many, perhaps most, of our kids

> would be stuck far too often on the th2 side, but that doesn't mean

> that all of their responses would be th2 responses. Also, I believe

> that eventually both types of responses become weaker and weaker,

> which would explain some of the fluctuating symptoms. Both of these

> above points would depend on how severely their immune system is

> compromised, I would think.

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> It could be that any child who still has yeast or whose autistic

> symptoms are partially a result of viruses remains on the Th2 side

> too often.

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> I think too that much of what we do in terms of supping is helping

> to address this th1/th2 imbalance (probiotics, colostrum, IP6, fatty

> acids, etc.) By doing this we might be getting some sort of back

> and forth effect.

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> I don't know of course, but I don't think that the th1/th2 thing,

> eventhough it is called a balance, can be thought of like a

> teetertotter in that if one goes up the other goes down. I think it

> is complicated and in our kids, who get a lot of help and also

> suffer a lot of setbacks, even more complicated.

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> Please don't take what I'm saying in the spirit of corrections.

> LIke I said, I really don't understand this stuff well at all and

> I'm just bouncing ideas. I'm not even sure if any of this makes

> sense. But, on the bright side, it has convinced me that it worth a

> shot to talk to my ped about getting a script for LDN (I've been

> wavering for a while, speaking of teetertotters).

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> Anita

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>> >> >> ***I didn't mean to say that he hadn't recovered, just that

>> > those

>> >> > are the

>> >> >> parameters we are looking at.****

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>> >> > Oh I know, I'm saying I'm looking at the same parameters you

>> > are .

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>> >> >> For us, I think fighting the viruses will be long

>> >> >> term and require more than natural antivirals, hoping I am

>> > wrong, again.

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>> >> > I *think the big difference between rx antivirals, at leasst

>> > Valtrex,

>> >> > and the OTC tuff is that Valtrex is more narrowly focused and

>> >> > Virastop, Lauricidin, and OLE are more broad-spectrum. Are you

>> >> > considering another rx antiviral besides Valtrex?

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[Guest guest]

I've actually not read very much of what Dr. JM has said about this,

which is a bit stupid on my part. Most of my sporadic reading, and

it isn't much, has been elsewhere.

It just doesn't make sense to me that you could only have one type

of response. That is, that the shift would be a TOTAL one. Of

course, it could be that I'm completely wrong about this and I'm

drawing very much the wrong conclusions.

I wonder if would have some knowledge of this. Or if Andy

would weigh in at AM.

Anita

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> Anita,

>

> Thanks for your thoughts. I was going on something that Dr. Jmc

has said,

> that most kids start out hyperimmune or th2 and shift to

hypoimmune or th1.

> I never thought or heard of shifting back and forth, but rather

one or the

> other being dominant.

>

> Thanks for the ideas.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, not total, more of a balance or weighted toward one side or the

other, th1 or th2. I see both sides as fluid, but not constantly shifting

which side is dominant. Both sides are in play to constantly monitor the

correct balance to take care of the yeast, bacteria and viruses. But I

believe you are dominantly one side or the other.

The only analogy I can think of is the hair test. Where you keep placing the

hair on the test strip until it tips over, I know not a great analogy, but

health is achieved when you have the correct balance, with the dominance

toward th1.

Again, one of the many times I wish I had paid attention in a class where

someone was trying to teach this :-)

> I've actually not read very much of what Dr. JM has said about this,

> which is a bit stupid on my part. Most of my sporadic reading, and

> it isn't much, has been elsewhere.

>

> It just doesn't make sense to me that you could only have one type

> of response. That is, that the shift would be a TOTAL one. Of

> course, it could be that I'm completely wrong about this and I'm

> drawing very much the wrong conclusions.

>

> I wonder if would have some knowledge of this. Or if Andy

> would weigh in at AM.

>

> Anita

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>> Anita,

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>> Thanks for your thoughts. I was going on something that Dr. Jmc

> has said,

>> that most kids start out hyperimmune or th2 and shift to

> hypoimmune or th1.

>> I never thought or heard of shifting back and forth, but rather

> one or the

>> other being dominant.

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>> Thanks for the ideas.

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