Enzymes when IgG positive?

[Guest guest]

My son - who has tics - tested positive on an IgG blood test for

citrus, dairy, wheat, and eggs. I am giving enzymes to help prevent

further allergies from developing while we try to heal his gut (he

also has signs of a leaky gut), but I am wondering if enzymes would

allow him to eventually eat those foods again or is that just wistful

thinking?

[Guest guest]

Dear Sola,

Scientifically, the presence of antibodies (IgG) means that the body

is sensing the food to be ofensive (antigen).

The best explanation regarding enzymes vs. food is that we are not

having enoff enzymes for doing a good digestion and when having leaky

gut big food molecules pass the gut barrier and arrive to the blood

were the body senses them as foreign bad material.

The antigenic property of a food molecule depends of its size (also on

chemical composition, but we are dealing first with size). Exogenous

enzymes hydrolyse food molecules reducing its size, so those

hydrolyzed food molecules can cross the gut barrier without being

detected as antigens. Food hydrolysis by exogenous enzymes also

prevents leaky gut (inflammation).

All this means theoretically that by using enzymes you are preventing

food to be allergenic by 1) breaking the food molecules 2) by healing

leaky gut and 3) preventing leaky gut to re-appears, by preventing gut

inflammation. But even after gut healing you will have to continue to

use enzymes.

You may start to reintroduce some allergic foods after the adjustment

period (one month).

Let see if theory match your future ! Best luck !

VICTOR

>

> My son - who has tics - tested positive on an IgG blood test for

> citrus, dairy, wheat, and eggs. I am giving enzymes to help prevent

> further allergies from developing while we try to heal his gut (he

> also has signs of a leaky gut), but I am wondering if enzymes would

> allow him to eventually eat those foods again or is that just

wistful

> thinking?

>

[Guest guest]

> My son - who has tics - tested positive on an IgG blood test for

> citrus, dairy, wheat, and eggs. I am giving enzymes to help prevent

> further allergies from developing while we try to heal his gut (he

> also has signs of a leaky gut),

Very wise!

>>>but I am wondering if enzymes would allow him to eventually eat

those foods again or is that just wistful thinking?

That may be quite possible. A lot of people are able to return to foods

once they have been on enzymes a little. And the really good part is

that possibly one day he can have all those foods again without

enzymes! I and my boys used to need the DPP IV enzymes with dairy to

control migraines, but now enzymes are not needed and we can consume

dairy without any problems at all.

.

[Guest guest]

My sons also have tics and we recently had IGg testing done through MAYO

labs. As I understand it, they send this testing on to IBT labs. I spoke with

someone at MAYO who said this is Flouroenzyme Immunoassay testing. I'm

wondering if anyone can comment on the reliability of this type testing? My

insurance covered this test so I went for it, but my Pediatrician is unable to

help

with the results, as he had no idea what it even was.

13 year old son tested positive to wheat, barley, rye

9 yr. old egg, peanut and pork.

Under reference range, there was only <2. Most of the results were 5 and

6's except 9 yr. old who is an extremely limited eater had a 13 for peanut

(peanut butter is one of about 4 foods he'll eat).

I also had the Organix Dysbiosis Profile done on youngest son through

Metametrix. His D-Arabinitol was 51 which put him in about the 75% range? I

take

it this means that 75% of the children 12 and under had a lower reading?

Again, I'm wondering how many people have used this test and if you felt the

results were reliable as an indication of a yeast problem. Any comments would

be greatly appreciated.

Kim

[Guest guest]

Victor,

Thank you so much for the reply. The high reading for peanut gave this test

credibility in my mind because it's one of the things conventional allergy

testing showed a mild reaction to, and again, because it's one of the few

foods he eats. The pork reaction confused me, because he hasn't eaten any meat

of any kind since baby food dinners. I can't imagine where he would even get

trace exposure to pork.

One of my main concerns was that this test would miss a sensitivity to

something like dairy or wheat (he will eat 1 type of cracker and pretzels),

orange

juice etc. I would hate to feel ok about giving these things if this test

was not as reliable as ELISA or other tests it seems like most have done.

I was wondering if I could have your permission to post your reply to

another group? Since this was a test that my insurance covered, and I was able

to

get reg. Ped to order it, I thought others on a TS/tic board might be

interested too. Again, thank you!

Kim

[Guest guest]

Dear Kim,

The amazing fact is that the body is " believing " that the food is

something bad. When there is a bad digestion process, food molecules

are not well broken (hydrolyzed) and due mainly to its size, the body

can not see those molecules as food but as an bad invader (antigen).

Once those big and bad food molecules enters to the body through the

intestinal wall, the body defense mechanism is to put a " flag " on them

in order to indicate to defense cells (leukocytes) that those

molecules shall be destroy.

The " flag " to signal the invader molecules is the Antibody called IgG

Immunoglobulin G. So if your test is indicating that you have more

than 2, it means that recently the body has detected some invader

molecules and is having a " lot of flags " circulating around ready to

bind another invader big molecule.

IgG test basically means that some of the food molecules that gives

high values were detected in the blood and are being processes as

antigens. So for example, in the case of peanut high value, it

indicates that the body is " processing " the peanut by using the immune

system. Sometimes the body mechanism is to use the enzymes of the

immune system to end digestion of big molecules. It seems to be the

indication of this high value. This is bad because those enzymes are

there for eliminating bacteria, yeasts, virus and bad cells, not for

doing digestion.

Oral enzymes are going to help you for two basic points:

- Improve hydrolysis of food molecules, in the way the body will not

recognize them as antigen.

- Reduce the high values of circulating antibodies.

Regards,

VICTOR

>

> My sons also have tics and we recently had IGg testing done through

MAYO

> labs. As I understand it, they send this testing on to IBT labs. I

spoke with

> someone at MAYO who said this is Flouroenzyme Immunoassay testing.

I'm

> wondering if anyone can comment on the reliability of this type

testing? My

> insurance covered this test so I went for it, but my Pediatrician

is unable to help

> with the results, as he had no idea what it even was.

>

> 13 year old son tested positive to wheat, barley, rye

> 9 yr. old egg, peanut and pork.

>

> Under reference range, there was only <2. Most of the results were

5 and

> 6's except 9 yr. old who is an extremely limited eater had a 13 for

peanut

> (peanut butter is one of about 4 foods he'll eat).

>

> I also had the Organix Dysbiosis Profile done on youngest son

through

> Metametrix. His D-Arabinitol was 51 which put him in about the 75%

range? I take

> it this means that 75% of the children 12 and under had a lower

reading?

> Again, I'm wondering how many people have used this test and if you

felt the

> results were reliable as an indication of a yeast problem. Any

comments would

> be greatly appreciated.

>

> Kim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Thanks for your answer. Maybe you do not have to analyze the lab

results in such detailed way. Because, what the antibody flags is

sometimes not so easy to catch. Antibody is very small and can just

bind very small parts on a food molecule. For example it can happens

that as your kid is not eaten meat, then the antibody was confusing

the pork meat because it is having the same molecule part that it

binds elsewere.

Anyway, by looking the results what is evident is a framework of

general bad nutrition in which the body is sensing several foods as

antigens (fortunatelly not as allergens). It can be more like a

diagnosis of leaky gut.

If you start with enzymes, you will eliminate the bad framework, the

leaky gut and the running antibodies. You can place my message in

other places.

Regards,

VICTOR

>

> Victor,

>

> Thank you so much for the reply. The high reading for peanut gave

this test

> credibility in my mind because it's one of the things conventional

allergy

> testing showed a mild reaction to, and again, because it's one of

the few

> foods he eats. The pork reaction confused me, because he hasn't

eaten any meat

> of any kind since baby food dinners. I can't imagine where he

would even get

> trace exposure to pork.

>

> One of my main concerns was that this test would miss a sensitivity

to

> something like dairy or wheat (he will eat 1 type of cracker and

pretzels), orange

> juice etc. I would hate to feel ok about giving these things if

this test

> was not as reliable as ELISA or other tests it seems like most have

done.

>

> I was wondering if I could have your permission to post your reply

to

> another group? Since this was a test that my insurance covered, and

I was able to

> get reg. Ped to order it, I thought others on a TS/tic board might

be

> interested too. Again, thank you!

>

> Kim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

My son was tested thru US BioTek Labs and it was supposed to be an

ELISA test for IgG and IgE antibodies which I have heard many say is

the best way to go (FWIW). From what I could find, the test is

supposed to be reliable for positive results as opposed to negatives.

(IOW, if it shows a reaction, it is reliable; whereas if it shows no

reaction, it does not necessarily mean there is none to that food)

Hopefully, if my understanding is wrong someone will correct me, but

this is what I found after searching the Net. I'm afraid this is the

only one I've heard of - not familiar with the one you mention. Have

you tried doing a Google search to see what you can find on the Net?

~Grace

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ! I so appreciate the ray of hope! Any idea what signs

might indicate that the gut is healed or how long it usually takes for

the gut to heal before one should try re-introducing anything?

(I am 6 mos. pregnant and barely coping with life as it is so I'll

gratefully take all the positives I can get! BTW, I am taking the

enzymes, too, and I am a mandatory c-section. Can you refresh my

memory on the rule of thumb about enzymes pre- & post- surgery?)

~Grace

> >>>but I am wondering if enzymes would allow him to eventually eat

> those foods again or is that just wistful thinking?

>

> That may be quite possible. A lot of people are able to return to

foods

> once they have been on enzymes a little. And the really good part is

> that possibly one day he can have all those foods again without

> enzymes! I and my boys used to need the DPP IV enzymes with dairy to

> control migraines, but now enzymes are not needed and we can consume

> dairy without any problems at all.

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Grace,

Thanks for your reply to my IgG testing question.

I noticed that you mentioned your son tics and wanted to share this site

with you, in case you haven't heard about " Bonnie's vitamins "

_http://www.bonniegr.com/Interview%20with%20Bonnie.htm_

(http://www.bonniegr.com/Interview%20with%20Bonnie.htm) . I use these vitamins

for both of my sons with tics. You

may not be interested in the vitamins, but you might find some useful

information on Bonnie's site anyway. Her hypothesis is based on magnesium

deficiency.

Kim