bad behavior

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lori,

ashton has the no's case today too........ although dinner went

smoothly...... lmao she loves to eat, her favorite past-time!!

the part about the speeth therapist saying david can't sequence.......what a

crock of doo..... lmao they always respond to but never to the school

officials....heheh witch teacher says ashton cant even hold a pencil with the

proper grasp, yeah RIGHT..... at private ot, she wrote a h, a d, a a, and a

t, with no prompts, or visual aids////////great steps fo rus...... she can

identify all letters, but actually writing is hard due to fine motor and

dexterity delaysl......... wish you all the luck on your move

decision.....take care,leah

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wow! nathan still having trouble sequencing three pics. i think its great he

does so well. shawna.

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Lori,

That's good that he's understanding the sequence of things.

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I like the fact that the speech teacher said he couldn't do it, and that was

something we needed to work on. She suggested I start with a sequence of 4, as

he didn't understand more than that.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 10 years, DS-ASD, ADHD, ODD

And , 16 months and Strong Willed

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It seems every year we hear that " more " teenagers are getting out of

control.

I think the reason for this is simple: They have spent their lives in

front of video games instead of using their imagination.

When you wind up turning to wild and crazy things to be happy, it shows

you do not know what to do when these wilder things are unavailable to

you.

I get more joy out of listening to the rain fall than I do watching TV.

Tom

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Teenage girls are 'out of control'

by STEVE DOUGHTY, Daily Mail 08:37am 19th May 2006

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My family was fortunately opposed to letting me stay inside as a kid. They never let me watch R rated movies, I was in bed by 9:30, I was outside most of the day and I'd damn sure finish my homework. There's alot of kids who grew up inside their houses and they don't seem to have any concept of other people because it's all about them. I remember being with one of my cousins who was raised like that and he never goes outside and now acts like a politician. environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: It seems every year we hear that "more" teenagers are getting out of control. I think the reason for this is simple: They have spent their lives in front of video games instead of using their imagination.When you wind up turning to wild and crazy things to be happy, it shows

you do not know what to do when these wilder things are unavailable to you. I get more joy out of listening to the rain fall than I do watching TV.TomAdministratorTeenage girls are 'out of control'by STEVE DOUGHTY, Daily Mail 08:37am 19th May 2006

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I think most of this has to do with how course teen society has become. The entertainment targeted at them runs from violent gangsta rap to "pro" wrestling, tramps like Britanny Spears to the Bratz dolls and girl's magazines full of sex and sex oriented "relationship" advice. Add to that that their role model, again like Spears and the other musicians and actors and also the sports stars. Almost all of those people are really screwed up and nasty people. Above all, none of this stuff includes anything like the consequences for the actions. Rappers and sports stars committ all kinds of crimes and get off easy. Singers encourage loose sexual behavior, but never seem to suffer from STDs, date rape or unwanted pregnancy.

Also, parents have been coddling the kids so much and spoiling them that they have no sense of limits. They think they can do whatever they want without anything bad happening. IN school, if the teacher jumps on them for something, they whine to their parents and the teacher ends up being the one in trouble. If their grades are poor (because they don't study) they blame the teacher, the parents whine to the schools and grades get inflated. Even when they get out into the workforce, they seem to think merely graduating high school entitles them to a $75,000 per year job off the bat, especially it they have had an internship. Read a few articles lately about that last bit and plenty over time about all the rest.

So, it is little wonder that kids are acting like this. They have no one telling them the way the world works and they have no limits or rules on them. So they just go wild.

My mother has seen this happen in her school. There are kids who's bratty behavior was seen as cute or given in to for sake of peace by the parents when the kid was young, but once they got about 3rd or 4th grade, it wasn't so cute anymore and was becoming dangerous. There are a few kids there now that I think should be thrown out because they are borderline out of control and should be in public school where they will fit right in. Even some of the kindergardeners are really bad lately.

I just don't really get it. We weren't anywhere near that bad when we were coming up. We had the class clown and the class idiot, but none of us were as terrible as many kids are these days.

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" I get more joy out of listening to the rain fall than I do watching

TV. "

Wow rain falling, I was listening to that last night, was having

dreams about thunderstorms and lightening though; think hearing the

rain in my sleep contributed to that though.

Still nothing quite like been snuggled up in a nice warm safe bed and

hearing the rain fall outside, window open of course and smelling the

freshness of the earth :-)

Kind of makes me wanna go back to bed, but the distant sirens woke

me :-(

>

> Teenage girls are 'out of control'

> by STEVE DOUGHTY, Daily Mail 08:37am 19th May 2006

>

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>

> Teenage girls are 'out of control'

> by STEVE DOUGHTY, Daily Mail 08:37am 19th May 2006

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I have a friend who is a teacher in a school in a suburban area - on each teachers desk is a phone, so that they can summon help in an emergency - what's it coming to? VISIGOTH@... wrote: I think most of this has to do with how course teen society has become. The

entertainment targeted at them runs from violent gangsta rap to "pro" wrestling, tramps like Britanny Spears to the Bratz dolls and girl's magazines full of sex and sex oriented "relationship" advice. Add to that that their role model, again like Spears and the other musicians and actors and also the sports stars. Almost all of those people are really screwed up and nasty people. Above all, none of this stuff includes anything like the consequences for the actions. Rappers and sports stars committ all kinds of crimes and get off easy. Singers encourage loose sexual behavior, but never seem to suffer from STDs, date rape or unwanted pregnancy. Also, parents have been coddling the kids so much and spoiling them that they have no sense of limits. They think they can do whatever they want without anything bad happening. IN school, if the teacher jumps on them for something, they whine to their parents and the teacher ends up being the one in

trouble. If their grades are poor (because they don't study) they blame the teacher, the parents whine to the schools and grades get inflated. Even when they get out into the workforce, they seem to think merely graduating high school entitles them to a $75,000 per year job off the bat, especially it they have had an internship. Read a few articles lately about that last bit and plenty over time about all the rest. So, it is little wonder that kids are acting like this. They have no one telling them the way the world works and they have no limits or rules on them. So they just go wild. My mother has seen this happen in her school. There are kids who's bratty behavior was seen as cute or given in to for sake of peace by the parents when the kid was young, but once they got about 3rd or 4th grade, it wasn't so cute anymore and was becoming dangerous. There are a few kids there now that I think should be thrown

out because they are borderline out of control and should be in public school where they will fit right in. Even some of the kindergardeners are really bad lately. I just don't really get it. We weren't anywhere near that bad when we were coming up. We had the class clown and the class idiot, but none of us were as terrible as many kids are these days. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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On that note........ Number one: I was responding to the video game part of the message, not the "girls gone wild" part. Number two: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. maYa <crna_kuna@...> wrote: > > Teenage girls are 'out of control'> by STEVE DOUGHTY, Daily Mail

08:37am 19th May 2006

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>

> On that note........ Number one: I was responding to the video game

part of the message, not the " girls gone wild " part. Number two:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I didn't mean to make you feel attacked, I'm defensive myself =) I

should have written IMHO, sorry!!

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We have to be sometimes. I just shaved my head and someone looked at me in a hostile way yesterday because he stereotyped me as a white supremacist. He is racist, in fact. If I hadn't been riding my bike he may have not looked at me. He just thought that since I was riding my bike that I wouldn't stop for a worthless human being like him. What misconstrued ideas people have, unoriginal, brainwashed people. maYa <crna_kuna@...> wrote: >> On that note........ Number one: I was responding to the video game part of the message, not the "girls gone wild" part. Number two: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I didn't mean to make you feel attacked, I'm defensive myself =) I should have written IMHO, sorry!!FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

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nick wrote:

> I just shaved my head and someone looked at me

> in a hostile way yesterday because he stereotyped me as a white

> supremacist. He is racist, in fact.

Isn't just absolutely amazing how much you can tell about a person and

his thoughts just from one glance.

> What misconstrued ideas people have, unoriginal, brainwashed people.

Are you speaking of yourself. You truly have not the slightest idea what

he saw or what he was thinking. Maybe he did not see you at all. Maybe

he was looking at so scene that was unfolding behind you that you had no

awareness off. For you to judge him as racist is completely off base and

unfair. All you mention is that you had shaved your head. How is

someones disapproval of that racist? Is he a different race than you?

Does that make every negative opinion he has of you racist? I say

absolutely not! If it has nothing to do with race, and head shaving

certainly does not, then it can not possibly be racist.

It is much more likely that you were feeling self conscious about the

fact that you had your head shaved and were thereby projecting that on him.

Ace.

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I said it in part because of my own frustration on myself and yes, I did feel self-conscious about having my head shaved but, racism is what stood out in my mind because I have a part of me that's racist. I was saying that I am unoriginal, brainwashed and too self-absorbed and only made it sound plausible that the man who looked at me in a hostile way could have been the same way. It's all in how you interpret it Ace. I had to laugh at the first line though! I'm saying that my unconscious mind discriminates based on society's judgement of me. I don't believe people that say they don't care about how they present themselves or say they aren't racist because it can always be argued against unless you don't move, don't eat, don't think, don't talk, and don't have an image to uphold. acsnag@... wrote: nick wrote:> I just shaved my head and

someone looked at me > in a hostile way yesterday because he stereotyped me as a white > supremacist. He is racist, in fact. Isn't just absolutely amazing how much you can tell about a person and his thoughts just from one glance.> What misconstrued ideas people have, unoriginal, brainwashed people.Are you speaking of yourself. You truly have not the slightest idea what he saw or what he was thinking. Maybe he did not see you at all. Maybe he was looking at so scene that was unfolding behind you that you had no awareness off. For you to judge him as racist is completely off base and unfair. All you mention is that you had shaved your head. How is someones disapproval of that racist? Is he a different race than you? Does that make every negative opinion he has of you racist? I say absolutely not! If it has nothing to do with race, and head shaving certainly does not, then it can not possibly be

racist.It is much more likely that you were feeling self conscious about the fact that you had your head shaved and were thereby projecting that on him.Ace.

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, nick <drumthis2001@>

> wrote:

> >

> Ever seen a library girl with big glasses and shy behaviour as an

> ideal image????? Think again. What does society tell you? What do

> *you* believe?

>

I just have to say I was a shy library girl with big glasses. I met

my husband in the library. So apparently there are a few guys out

there that like my type. Or at least one. Well actually I have had

guys walk up to me in the library before that seemed like nice,

intellegent guys that seemed interested in me. So there is hope for

us brainy, shy library girls with glasses.

Ilah

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Library types attract me.

More specificially, women who do NOT appear to be " on the prowl "

attract me.

My experience has been that the less dating or partners a woman has,

the more she apreciates and respects dating and partnership.

Tom

Administrator

> >

> Ever seen a library girl with big glasses and shy behaviour as an

> ideal image????? Think again. What does society tell you? What do

> *you* believe?

>

I just have to say I was a shy library girl with big glasses. I met

my husband in the library. So apparently there are a few guys out

there that like my type. Or at least one. Well actually I have had

guys walk up to me in the library before that seemed like nice,

intellegent guys that seemed interested in me. So there is hope for

us brainy, shy library girls with glasses.

Ilah

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I think one important factor contributing to teens feeling and acting

out of control is not that their parents are coddling them, but that

their parents are barely existent. Children are being raised by

daycare staff. They lack confidence, security, self-awareness,

belonging, a foundation that they expected from their parents. Instead

they turn to their peers as role models, as substitute attachment

figures, pseudo parents.

-sara

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hooray!! there's hope for me too then!! =)) although I have to admit

I usually feel attracted to men who have similar ideals as I do (and

to a lesser degree similar interests and life style), so the best

places for me to find a mate are those where I'm clearly involved

with idealistic stuff and stuff which really interests me.

But ok, there are no guarantees anywhere.. one has to simply wait and

grab the chance when it's there.

> > >

> > Ever seen a library girl with big glasses and shy behaviour as an

> > ideal image????? Think again. What does society tell you? What do

> > *you* believe?

> >

>

> I just have to say I was a shy library girl with big glasses. I met

> my husband in the library. So apparently there are a few guys out

> there that like my type. Or at least one. Well actually I have had

> guys walk up to me in the library before that seemed like nice,

> intellegent guys that seemed interested in me. So there is hope for

> us brainy, shy library girls with glasses.

>

> Ilah

>

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I do not believe that any of us can generalize that daycare staff are

the biggest reason why teens are feeling and acting out of control.

In fact, that could be seen as insulting to many parents who have no

other choice but to use daycare in order to earn a living with which

to raise their children, especially single parents who already are

made to feel guilty enough by society for being single parents.

The problem is more a case of complete abdication of responsibilities

by parents regardless of where their children are during the parents'

workday.

I know of children who have stay-at-home parents who are feeling and

acting out of control. I know of children who have stay-at-home

parents who are in control of themselves. I also know of children who

are cared for by daycare staff who are more in control of themselves

than children who are not cared for by daycare staff.

It all comes down to where the parents invest themselves in their

children when they can be involved. If the child is ignored when the

parent could be investing in the child, then of course the child will

feel alienated and unwanted and turn to more damaging situations and

role models.

But sara, let's not paint daycare providers as the reason why teens

are feeling and acting out of control. The substitution comes about

due to the manner in which the parents interact -- or refuse to

interact -- with their child.

Raven

>

> I think one important factor contributing to teens feeling and acting

> out of control is not that their parents are coddling them, but that

> their parents are barely existent. Children are being raised by

> daycare staff. They lack confidence, security, self-awareness,

> belonging, a foundation that they expected from their parents.

Instead

> they turn to their peers as role models, as substitute attachment

> figures, pseudo parents.

>

> -sara

>

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> But sara, let's not paint daycare providers as the reason why teens

> are feeling and acting out of control. The substitution comes about

> due to the manner in which the parents interact -- or refuse to

> interact -- with their child.

I didn't intend to implicate daycare staff as the cause of children

feeling lost in the world, but rather the children's lack of a primary

attachment when neither the parent or temporary caregiver is fully

available.

I'm basing this idea on my perception of a primate's need and

evolutionary expectation for a securely attached primary relationship

with its mother before he or she feels safe and ready to develop

additional relationships.

Single parenting situations happen, but I don't believe that these

situations change what a child needs. I had a single mom. She found a

way to care for me herself which was her instinct.

-sara

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In a message dated 5/21/2006 9:59:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, ravenmagic2003@... writes:

The problem is more a case of complete abdication of responsibilities by parents regardless of where their children are during the parents' workday.

I think this is the biggest problem. In my mother's experience, if the parent is easily dominated by the child or the parent doesn't much care about the child, then those will be the biggest problem kids. Likewise if the parent constantly makes excuses for bad behavior or even condones it (some parents have actually encouraged their kids to fight for and take whatever they wanted while others have seemed to try arrange situations for lawsuits against the school). Latchkey kids without supervision are also another type of this.

The simple fact is that without proper supervision and discipline, not meaning harsh kinds but but a firm guiding hand, kids will run wild. It is in their nature to press boundaries, some moreso than other, and if those boundaries are pliable or noexistant, then they will keep pushing. The boundaries are supposed to teach restraint and moral conduct. If there are no boundaries, odds are they aren't going to learn either or will have a very skewed sense of these.

The lack of fathers is also directly linked to to high crime rates and this other bad behavior. I won't really go into figures here, but the correlation is there. We even see this in other animals. In Africa, because of the hunting of older males for their tusks, many young male elephants ran wild. These gangs would kill other animals just for fun, tear up fields and were just generally terrors. To combat this without killing them, surviving older males were introduced to these groups. The young males shaped up very quickly once the older male established order.

Unfortunately, I think this whole thing is going to get much worse before it gets better. Illegitamacy is on the rise in all racial groups and with it the incidence of crime and bad behavior. I doubt this trend will reverse soon but I just hope that it won't be fatal to Western Culture.

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In a message dated 5/21/2006 9:59:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, ravenmagic2003@... writes:

The problem is more a case of complete abdication of responsibilities by parents regardless of where their children are during the parents' workday.

I think this is the biggest problem. In my mother's experience, if the parent is easily dominated by the child or the parent doesn't much care about the child, then those will be the biggest problem kids. Likewise if the parent constantly makes excuses for bad behavior or even condones it (some parents have actually encouraged their kids to fight for and take whatever they wanted while others have seemed to try arrange situations for lawsuits against the school). Latchkey kids without supervision are also another type of this.

The simple fact is that without proper supervision and discipline, not meaning harsh kinds but but a firm guiding hand, kids will run wild. It is in their nature to press boundaries, some moreso than other, and if those boundaries are pliable or noexistant, then they will keep pushing. The boundaries are supposed to teach restraint and moral conduct. If there are no boundaries, odds are they aren't going to learn either or will have a very skewed sense of these.

The lack of fathers is also directly linked to to high crime rates and this other bad behavior. I won't really go into figures here, but the correlation is there. We even see this in other animals. In Africa, because of the hunting of older males for their tusks, many young male elephants ran wild. These gangs would kill other animals just for fun, tear up fields and were just generally terrors. To combat this without killing them, surviving older males were introduced to these groups. The young males shaped up very quickly once the older male established order.

Unfortunately, I think this whole thing is going to get much worse before it gets better. Illegitamacy is on the rise in all racial groups and with it the incidence of crime and bad behavior. I doubt this trend will reverse soon but I just hope that it won't be fatal to Western Culture.

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Er...

I'm with Raven.

Sorry.

Tom

Administrator

Library types attract me.

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I am married to a career librarian .... .

Amy

Re: Bad behavior

Er...I'm with Raven. Sorry.TomAdministratorLibrary types attract me.