Re: Antivirals/Anita

[Guest guest]

Anita,

Not Meenakshi, but I would like to know what immune boosters you may

reccommend?

Anita Kugelstadt <mysuperteach@...> wrote:

Meenakshi,

I started my son on a viral protocol without running viral titres

(or at least any that were of any use). It is obvious from his

reaction that he has viral issues. This, in spite of the fact that

he had almost none of the soft signs of viral problems (see viral

file for that information and other stuff you might find useful).

I also know there are people who have used a viral protocol in spite

of the complete viral titres tests showing no high numbers and ahve

had success.

I personally think that using natural antivirals, like Virastop, in

a way where you titrate up cautiously is something many parents of

ASD kids should try. The more I read about viruses and our kids

compromised immune systems, the more I believe that a good number

of our kids have these problems. I would also encourage you, if you

are considering a viral protocol, to be sure to use immune boosters,

perhaps even in advance to prepare for it.

As for Virastop, it will digest the protein sheath of any virus

which has one, so it is not formulated for only one particular virus.

I hope this helps,

Anita

>

> Hi all,

>

> We recently did an autism panel testing through

> Immunosciences lab. it shows that our son doesn't have

> the measeles virus. Apparently, the rubeola titer is

> normal. but, I understand from previous posts that

> there are other viral panels too which we haven't

> done. Would it be o.kay. to try a broad spectrum

> antiviral like Virastop, whether or not there are

> viral issues. I know that there are several parents in

> this list use antivirals for some issues. Is the

> antiviral like Virasop tailored to work on a

> particular viral issue? Just wanted to get more

> information about it.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Meenakshi.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Anita has put together a wonderful file on viral issues, which

includes a discussion on immune boosters, on the Autism_Mercury

list. If you are not a member, it is well worth joining, if only

for that!

Anne

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We recently did an autism panel testing through

> > Immunosciences lab. it shows that our son doesn't have

> > the measeles virus. Apparently, the rubeola titer is

> > normal. but, I understand from previous posts that

> > there are other viral panels too which we haven't

> > done. Would it be o.kay. to try a broad spectrum

> > antiviral like Virastop, whether or not there are

> > viral issues. I know that there are several parents in

> > this list use antivirals for some issues. Is the

> > antiviral like Virasop tailored to work on a

> > particular viral issue? Just wanted to get more

> > information about it.

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Meenakshi.

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

We use Colostrum made by Kirkman's. www.kirkmanlabs.com

A ton of people I know are useing Transfor Factor which is a huge

immune booster supplement.

-Crystla

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We recently did an autism panel testing through

> > Immunosciences lab. it shows that our son doesn't have

> > the measeles virus. Apparently, the rubeola titer is

> > normal. but, I understand from previous posts that

> > there are other viral panels too which we haven't

> > done. Would it be o.kay. to try a broad spectrum

> > antiviral like Virastop, whether or not there are

> > viral issues. I know that there are several parents in

> > this list use antivirals for some issues. Is the

> > antiviral like Virasop tailored to work on a

> > particular viral issue? Just wanted to get more

> > information about it.

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Meenakshi.

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I see you've received some answers already. The file that Anne

mentioned is here also at our group, although I recommend autism-

mercury to anyone with an autistic child. Well worth joining.

When choosing immune boosters you need to consider what each one can

do. For example, I use astragalus root and echinacea in rotation to

help raise NK cell numbers and IP-6 to help make those NK cells more

active. I also use colostrum to boost the immune system generally,

and because it is supposed to be good for GI issues related to

viruses. Like most parents, I also use zinc, Vit A and C (lots of it

sometimes). I would really like to use Thymic Protein but it costs

quite a bit, especially here in Canada, so it will have to wait.

All of my choices are easy to dose: something that is important when

you're giving a three year old 25 different supps a day.

I hope this might help,

Anita

>

> Anita,

> Not Meenakshi, but I would like to know what immune boosters you

may reccommend?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really thank Anita for undertaking that viral document...done

voluntarily under her own initiative. That took some time and effort!

Please, if anyone is doing the enzyme program for viruses, do drop me a

line or post here about what you experienced. It will be important for

refining these guidelines and moing this forward.

Oh...and I found a possible explanation for the anti-viral and

increased yeast issue which I'll post separately.

.

[Guest guest]

I too would like to thank you Anita, not only for your hard work on the

viral file, but also for the supplement file in A-M group. This

document has been very helpful for me and I'm certain many others in

the group. Your contributions of time and energy are very much

appreciated!! Sheresa

>

> I really thank Anita for undertaking that viral document...done

> voluntarily under her own initiative. That took some time and effort!

>

> Please, if anyone is doing the enzyme program for viruses, do drop me

a

> line or post here about what you experienced. It will be important

for

> refining these guidelines and moing this forward.

>

> Oh...and I found a possible explanation for the anti-viral and

> increased yeast issue which I'll post separately.

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

You are most welcome :-)

Here goes:

Vitamins A, B50, C, E

MethylB12

Magnesium citrate and magnesium sulfate TD

Calcium citrate

CLO and High EPA fish oil

Evening primrose oil

Milk thistle

Lecithin

Folinic acid

zinc picolinate and sulfate in TD

Taurine

Broad Spectrum Amino Acids

Selenium

Molybdenum

Co-enzyme Q10

TMG

Candex

GSE (sometimes, as necessary)

TD Glutathione

Culturelle

Super Pro Bio probiotics

Sambucol

Colostrum

Rotating astragalus root and echinacea

Virastop

Lauricidin

DMSA and ALA for chelation

Melatonin

AFP peptizyde, zyme prime, no fenol

Waiting in the wings: biotin (too afraid of the constipation that

might result right now), OLE (again, worried about the smooth muscle

impact right now), P5P.

I think that's it. I didn't write down doses or why I use them. If

you have any questions though, I'd be happy to share what I know.

As for the VS. I'm not sure if you remember but I did use a viral

protocol on my son before. He had a very big reaction which scared

me and I stopped the protocol. Now I am increasing things VERY

slowly. We've been at this for 14 days and we're up to 4 VS a day

and 10 lauricidin, plus the daily sambucol and immune boosters.

Each time I increase the VS he gets a small viral rash on his face.

I'm glad to see that but I'm just as glad to keep it small.

Sometimes just one little red bump. Last night I increased by 1 VS

with a night dose of chelator, so very empty stomach, and he woke

up this morning with about 8 - 10 little red bumps. He also gets

little mini-fevers that last for an hour or so and then leave.

I'll stay at this dose for a few days, until all the bumps are

gone. I really do want to use OLE because I think it is great, but

this time around ONE THING INTRODUCED AT A TIME! And I really mean

it. :-)

VS is pricey. If you get it over the internet I think the cheapest

is usually about $29/ bottle (about 372 Canadian dollars with

shipping ;-) just kidding, but it does seem that way some days). I

intend to VS the whole family at some point, so cost matters.

Best wishes,

Anita

>

> Really good information Anita!

>

> You are giving 25 supplements everyday? May I ask what they all

are? I have been recently going over the different ones I have in

stock and get things a little more organized. I feel we are on to

something with my son. He has been progressing so well lately. I

just want to make sure I am getting him everything he needs. I

downloaded and printed the supplement list from this group, SO

handy! I just am wondering what all you are doing. I would also be

interested in your results from the Virastop trial you are doing.

After reading the report we are going to start it very shortly. I

need to stock up on a couple bottles and make sure my HFS can keep

me in stock!

>

> Thanks so much!

>

[Guest guest]

Anita,

Thank you for clarifying that the A_M group is worth joining for more

than the antiviral file! I certainly did not do a good job of

expressing my thoughts. As I hope you know, I meant that if your

viral file were all someone got from the list, it would be well worth

signing on. I think that list has incredible people on it and

provides incredible resources. So, again, thanks for clearing that

up. I will try to be more careful! And thanks for all your work. I

am very glad to read that your son is holding up well on your new

antiviral protocol.

Thanks again,

Best,

Anne

> >

> > Anita,

> > Not Meenakshi, but I would like to know what immune boosters

you

> may reccommend?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Let me premise all this by saying that the reason I wrote the viral

file was because I knew NOTHING. I'm just barely one step up from

that now, so please don't think I'm any sort of expert.

Now, most of what I know about the rash is what I've learned from

's write-up that she posted earlier:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtVirusStudyReport.htm#6

I need to read her work again--it is extremely helpful.

What she theorizes is that perhaps when the virus is being attacked,

it travels up through the nerves until it reaches the skin. Because

the rash seems to localize, this theory makes sense (unless, of

course you have viruses all over your body, which might be the case

for some people). My son seems to get the rash on his face. Once

he had a bit on one spot on his arm. Nowhere else on his body.

I have read on another list the theory that the rash is in fact a

sign of metals being excreted. I don't believe this. Although

viruses and metals may very well be related in our ASD kids, I don't

think that attacking viruses will actually cause our kids to start

excreting metals. Further to that, kids who are chelating do not

get this rash. My son, for example, has gotten the rash within less

than 60 minutes of taking the antivirals. There is no way that he

could start excreting metals in that short period of time. Even

during periods where urine and fecal test prove he is excreting a

lot of metals he has no rash.

So, the significance of a rash appearing is that something in your

viral protocol is helping your child's body to attack the virus.

This is good. What is bad is if the attack is so strong that it

overwhelms your child (and you). This is what happened during the

first viral protocol I tried. I did too much too quickly while

chelating and had to stop. I talk about this a lot not because I

enjoy admitting to lots of people that I screwed up in a very big

way, but because I hope that other people can learn from my

mistake. When you read 's work, you'll see how things like

rashes (not everyone gets them) and other responses will help you

adjust your viral protocol up or down as the case may be.

I hope this helps. :-)

Anita

>

> Anita,

> I have seen rashes mentioned before when folks use antivirals. I

believe I have a kid that does not have gut, yeast or bacteria

issues. Please tell me the significance of seeing a rash appear...it

seems to be good news! I hate to sound ignorant, but on this, I AM a

duh!

>

>

[Guest guest]

FWIW, my son had some rashes and fever on and off before chelating.

He had even more rashes and fever going on and off after we started

chelation. The rash he had seemed to match the " mercury rash " some

people described. I do not know. We've chelated for two years. He

does not get anymore rash or fever, but still has lots of viral

issues causing seizures (that's what I believe nobody knows for

sure!).

> >

> > Anita,

> > I have seen rashes mentioned before when folks use antivirals.

I

> believe I have a kid that does not have gut, yeast or bacteria

> issues. Please tell me the significance of seeing a rash

appear...it

> seems to be good news! I hate to sound ignorant, but on this, I AM

a

> duh!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Anita,

> I have seen rashes mentioned before when folks use antivirals. I

believe I have a kid that does not have gut, yeast or bacteria issues.

Please tell me the significance of seeing a rash appear...it seems to

be good news! I hate to sound ignorant, but on this, I AM a duh!

For my son, I give anti-virals and he develops a rash [which comes and

goes in waves]. For him, it means the viruses are coming out of his body.

Dana

[Guest guest]

how would you describe a " mercury rash " ? We just started

chelation last weekend so this would be something I could be on the

lookout for. Thanks

Sheresa

> > >

> > > Anita,

> > > I have seen rashes mentioned before when folks use

antivirals.

> I

> > believe I have a kid that does not have gut, yeast or bacteria

> > issues. Please tell me the significance of seeing a rash

> appear...it

> > seems to be good news! I hate to sound ignorant, but on this, I

AM

> a

> > duh!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Have you done a viral protocol? I know of one person whose daughter

stopped seizing within a few hours of starting VS. Now, this

protocol wasn't followed through with for a variety of reasons, and

the mom has been dealing with a number of other more pressing

problems with her child, so this mighth have been only temporary and

there definitely isn't an end to this story yet, but I thought I'd

mention it.

Anita

>

> FWIW, my son had some rashes and fever on and off before

chelating.

> He had even more rashes and fever going on and off after we

started

> chelation. The rash he had seemed to match the " mercury rash " some

> people described. I do not know. We've chelated for two years. He

> does not get anymore rash or fever, but still has lots of viral

> issues causing seizures (that's what I believe nobody knows for

> sure!).

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Anita. Yes, I am trying to do some viral stuff right now but

it is not easy. He is reacting very strongly in term of behaviors,

even with very low doses and sometimes it causes lots of seizures.

Thanks,

> >

> > FWIW, my son had some rashes and fever on and off before

> chelating.

> > He had even more rashes and fever going on and off after we

> started

> > chelation. The rash he had seemed to match the " mercury rash "

some

> > people described. I do not know. We've chelated for two years. He

> > does not get anymore rash or fever, but still has lots of viral

> > issues causing seizures (that's what I believe nobody knows for

> > sure!).

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I remember back when everybody got measles, it was always considered

a good sign when the measles rash actually " came out. " (As opposed

to just the fever, etc.) Now I am not sure why people thought this,

just kind of interesting. I had another friend whose husband worked

at the virology lab at Cornell and she told me that when measles

rashes appeared on the skin, similar lesions were also appearing on

all the internal organs--did not sound very appealing to me.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 29, 2006, at 1:02 AM, Anita Kugelstadt wrote:

>

> What she theorizes is that perhaps when the virus is being attacked,

> it travels up through the nerves until it reaches the skin. Because

> the rash seems to localize, this theory makes sense (unless, of

> course you have viruses all over your body, which might be the case

> for some people). My son seems to get the rash on his face. Once

> he had a bit on one spot on his arm. Nowhere else on his body.

>

> I have read on another list the theory that the rash is in fact a

> sign of metals being excreted. I don't believe this.

[Guest guest]

LOL, Anita, does your child have any room left for FOOD? (just

kidding) Kathy E.

On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Anita Kugelstadt wrote:

> You are most welcome :-)

>

> Here goes:

>

> Vitamins A, B50, C, E

> MethylB12

> Magnesium citrate and magnesium sulfate TD

> Calcium citrate

> CLO and High EPA fish oil

> Evening primrose oil

> Milk thistle

> Lecithin

> Folinic acid

> zinc picolinate and sulfate in TD

> Taurine

> Broad Spectrum Amino Acids

> Selenium

> Molybdenum

> Co-enzyme Q10

> TMG

> Candex

> GSE (sometimes, as necessary)

> TD Glutathione

> Culturelle

> Super Pro Bio probiotics

> Sambucol

> Colostrum

> Rotating astragalus root and echinacea

> Virastop

> Lauricidin

> DMSA and ALA for chelation

> Melatonin

> AFP peptizyde, zyme prime, no fenol

>

> Waiting in the wings: biotin (too afraid of the constipation that

> might result right now), OLE (again, worried about the smooth muscle

> impact right now), P5P.

>

[Guest guest]

It would certainly make sense to me given my daughter's history of

grand mal seizures after her mumps vaccine at 12, and also the number

of VAERs reports of seizures.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 30, 2006, at 12:24 AM, ferdeson wrote:

> . We've chelated for two years. He

> does not get anymore rash or fever, but still has lots of viral

> issues causing seizures (that's what I believe nobody knows for

> sure!).

>

>

>

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Let me premise all this by saying that the reason I wrote the viral

> > file was because I knew NOTHING. I'm just barely one step up from

> > that now, so please don't think I'm any sort of expert.

[Guest guest]

>

> I remember back when everybody got measles, it was always considered

> a good sign when the measles rash actually " came out. " (As opposed

> to just the fever, etc.) Now I am not sure why people thought this,

> just kind of interesting.

Possibly because this meant the virus was coming out of the body,

instead of just staying inside the body where it could emerge later

and cause additional problems.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Well, my two cents into this converstaion is that strangely, my

son's bad rash on his one leg misteriously disappeared with the

vomitting he had a couple days ago!! I could not believe it! Probably

viruses leaving his body... The rash has been there off an on for the

past 2 years...

Both my #2 and #3 will vomit when a virus " breaks " . For them, it is a

good sign.

Dana