Re: can HN I enzyme interruption send you back to square 1?

[Guest guest]

Don't know...but, do understand the " CRANKY "

disposition! We started Houston enzymes and my son

has been a MONSTER to deal with. Every little thing

sets him off! I have no idea if the Houston enzymes

are the reason...but, that's interesting you saw some

bad moods too after starting.

Lori

--- mama2gandj <cpbaum@...> wrote:

> We introduced HN Zyme Prime & AFP Peptizide to our

> 4.5 yo daughter

> over 3 weeks ago. The first week was awful, but once

> she was on 1 of

> each with every meal, she started to get alittle

> happier every day...

> I ordered more Zyme (my trial ran out), but they

> didn't arrive in

> time. So last weekend I had to substitute some older

> Kirkman Isodase

> enzymes for the Zyme until I got it in the mail on

> Monday. She had 5

> or 6 meals either with Peptizide only, or with half

> of a Kirkman and

> the Peptizide. She actually had a pretty good

> weekend, but since then

> has had a cranky disposition most days and says she

> wants to lie down

> alot.

>

> Could the 2-day HN Zyme Prime interruption have sent

> her back to

> square one? Is the adjustment period just taking

> longer than it

> should, or is it likely that she's not tolerating

> it?

>

> I'd appreciate any insight!!

>

>

>

>

>

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> Could the 2-day HN Zyme Prime interruption have sent her back to

> square one? Is the adjustment period just taking longer than it

> should, or is it likely that she's not tolerating it?

I would guess that her body was re-adjusting to the new enzyme

protocol, and not liking it as much. Try giving the Zyme Prime again,

see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply, Dana.

She was off of Zyme Prime only for about 5 meals last weekend. It's

been 6 days since she's resumed the Zyme Prime - one Peptizide and

one HN Zyme Prime with all meals. But she's waking up cranky every

morning. Sometimes she levels out during the morning, and sometimes

she stays fussy. Don't know if she's still withdrawing from peptides

after almost a month on the Peptizide, or if she can't tolerate the

HN Zyme Prime. Additional thoughts?

> > Could the 2-day HN Zyme Prime interruption have sent her back to

> > square one? Is the adjustment period just taking longer than it

> > should, or is it likely that she's not tolerating it?

>

>

> I would guess that her body was re-adjusting to the new enzyme

> protocol, and not liking it as much. Try giving the Zyme Prime

again,

> see if that helps.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your reply, Dana.

> She was off of Zyme Prime only for about 5 meals last weekend. It's

> been 6 days since she's resumed the Zyme Prime - one Peptizide and

> one HN Zyme Prime with all meals. But she's waking up cranky every

> morning. Sometimes she levels out during the morning, and sometimes

> she stays fussy. Don't know if she's still withdrawing from peptides

> after almost a month on the Peptizide, or if she can't tolerate the

> HN Zyme Prime. Additional thoughts?

Might be other foods she is eating that she does not tolerate. It

would not have shown up as much when she was on Peptizyde only, but

now that she is also on Zyme Prime, the other foods might really be

showing. For example, high phenol foods might be a problem, and now

that the other foods are being handled, the phenols are showing.

Is this the ZP with papain/bromelain? If so, she might not tolerate

the bromelain. Peptizyde has papain, so she probably does not have a

problem with that. Do you notice problems with pineapple? Bromelain

is made from pineapple. Try purchasing the SCD version of Zyme Prime,

which does not contain bromelain, see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks again, Dana.

It might be other foods, although I have no idea which ones. Since

she's so cranky, at times I wonder if she's intolerant of much of

what she eats. I know, though, that this will subside as her gut

heals... She's on SCD and we're rotating foods, so I definitely

notice a pattern - the morning after she eats bananas, beef &

broccoli is almost always grumpier than others. But I think there's

something else at play here, since she's inconsistently grumpy other

days too.

As far as the papain/bromelain thing goes, she's on HN Zyme Prime -

the cellulose version didn't do the job, as she still had yucky

stools with undigested food. She can tolerate alittle pineapple - it

doesn't make her cranky, just stimmy with her mouth (humming), as

many very sweet fruits do (bananas, pears...). Is that yeast or just

sugar overload? I did take her off of papaya a while ago, thinking

it was making her grumpy... could it be the papain? I don't notice

an obvious reaction from the AFP Peptizide alone.

Thanks again for helping me troubleshoot this!

> > Thanks for your reply, Dana.

> > She was off of Zyme Prime only for about 5 meals last weekend.

It's

> > been 6 days since she's resumed the Zyme Prime - one Peptizide

and

> > one HN Zyme Prime with all meals. But she's waking up cranky

every

> > morning. Sometimes she levels out during the morning, and

sometimes

> > she stays fussy. Don't know if she's still withdrawing from

peptides

> > after almost a month on the Peptizide, or if she can't tolerate

the

> > HN Zyme Prime. Additional thoughts?

>

>

> Might be other foods she is eating that she does not tolerate. It

> would not have shown up as much when she was on Peptizyde only, but

> now that she is also on Zyme Prime, the other foods might really be

> showing. For example, high phenol foods might be a problem, and

now

> that the other foods are being handled, the phenols are showing.

>

> Is this the ZP with papain/bromelain? If so, she might not

tolerate

> the bromelain. Peptizyde has papain, so she probably does not

have a

> problem with that. Do you notice problems with pineapple?

Bromelain

> is made from pineapple. Try purchasing the SCD version of Zyme

Prime,

> which does not contain bromelain, see if that helps.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> Thanks again, Dana.

> It might be other foods, although I have no idea which ones.

Rotate foods and keep a journal, write down EVERYTHING.

Since

> she's so cranky, at times I wonder if she's intolerant of much of

> what she eats. I know, though, that this will subside as her gut

> heals... She's on SCD

My son would not have been able to do SCD, because he did not tolerate

most of the SCD legal foods, even with enzymes.

> As far as the papain/bromelain thing goes, she's on HN Zyme Prime -

> the cellulose version didn't do the job, as she still had yucky

> stools with undigested food. She can tolerate alittle pineapple - it

> doesn't make her cranky, just stimmy with her mouth (humming), as

> many very sweet fruits do (bananas, pears...). Is that yeast or just

> sugar overload?

Sugar overload usually means yeast.

Might be the fruits themselves, might be sugar/yeast.

>>I did take her off of papaya a while ago, thinking

> it was making her grumpy... could it be the papain? I don't notice

> an obvious reaction from the AFP Peptizide alone.

AFP does not contain papain, just regular Peptizyde.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana.

> Rotate foods and keep a journal, write down EVERYTHING.

I do write down everything, and we do rotate foods - it should be

obvious by now, but I haven't figured it out yet. There's one day

out of the 4 that she's always grumpy. It's just hard to know if

it's something she ate the day before that makes her fussy, if it's

something in her breakfast, or both. I'll keep trying different

combinations until I figure it out.

> My son would not have been able to do SCD, because he did not

tolerate

> most of the SCD legal foods, even with enzymes.

At the beginning, SCD really agreed with her and we saw huge

improvements. But then she developed intolerances to eggs, almonds

and other staples and was cranky all the time. Now we're rotating

foods, and some days are definitely easier than others... but I've

had trouble pinpointing the culprit. She eats mostly meat, veggies &

fruit, with goat yogurt for snacks. She's eating very few nuts,

since she's had trouble digesting them. I've been giving Peptizide

with nuts - is that the right thing to do? Or does she need Zyme

too since there are fats and other things in there?

> Sugar overload usually means yeast.

> Might be the fruits themselves, might be sugar/yeast.

She recently had a course of Candidase (3x/day for over a week) and

since then has been taking 2 at bedtime for maintenance. Shouldn't

that keep yeast down? The stimminess usually lasts maybe an hour

after eating and then goes away. If it's the fruits themselves,

shouldn't the enzymes help? Maybe she needs more than one capsule?

Or would I need No-Fenol to break down fruits? It even happens with

apple sauce and pear sauce, which she shouldn't have any trouble

digesting... She can't be intolerant of all fruit, can she?

Thanks again!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Oh, yes, she certainly can! Way back in the thirties, there was a

food allergy pioneer, Dr. Rowe, and he documented patients who were

allergic to all fruit

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:30 AM, mama2gandj wrote:

> She can't be intolerant of all fruit, can she?

>

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> I do write down everything, and we do rotate foods - it should be

> obvious by now, but I haven't figured it out yet.

It is not always obvious. For example, it might be a teacher that

wears a perfume only occasionally. But you might be able to correlate

the behaviors with a certain class or therapy session.

>>I've been giving Peptizide

> with nuts - is that the right thing to do? Or does she need Zyme

> too since there are fats and other things in there?

I gave both with nuts and other proteins.

> She recently had a course of Candidase (3x/day for over a week) and

> since then has been taking 2 at bedtime for maintenance. Shouldn't

> that keep yeast down?

Depends on what she eats, and what supplements you use.

The stimminess usually lasts maybe an hour

> after eating and then goes away. If it's the fruits themselves,

> shouldn't the enzymes help?

No-Fenol helped my son with certain fruit issues, but not all fruits,

especially not orange fruits and certain red fruits.

> Or would I need No-Fenol to break down fruits? It even happens with

> apple sauce and pear sauce, which she shouldn't have any trouble

> digesting... She can't be intolerant of all fruit, can she?

My son tolerated no foods, including no fruits. No-Fenol helped with

many fruits, but not all.

Dana