Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 In a message dated 2/2/2004 4:10:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Libsak@... writes: > Hi > I haven't written in a while because my adult daughter, Deb has been > doing pretty well. She has just finished 4 months of doxycycline > followed by tetracycline. She sees a llmd. Today she found out that her > liver looks like it has some problems, probably due to all the > antibiotics. I will know more later today. Has anyone else had this > and what did you do? > Libby > > Hi Libby- I talked with you a long time ago. If she is showing " elevated liver enzymes " , that means she is throwing off alot of toxins and the liver is trying to process them. Usually, LLMDs would stop or cut back the abx to give the liver a chance to process. I do not follow the abx route after doing 5yrs. Abx just chase the spirochetes in hopes of catching a few million. Problem? Once you stop them, the lyme comes raging back, right back to square 1. How do you get off them?? Detoxing, cleansing and then nourishing and rebuilding the body. All the hard work your daughter has done should be followed by just this so she doesn't go back to square 1. sue massie, CNHP 732 933-4011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Hi I haven't written in a while because my adult daughter, Deb has been doing pretty well. She has just finished 4 months of doxycycline followed by tetracycline. She sees a llmd. Today she found out that her liver looks like it has some problems, probably due to all the antibiotics. I will know more later today. Has anyone else had this and what did you do? Libby ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 In a message dated 2/3/2004 3:44:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, suelymer97@... writes: > > Sue, > > I have asked this before, but will try again....how much does it cost to go > through your treatment plan? What are your stats on success? How long is > the treatment? > > Thanks....Sue V. > > I have not seen an e-mail from you requesting 'prices'. Since every person is different, each protocol is geared to that individual. As for a general that most people start with... it is the 90-day colon cleansing product of EXPERIENCE, $40 for the 3 mo. supply, more or less. (some people need more than 1 before bed). The COMPLETE multi-vit/min/enzyme/etc. is $35. From there.... artemesinin, $26 and like I said.... it goes individual to that particular client. Price is not the issue when one is trying to obtain better health. I am NOT saying that $$ doesn't matter, the sky is the limit either. As a matter of fact, I am currently working on setting up a Lyme/ALS/MS/degenerative disease non-profit foundation in which funds will be available for those that can't afford care. It will be called the Celebrate Life Foundation. It is in the works now. As far as " stats " , I don't keep such records. It would be impossible for anyone to. Drs. don't have a clue as to whom they have really helped and which patients just sort of went away, still sick. I have many clients that have reported to me (ALS, MS, lyme, whatever) that they are seeing and feeling marked improvement. Is it all due to me?? No. We are all responsible for our own health and I don't heal anyone.... we heal ourselves. I am merely a teacher of information. How long is the treatment?? Sue, you know the answer to that question already. I am surprised you ask. You have said very negative things about me on other boards and I am not sure the tone of this e-mail of yours either. I am going to be positive about this and hope you are asking with good intentions. If so, great. I would be more than happy to help you. If not, best of luck. sue massie, CNHP 732 933-4011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 In a message dated 2/3/04 12:44:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, suelymer97@... writes: Sue, I have asked this before, but will try again....how much does it cost to go through your treatment plan? What are your stats on success? How long is the treatment? Thanks....Sue V. Good questions. I hope lyme aid doesn't mind you answering these questions on line. Thanks, K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Ditto! I'd really like to know the answers to those questions too!! Thanks, Carol aka dizz How much does it cost to go through your treatment plan? What are your stats on success? How long is the treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Libby, I had the same thing. I was just told to back off the abx for a couple of days and retest. Did that, retested and it was fine. I don't know what would have happened if it came back a second time though. Deb is in my prayers. Keep us posted. Carol aka dizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I was just reading the new Wise Traditions news letter, and there is an article on liver by Lynn Razaitis. The part of the article that I would like to get feedback on is the mention that, " . . . the liver does not store toxins. " This is something I have been wondering about--if in fact the liver stores toxins and, if so, what kinds of toxins. She wrote that toxins are more likely to store in fatty tissues and the nervous system. A couple things came to mind. 1). There is such a condition called Fatty liver wherein the liver develops a lot of excess fat. Could toxins be stored in this liver fat? 2). People who have done liver flushes claim that they are eliminating liver/gall stones. This seems to indicate that the liver does store stones which possibly are comprised of various things along with toxins. ??? Any comments? Thanks, Marla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 P.S. My inquiry about the liver in my previous post has to do with my concern of improving my liver health and detoxifying it, if need be. I have no problems with eating liver and have no dispute with the nutritional value of eating liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Hi Marla, Check out sensiblehealth.com on liver health. Re: [ ] Fw: Liver question P.S. My inquiry about the liver in my previous post has to do with my concern of improving my liver health and detoxifying it, if need be. I have no problems with eating liver and have no dispute with the nutritional value of eating liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Thanks for the link, Joe. Very interesting with lots of info. Still doesn t address whether the liver actually " stores " toxins. Says the liver cleans the blood. . . then on the other hand the article talks about " cleaning " the liver. That would suggest that it gets clogged up with dirt or toxins, but just doesn't really explain what it is we're cleaning off. Hmm. But if it works, that's what counts! Question--do you suggest using all that apple juice for people with candida? I haven't had any fruit for 2 1/2 months now and am a bit hesitant to (although I would love to have some!) I like the idea of replacing grapefruit for the lemon because I tend to get hives with lots of lemon juice. But then grapefruit has lots of sugar like the apples, no? Did you do the liver flush without the recommended month of herbs and did it work for you? Or do you have to take the month of herbs? I've been on an herbal liver tonic for about 3 weeks now. Not sure if it would be equivalent? Thanks, Marla -------Original Message------- Hi Marla, Check out sensiblehealth.com on liver health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hi Marla, I find the information very interesting myself. She recommends for people with candida not do the apple juice, but you can do it with malic acid, the ingredient in apple juice that softens the stones or stored fat. I haven't done it yet myself, but am planning to, Only after I have followed Bee's diet for what I feel is right for me.before I begin. Yes, I am planning on doing the herbs, which I already have. I am planning to use the grapefruit juice. Also I will plan on doing broths the following day as she suggests. Fat does store toxins, and if " liver fat " has stored toxins, I would think yes, but at the least it would have to hamper the liver from processing is my take on it. Would also like to hear from anybody else who has embarked on liver cleansings/flushes, whether it be success or failure. Currently I am also having some tests done, elisa/act, ASI (adrenal saliva), stool diagnosis. So I didn't want to start anything yet (besides the diet, to throw off the tests). But this weekend these tests will be complete. I hope to have a better idea of anything besides candida that I am dealing with. Let me know what you learn as well. Kind Regards, Joe Re: [ ] Fw: Liver question Thanks for the link, Joe. Very interesting with lots of info. Still doesn t address whether the liver actually " stores " toxins. Says the liver cleans the blood. . . then on the other hand the article talks about " cleaning " the liver. That would suggest that it gets clogged up with dirt or toxins, but just doesn't really explain what it is we're cleaning off. Hmm. But if it works, that's what counts! Question--do you suggest using all that apple juice for people with candida? I haven't had any fruit for 2 1/2 months now and am a bit hesitant to (although I would love to have some!) I like the idea of replacing grapefruit for the lemon because I tend to get hives with lots of lemon juice. But then grapefruit has lots of sugar like the apples, no? Did you do the liver flush without the recommended month of herbs and did it work for you? Or do you have to take the month of herbs? I've been on an herbal liver tonic for about 3 weeks now. Not sure if it would be equivalent? Thanks, Marla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Marla, I buy " certified organic " liver at my health store, which is perfectly safe. I don't know about the fatty liver idea. I've never seen liver at the store which contains fatty materials. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Marla, I do not suggest you try liver flushes. Coffee enemas detoxify the liver, as well as the diet, lemon juice and sea salt drinks, etc. Do you have liver problems or pains making you think you need something more? Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Foie gras? :-) Zack On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Bee Wilder wrote: > Dear Marla, > I buy " certified organic " liver at my health store, which is perfectly > safe. I don't know about the fatty liver idea. I've never seen liver > at the store which contains fatty materials. > > Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Dear Zack, what is Foie gras?? Bee > Foie gras? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Heehee - specially fattened liver of goose - it is a delicacy. Here's some info: " Although the literal translation from French is " fat liver, " foie gras is the term generally used for goose liver. This specialty of Alsace and Perigord is, in fact, the enlarged liver from a goose or duck that has been force-fed and fattened over a period of four to five months. These specially bred fowl are not permitted to exercise, which, combined with the overeating, creates a huge (up to 3 pounds), fatty liver. After the bird is killed, the liver is soaked overnight in milk, water or port. It's drained, then marinated in a mixture usually consisting of Armagnac, Port, or Madeira and various seasonings. The livers are then cooked, usually by baking. " Zack On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Bee Wilder wrote: > Dear Zack, what is Foie gras?? > > Bee > > > Foie gras? :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Wow! I had no idea that was what " foie gras " was. Sounds delicious. That has a been a misunderstood term for me for ages. Thanks a bunch Zack! Bee > Heehee - specially fattened liver of goose - it is a delicacy. > Here's some info:> " Although the literal translation from French is " fat liver, " foie gras is the term generally used for goose liver. This specialty of Alsace and Perigord is, in fact, the enlarged liver from a goose or duck that has been force-fed and fattened over a period of four to five months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Marla wrote: > When I started going to my colon therapist, she commented that I seem to> have a congested liver by the color of my bile--very concentrated. . . Then on second thought, I've been eating lots of fats including eggs which supposedly encourage bile production, so I'm at a toss up there. No pains or swellings that I can detect, but my skin problems persist, and many> things I read regarding skin health seem to go back to liver health. ==>Skin health is related to candida, and liver problems are related to candida. The body externalizes healing to the skin in order to protect vital inner organs. Also your body heals from the inside out, so the skin will be the last thing to trully heal. Also, it depends upon how long you've had skin problems because it takes one month of natural healing for every year you've had a particular symptom. >>And lots of the things I read about the liver state that you don't really get many symptoms that there are problems with your liver until you're probably already having serious liver problems. Don't want to wait that long. ==>I think you will get liver symptoms long before it develops into a serious disease, like my friend's son, and like me. However, it would be good for you to check it out by getting medical tests, just to be sure. >I> assume that my skin has already been telling me that my liver needs help? I'm guessing that the length of time I've been having skin problems is likely indicative that it's caused by something other than detox. ==>The length of time you've had skin problems is more indicative of how long you've had candida than whether your liver is dysfunctioning. But again, maybe have your skin problems checked out too, so you are sure what you are dealing with. >>Maybe. I'm also gonna start exploring the possibility of adrenal issues. My thyroid tested> out normal, but then they say those tests aren't that accurate. Ha! ==>The thyroid tests are not accurate for predicting thyroid problems because they do not test the functioning of thyroid hormones within the cells; they only test the pituitary TSH levels. When you have candida your adrenals will also be dysfunctioning. But tests would prove or disprove that as well. Doing dry sking brushing, coffee enemas, rebounding exercises on the trampoline, etc., and well as the diet, all help the liver and the adrenals. > Something has to be out of whack for my skin to have so much trouble! ==>Yes, it is out of whack when you have candida. ==>You can have 1/4 tsp. of sea salt in water at least 6 times a day, 3 of them with meals to aid digestion, even if you cannot have lemons. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Bee, I didn't take note of recommending sea salt drinks. Is recipe in Files? Do you add other ingredients such as potassium, so it is like an 'electolyte' replacement beverage? Thanks > Dear Marla, > I do not suggest you try liver flushes. Coffee enemas detoxify the > liver, as well as the diet, lemon juice and sea salt drinks, etc. Do > you have liver problems or pains making you think you need something > more? > > Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 My moms liver is very bad off. She has diabetes and over weight (not horribly but enough to keep her off the liver transplant list) I worked some milk thistle for her this morning but then thought, is it safe for a very bad off liver? Shes about 160lbs what dosage do u recommend. Of course her doctors say blah to milk thistle *~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lena *~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Lena, From what I've read, both milk thistle and phosphatidylcholine are very helpful for all livers. I would maybe try using both, as it is likely that they work by different mechanisms. I wouldn't go above the recommended daily dosage for either, at least for the first while. Like with our kids, start slowly and work up. Anita > > My moms liver is very bad off. She has diabetes and over weight (not > horribly but enough to keep her off the liver transplant list) I worked some > milk thistle for her this morning but then thought, is it safe for a very bad > off liver? Shes about 160lbs what dosage do u recommend. Of course her > doctors say blah to milk thistle > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Lena > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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