Re: OT: Catholic church and immunizations wavier?

[Guest guest]

I haven't heard about any changes coming from the Pope (wasn't looking

for this information, though). However, our Catholic school requires

immunization for everyone. No exemptions for anyone. Perhaps if you

had an allergic reaction or something they might exempt you, but not

for religious or philosophical reasons. One family pulled six kids

out of the school because they didn't want the chicken pox vaccine

given to their children. (The mom said it was cultured in aborted

fetal tissue, but I have no information on the veracity of this. Like

I said, not my issue these days...)

As you know, the Church isn't into flexibility. It probably would

have to come down from the Pope.

in NJ

>

> Does anyone know of the source or actually has it? From what I was

told today, the Pope ( I am sorry, we are catholic) has now ok'd ,so

to speak.., the right of not immunizing, hence it being contained in

the religious belief category. I do not want my 5 yr old getting the

last round of shots the school wants and for once I was told the Pope

may be on the bandwagon because it limits fertility. Anybody hear of

such ???? I just want some back up ammo:)

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good Morning and Thank You ,

Just about 2 mins ago I found a scripture in the bible that states something

along the line of give nothing to my child that may cause them harm. Good enough

for me. Of course, I am Irish catholic and from NJ actually but just moved to DE

this past year. My 4 yr old just had a very intense panel done and it was

confirmed that she has off the charts mercury poisoning. My 5 yr old who has no

symptoms as her sister, is also due soon on a few other boosters and after

yesterday...I am flat out ready for fight not letting her receive said shots.

Since I am new to this loop, I was kind of like a " deer-in-the-headlights " but I

read try to follow everyone's replies.

Thank You so much

Re: OT: Catholic church and immunizations wavier?

I haven't heard about any changes coming from the Pope (wasn't looking

for this information, though). However, our Catholic school requires

immunization for everyone. No exemptions for anyone. Perhaps if you

had an allergic reaction or something they might exempt you, but not

for religious or philosophical reasons. One family pulled six kids

out of the school because they didn't want the chicken pox vaccine

given to their children. (The mom said it was cultured in aborted

fetal tissue, but I have no information on the veracity of this. Like

I said, not my issue these days...)

As you know, the Church isn't into flexibility. It probably would

have to come down from the Pope.

in NJ

>

> Does anyone know of the source or actually has it? From what I was

told today, the Pope ( I am sorry, we are catholic) has now ok'd ,so

to speak.., the right of not immunizing, hence it being contained in

the religious belief category. I do not want my 5 yr old getting the

last round of shots the school wants and for once I was told the Pope

may be on the bandwagon because it limits fertility. Anybody hear of

such ???? I just want some back up ammo:)

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

.. (The mom said it was cultured in aborted

fetal tissue, but I have no information on the veracity of this. Like

I said, not my issue these days...)

-----It is indeed - as are several others. Check out Cave's book

for one of many sources. I don't know about any policy changes in church

but I do know many feel there is a hypocricy in their vaccine stance given

how strongly they feel about abortion issues.

[Guest guest]

,

I found this recently while doing research for myself. Go to this website

and click on the link at the left which says " Filing a Catholic Religious

Exemption. " That page is chock full of references to Catholic documents as

to why you can abstain from vaccines, discussion of the sanctity of life,

abortion etc - issues that surround your decision to not vaccinate.

http://www.cogforlife.org/

A sample exemption letter can be found here:

http://www.cogforlife.org/sampleletter.htm

I hope this helps you.

[Guest guest]

I am assuming you would have to be catholic???

Saffle <bananamom@...> wrote: ,

I found this recently while doing research for myself. Go to this website

and click on the link at the left which says " Filing a Catholic Religious

Exemption. " That page is chock full of references to Catholic documents as

to why you can abstain from vaccines, discussion of the sanctity of life,

abortion etc - issues that surround your decision to not vaccinate.

http://www.cogforlife.org/

A sample exemption letter can be found here:

http://www.cogforlife.org/sampleletter.htm

I hope this helps you.

[Guest guest]

Can you please email me and let me know where in the Bible you saw this

scripture? I am a Christian and plan to not immunize any further (my 4 year old

AS son as well as his 12 mo. old sister)

Also, can you tell me how you were able to test your son's mercury level? My

ped has ordered a full workup and he mentioned testing for lead, but can he test

for mercury as easily???

Please email me!

annjeelynn@...

; )angie

P2s <theheavenlyprincess@...> wrote:

Good Morning and Thank You ,

Just about 2 mins ago I found a scripture in the bible that states something

along the line of give nothing to my child that may cause them harm. Good enough

for me. Of course, I am Irish catholic and from NJ actually but just moved to DE

this past year. My 4 yr old just had a very intense panel done and it was

confirmed that she has off the charts mercury poisoning. My 5 yr old who has no

symptoms as her sister, is also due soon on a few other boosters and after

yesterday...I am flat out ready for fight not letting her receive said shots.

Since I am new to this loop, I was kind of like a " deer-in-the-headlights " but I

read try to follow everyone's replies.

Thank You so much

Re: OT: Catholic church and immunizations wavier?

I haven't heard about any changes coming from the Pope (wasn't looking

for this information, though). However, our Catholic school requires

immunization for everyone. No exemptions for anyone. Perhaps if you

had an allergic reaction or something they might exempt you, but not

for religious or philosophical reasons. One family pulled six kids

out of the school because they didn't want the chicken pox vaccine

given to their children. (The mom said it was cultured in aborted

fetal tissue, but I have no information on the veracity of this. Like

I said, not my issue these days...)

As you know, the Church isn't into flexibility. It probably would

have to come down from the Pope.

in NJ

>

> Does anyone know of the source or actually has it? From what I was

told today, the Pope ( I am sorry, we are catholic) has now ok'd ,so

to speak.., the right of not immunizing, hence it being contained in

the religious belief category. I do not want my 5 yr old getting the

last round of shots the school wants and for once I was told the Pope

may be on the bandwagon because it limits fertility. Anybody hear of

such ???? I just want some back up ammo:)

>

> TIA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question...but if you're Catholic, you'd have Catholic law to back you

up. If you're of another faith, you can still write a religious exemption.

This link has an excerpt from a vaccine exemption letter with Bible

references.

http://www.geocities.com/titus2birthing/VacExempt.html

You do not have to be of a particular faith in order to submit a religious

exemption. The above link also states the following with regard to court

cases:

" Our legal rights are guaranteed by the free exercise clause of the First

Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. States can only go against this if they

can prove a compelling state interest is at stake. But recent court

decisions have upheld the rights of individuals seeking exemptions from

immunizations based upon " personal " religious beliefs. [sherr and Levy vs.

Northport East-Northport Union Free School District, 672 F. Supp. 81,

(E.D.N.Y., 1987); Allanson vs. Clinton Central School District, U.S..

District Court, Northern District Court, Northern District of New York (84

CV 174), 1984; Campain vs. Marlboro Central School District, Supreme Court

Ulster County Special Term, November 15, 1985; Brown vs. City School

District, 429 NYS2d 355; Maier vs. Besser, 73 Misc.2d 241].

On the U.S. Supreme Court level in Frazee v. Illinois Dept. of Security, 489

U.S. 829, 1989, it was found that a state may not deny an exemption simply

because a person is not a member of a formal religious organization. In

addition, the Supreme Court has noted that nontraditional beliefs, including

secular humanism, atheism, and nontheistic faiths, are all " religion " for

the purpose of free exercise analysis. The Supreme Court in Fowler v. Rhode

Island, 345 U.S. 67 (1953) held that it was " no business of the courts to

say what is a religious practice or activity for one group is not religion

under the protection of the First Amendment. "

I have other information about particular court cases but I have too many

links bookmarked can can't find them right now. I hope this helps someone.

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Posted by: " Randle " annjeelynn@... annjeelynn

Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:10 am (PST)

I am assuming you would have to be catholic???

[Guest guest]

>

> Can you please email me and let me know where in the Bible you saw

this scripture? I am a Christian and plan to not immunize any further

(my 4 year old AS son as well as his 12 mo. old sister)

I live in CA which allows the philosophical waiver, but if I had to

use a religious waiver, I would probably cite this scripture, to not

inject toxins into my child's body.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (New King Version)

19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit

who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20

For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a]

and in your spirit, which are God's.

> Also, can you tell me how you were able to test your son's mercury

level? My ped has ordered a full workup and he mentioned testing for

lead, but can he test for mercury as easily???

This page gives info on a hair test

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Dana