Re: Diet before enzimes - What do you think?

[Guest guest]

> My experience with my son, who was full of candida and some

> bacteria, was that GFCFSF, which we did for 18 mos., made his

yeast

> problems exponential, and didn't address bacteria.

Can you explain the above? I ask because we have been gFCF for 18mo

as well- just started enzymes...(also been swimming in cholrine all

week) and there have been some cool things happening. (will

chronicle them after a week or so for ya'll.)

He is better on

> enzymes and off sugar/simple starches/yeast. We use specific

yeast

> and bacteria treatments as well.

can you elaborate- which ones? we have done the Kirmman probiogold

but I didn't do an anti-fungal at the same time and we never got

things figured out. i was going to try that again and add gse or

perhpas the primal defense in place of the probiogold...and talk to

dr about nystatin.

>

Amy in mich

[Guest guest]

My son made intitial progress off gluten/dairy; however eating rice,

potatoes and the other substitutes for gluten caused massive yeast

overgrowth. He has very severe yeast problems though. Not everyone

does. Also, the gfcf foods he ate tended to be starchy, or contain

sugar. He is now intolerant of rice and potatoes, and he couldn't

tolerate many of the alternative grains/flours at all.

For yeast he took GSE, which seemed to help in some ways but since

he has a hard time tolerating both phenols and anything citrus, it

caused problems with hyperactivity, sleeplessness and a rash. He

now takes Nystatin and Houston chewable probiotics with no bad

effects. I am thinking of starting Three Lac, which I have very

mixed feelings about.

After my son was GFCF for about a year he started enzymes, and I

couldn't believe the difference in him. After about 6 mos. I took

him off the GFCF diet and stayed with enzymes and he has gone from

low to high functioning in that time (he has now been on enzymes for

almost 4 years)- eg he began speaking, taught himself to read, write

and type, and is in a much higher functioning classroom now.

Although he still has to avoid casein, yeast, fruit, sugar and

chemicals, the combination of gluten + enzymes seems actually better

for him than GFCF. Everyone is different though, this is just his

own personal physiology.

Amy

> > My experience with my son, who was full of candida and some

> > bacteria, was that GFCFSF, which we did for 18 mos., made his

> yeast

> > problems exponential, and didn't address bacteria.

>

> Can you explain the above? I ask because we have been gFCF for

18mo

> as well- just started enzymes...(also been swimming in cholrine

all

> week) and there have been some cool things happening. (will

> chronicle them after a week or so for ya'll.)

>

> He is better on

> > enzymes and off sugar/simple starches/yeast. We use specific

> yeast

> > and bacteria treatments as well.

>

> can you elaborate- which ones? we have done the Kirmman

probiogold

> but I didn't do an anti-fungal at the same time and we never got

> things figured out. i was going to try that again and add gse or

> perhpas the primal defense in place of the probiogold...and talk

to

> dr about nystatin.

> >

>

> Amy in mich

[Guest guest]

Thanks Amy

I have felt like we may have introduced the same problem w/

since potatoes and rice are his primary grains and it is funny when

he has had planned and unplanned infractions he has gotten better

language wise....so I am trying the enzymes right now and going to

try a gluten infraction before too long. I do think has

casein issues (and other milk products) that are more broad

reaching. Then going to have another go at the yeast via probiotics

and antifungals before we try the nystatin...trying to get this all

done before we go back to dr in a few months.

amy

> > > My experience with my son, who was full of candida and some

> > > bacteria, was that GFCFSF, which we did for 18 mos., made his

> > yeast

> > > problems exponential, and didn't address bacteria.

> >

> > Can you explain the above? I ask because we have been gFCF for

> 18mo

> > as well- just started enzymes...(also been swimming in cholrine

> all

> > week) and there have been some cool things happening. (will

> > chronicle them after a week or so for ya'll.)

> >

> > He is better on

> > > enzymes and off sugar/simple starches/yeast. We use specific

> > yeast

> > > and bacteria treatments as well.

> >

> > can you elaborate- which ones? we have done the Kirmman

> probiogold

> > but I didn't do an anti-fungal at the same time and we never got

> > things figured out. i was going to try that again and add gse or

> > perhpas the primal defense in place of the probiogold...and talk

> to

> > dr about nystatin.

> > >

> >

> > Amy in mich

[Guest guest]

> Well, I have bad news. My Dan doctor has just recommended GFCF or

SCD diet for my son.

Most DANs will recommend those diets, even if the child can do enzymes

without diet. So if your child is doing just fine with enzymes, you

can consider NOT doing those diets.

However, some kids do best with enzymes PLUS a diet. The diet my son

needed was not gfcf or scd, but your child might do well with one of

those diets plus enzymes.

> The little I could understand looking at the CDSA analysis (the

meeting with my doctor to disccuss it will be in two weeks) is that my

son has the following bacteria: bifidobacterian, proteus mirabilis,

all kind of candida and little yeast.

> The diet will eliminate the bacteria and restore the good health of

my boy.

Depends on which diet you use, and the reason why your child has those

issues.

>>I'm seriously thinking to give it a shot, so here is my question:

how long would be considered reasonable on just the diet, before

reinserting the enzimes with planned infractions?

I would keep the enzymes, then implement whichever diet you choose.

> If I start him on the diet, how long I need to wait to see some changes?

If he needs the specific diet you choose, you *should* see results

within about 3 weeks.

Dana