Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I don't have an answer to this question, but one of my own concerning virastop. I have been lurking for a bit and have not posted, but before I joined this group I tried virastop I took 1/8th of a capsule and became violent ill for about 5 days, why would I have this extreme reaction where as your daughter is not sick with 15 a day. 15 would probably of killed me. I am super sensitive to all enzymes, but this one killed me >From: " sbarron6fun " <rsbarron@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Anti-viral questions >Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:10:35 -0000 > >Hello all >We are 2 1/2 weeks into Virastop. We started very slowly since she >had not previously tolerated it well. In the past few days I have >started increasing faster because I am not seeing much of anything >yet. Yesterday we took 12 capsules and today I will give 15 >capsules. (I am doing 3 times daily in between meals and also >giving 500mg OLE with each of the 2 daytime doses) We have had the >OLE going for about 3 months now, but am not able to give it at >night. > >I have seen increased yeast which we are continuing to treat, but I >haven't seen any illness, rashes, or anything else that looks like >viral die-off to me. She has also had some unexplained >crying/weepiness. Is it possible that yeast is being created >without viral die-off? Or is it possible that maybe I just would >not see any clear signs of viral die-off? Today she has a brand >new behavior of sticking her tongue out and sometimes rubbing the tip >of it with her finger. She even speaks with her tongue out, but >she'll put it back in if I tell her to. Her tongue doesn't look >cloudy or anything, but maybe a little raw on the tip. What does >this mean?? > >Also, we skipped chelation this weekend so I could see what she was >going to do with these larger increases. So should I keep it at 15 >caps for a few days or keep increasing each day until I see an >illness? Thanks in advance for your comments. > >Sheresa > > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 >>Yesterday we took 12 capsules and today I will give 15 > capsules. (I am doing 3 times daily in between meals and also > giving 500mg OLE with each of the 2 daytime doses) This sounds good. > I have seen increased yeast which we are continuing to treat, but I > haven't seen any illness, rashes, or anything else that looks like > viral die-off to me. It took several months for my #2 to show any " die off " symptoms. >>She has also had some unexplained > crying/weepiness. Is it possible that yeast is being created > without viral die-off? She might have yeast overgrowth and viral " die off " , but you just don't notice any observable physical symptoms yet. > Also, we skipped chelation this weekend so I could see what she was > going to do with these larger increases. So should I keep it at 15 > caps for a few days or keep increasing each day until I see an > illness? Thanks in advance for your comments. I would keep it at 12 capsules for at least two weeks. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > It took several months for my #2 to show any " die off " symptoms. > > During this time where you continuing to increase the dose or keeping it steady? > > She might have yeast overgrowth and viral " die off " , but you just > don't notice any observable physical symptoms yet. > The only possible " die-off " symptom I am seeing is very loose stools that look like they have black pepper in them. I thought that maybe this was yeast die off, perhaps it could be viral?? Actually her stools haven't looked very good at all ever since we started chelating, but I had never noticed the little black specks before. > > > I would keep it at 12 capsules for at least two weeks. That sounds like a good plan. As always, thanks for your help Dana. Sheresa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Hi - that is a very good question and one that none of us really knows the answer to. The first time we tried Virastop a few months back, my daughter did not tolerate it AT ALL. She didn't really get very sick, but she just didn't tolerate it behavioral wise. I put her on OLE for several months and then tried it again and it was much better tolerated this time. She did get one major illness on the 4th day of OLE. Also, we had been on proteases for a longer time this go around so perhaps that allowed her gut to tolerate the Virastop a little better. gave me the idea of starting back up with just sprinkles and that is what I did this time. I would use sprinkles and make a capsule last 2-3 days. Then once I saw that she was tolerating it better I started increasing the dose faster. Hope this helps. Sheresa > > I don't have an answer to this question, but one of my own concerning > virastop. I have been lurking for a bit and have not posted, but before I > joined this group I tried virastop I took 1/8th of a capsule and became > violent ill for about 5 days, why would I have this extreme reaction where > as your daughter is not sick with 15 a day. 15 would probably of killed me. > > I am super sensitive to all enzymes, but this one killed me > > > >From: " sbarron6fun " <rsbarron@...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Anti-viral questions > >Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:10:35 -0000 > > > >Hello all > >We are 2 1/2 weeks into Virastop. We started very slowly since she > >had not previously tolerated it well. In the past few days I have > >started increasing faster because I am not seeing much of anything > >yet. Yesterday we took 12 capsules and today I will give 15 > >capsules. (I am doing 3 times daily in between meals and also > >giving 500mg OLE with each of the 2 daytime doses) We have had the > >OLE going for about 3 months now, but am not able to give it at > >night. > > > >I have seen increased yeast which we are continuing to treat, but I > >haven't seen any illness, rashes, or anything else that looks like > >viral die-off to me. She has also had some unexplained > >crying/weepiness. Is it possible that yeast is being created > >without viral die-off? Or is it possible that maybe I just would > >not see any clear signs of viral die-off? Today she has a brand > >new behavior of sticking her tongue out and sometimes rubbing the tip > >of it with her finger. She even speaks with her tongue out, but > >she'll put it back in if I tell her to. Her tongue doesn't look > >cloudy or anything, but maybe a little raw on the tip. What does > >this mean?? > > > >Also, we skipped chelation this weekend so I could see what she was > >going to do with these larger increases. So should I keep it at 15 > >caps for a few days or keep increasing each day until I see an > >illness? Thanks in advance for your comments. > > > >Sheresa > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 > > It took several months for my #2 to show any " die off " symptoms. > > > During this time where you continuing to increase the dose or keeping > it steady? During this time, I increased the dose for maybe the first 2-3 months, then kept it steady. I saw symptoms when I tried to remove it, so I kept it steady for about a year. Then I saw symptoms at about the 10th month. > The only possible " die-off " symptom I am seeing is very loose > stools that look like they have black pepper in them. I thought > that maybe this was yeast die off, perhaps it could be viral?? Can be either of those. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 > Hi - that is a very good question and one that none of us really > knows the answer to. The first time we tried Virastop a few months > back, my daughter did not tolerate it AT ALL. She didn't really get > very sick, but she just didn't tolerate it behavioral wise. I put > her on OLE for several months and then tried it again and it was much > better tolerated this time. I did OLE with my son for a year before I started the Virastop. Yes, this worked very well. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 What is OLE >From: " danasview " <danasview@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Anti-viral questions >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:16:32 -0000 > > > > Hi - that is a very good question and one that none of us really > > knows the answer to. The first time we tried Virastop a few months > > back, my daughter did not tolerate it AT ALL. She didn't really get > > very sick, but she just didn't tolerate it behavioral wise. I put > > her on OLE for several months and then tried it again and it was much > > better tolerated this time. > > >I did OLE with my son for a year before I started the Virastop. Yes, >this worked very well. > >Dana > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Thank you Dana - Her yeast is getting really bad at this dose of 15 VS caps so I guess that is a good sign that *something* is happening. I have a very giggly girl on my hands!! I'm already doing No-Fenol, Candidase 2 caps X 3 daily as well as 5 drops GSE with each dose. I am going to try upping the GSE to 8 drops each time and see if that will get it back under control. I'm determined to see it through this time, but all this yeast is making me very uneasy. Sheresa > > > It took several months for my #2 to show any " die off " symptoms. > > > > > During this time where you continuing to increase the dose or keeping > > it steady? > > > During this time, I increased the dose for maybe the first 2-3 months, > then kept it steady. I saw symptoms when I tried to remove it, so I > kept it steady for about a year. Then I saw symptoms at about the > 10th month. > > > > The only possible " die-off " symptom I am seeing is very loose > > stools that look like they have black pepper in them. I thought > > that maybe this was yeast die off, perhaps it could be viral?? > > > Can be either of those. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Olive Leaf Extract > > > Hi - that is a very good question and one that none of us really > > > knows the answer to. The first time we tried Virastop a few months > > > back, my daughter did not tolerate it AT ALL. She didn't really get > > > very sick, but she just didn't tolerate it behavioral wise. I put > > > her on OLE for several months and then tried it again and it was much > > > better tolerated this time. > > > > > >I did OLE with my son for a year before I started the Virastop. Yes, > >this worked very well. > > > >Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Sheresa, Have you thought of maybe adding Candidase or Candex instead of more GSE? We found that the Candex and Candidase really helped alot....we still kept the no-fenol and the GSE, but didn't increase it....I am always thinking to err to the side of caution, esp with those things that can damage the liver....esp since my one son had liver damage from drugs he had to take earlier... hth Ronni > > > > It took several months for my #2 to show any " die off " symptoms. > > > > > > > During this time where you continuing to increase the dose or > keeping > > > it steady? > > > > > > During this time, I increased the dose for maybe the first 2-3 > months, > > then kept it steady. I saw symptoms when I tried to remove it, so I > > kept it steady for about a year. Then I saw symptoms at about the > > 10th month. > > > > > > > The only possible " die-off " symptom I am seeing is very loose > > > stools that look like they have black pepper in them. I thought > > > that maybe this was yeast die off, perhaps it could be viral?? > > > > > > Can be either of those. > > > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Hi Ronni Thanks for your reply and I agree that using too much GSE does make me very nervous! Plus, more than 4-5 drops doesn't agree with her very well. I am already using 6 caps of Candidase per day - 2 with each dose of VS. Are others using more than that dose with good results? I agree that Candidase helps her TREMENDOUSLY - along with the NF/GSE combination, but I wasn't sure if it was okay to use more than the suggested dose on the bottle. Thanks so much for your input. Sheresa > > > > > It took several months for my #2 to show any " die off " > symptoms. > > > > > > > > > During this time where you continuing to increase the dose or > > keeping > > > > it steady? > > > > > > > > > During this time, I increased the dose for maybe the first 2-3 > > months, > > > then kept it steady. I saw symptoms when I tried to remove it, > so I > > > kept it steady for about a year. Then I saw symptoms at about the > > > 10th month. > > > > > > > > > > The only possible " die-off " symptom I am seeing is very > loose > > > > stools that look like they have black pepper in them. I > thought > > > > that maybe this was yeast die off, perhaps it could be viral?? > > > > > > > > > Can be either of those. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 > Thank you Dana - Her yeast is getting really bad at this dose of 15 > VS caps so I guess that is a good sign that *something* is > happening. I have a very giggly girl on my hands!! I'm already > doing No-Fenol, Candidase 2 caps X 3 daily as well as 5 drops GSE > with each dose. I am going to try upping the GSE to 8 drops each > time and see if that will get it back under control. I'm determined > to see it through this time, but all this yeast is making me very > uneasy. At one point I was giving much more than 8 drops of GSE with every dose of anti-virals. Yes, it can cause some really nasty yeast overgrowth! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 > >> > > At one point I was giving much more than 8 drops of GSE with every > dose of anti-virals. Yes, it can cause some really nasty yeast > overgrowth! > I just don't think she tolerates that much. She is only on round 15 of chelation and even though she is able to tolerate most fruits now, that GSE is pretty potent. I tried giving the 8 drops for one day X 3 and she woke up in the middle of the night and cried unconsolably for almost an hour. The next day I dropped it back to 5 and tried giving more Candidase which seemed to work a little better, but I'm a little unsure of how much *extra Candidase is okay to give. Right now I'm at 3 caps for each anti-viral dose and am also giving extra probiotics throughout the day and at night. I'm just sort of winging it day by day I guess!! And she is still having these crying episodes that I can't determine if they are from yeast, too much GSE, or viruses. They began when we started ramping up the Virastop. Sheresa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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