Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Lena I would strongly urge you to NOT allow any more vaccinations. In my opinion, any child with any type of neurological issue is only going to be further harmed by the toxins, metals, and other " junk " in the shots. Especially since your child has already tested high in aluminum which is still a component of most vaccines. The docs and schools like to have us believe that we don't have a choice in the matter, but we do. Most, if not all states allow some sort of immunization exemption such as religious or " reasons of conscious " (sp??). Find out what the requirement is in your state. Sheresa > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not autistic, but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of speech, attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I like to go into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont have to argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS PLEASE. I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that she needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u crash, u might never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u dont wanna miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the age of 9 months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there after, I am unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can find in the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have feeding tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to normal which tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which they said normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her urine test showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... Although they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding deodrant and eating it. > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > Thanks so much! > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > Lena > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 http://www.909shot.com/ www.generationrescue.org <http://www.generationrescue.org/> http://www.safeminds.org/ You can also read and copy relevant parts of Dr. Cave’s book “What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Chidlren’s Vaccinations” You can also have her titers checked. She may already carry immunity to the things they want to give her (which are primarily boosters) FWIW your Doctor’s seatbelt analogy stinks!! If it were me I would think very seriously about vaccinating an already immune compromised person. I don’t know where you live but in many states you can get religious or philosophical exemptions; and every state provides for medical exemption (though they are very hard to get). J 5 year shots Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not autistic, but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of speech, attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I like to go into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont have to argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS PLEASE. I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that she needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u crash, u might never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u dont wanna miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the age of 9 months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there after, I am unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can find in the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have feeding tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to normal which tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which they said normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her urine test showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... Although they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding deodrant and eating it. Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? Thanks so much! ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ Lena ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need knowledge on them. My site section http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#vaccines Go here to learn how to waive them in your state http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm In Florida, it says: " The parent or guardian of the child objects in writing that the administration of immunizing agents conflicts with his religious tenets or practices. " So all you write is exactly that, that the administration of immunizing agents conflicts with your religious tenets and practices. The state is not allowed to require anything other than this. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Incidentally, it is better when you go to the Health Department to get the exemption, not to mention anything about informed medical opinion. They may tell you you need a doctor for a medical exemption. Just tell them it is opposed to your religious beliefs to inject poisons into your child, or live viruses! That--they cannot argue with. Peace, Kathy E. On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Josie Lecraw wrote: > http://www.909shot.com/ > > www.generationrescue.org <http://www.generationrescue.org/> > > http://www.safeminds.org/ > > > > You can also read and copy relevant parts of Dr. Cave’s > book “What > Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Chidlren’s Vaccinations” > > > > You can also have her titers checked. She may already carry > immunity to the > things they want to give her (which are primarily boosters) > > > > FWIW your Doctor’s seatbelt analogy stinks!! If it were me I would > think > very seriously about vaccinating an already immune compromised > person. I > don’t know where you live but in many states you can get religious or > philosophical exemptions; and every state provides for medical > exemption > (though they are very hard to get). > > > > J > > 5 year shots > > > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need > knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not > autistic, > but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of > speech, > attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I > like to go > into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont > have to > argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS > PLEASE. > I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that > she > needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u > crash, u might > never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u > dont wanna > miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the > age of 9 > months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there > after, I am > unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can > find in > the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have > feeding > tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to > normal which > tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which > they said > normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her > urine test > showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... > Although > they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding > deodrant and eating it. > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > Thanks so much! > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > Lena > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I missed some of this series, but we live in CA and I just filled out a form with the school and checked of philosophical beliefs. I didn't even have to write down what the belief was. All the letters that came to us prior to the fall stated he couldn't go unless his immunizations were complete. I expected to have hard time. The district office didn't bat an eye and the school never said anything and have his file flagged as not having MMR or Chicken Pox. It was really easy. Our Pediatrician thinks it was wise for us to skip boosters for both boys since they have developmental issues, so I have her support too. 5 year shots > > > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need > knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not > autistic, > but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of > speech, > attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I > like to go > into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont > have to > argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS > PLEASE. > I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that > she > needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u > crash, u might > never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u > dont wanna > miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the > age of 9 > months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there > after, I am > unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can > find in > the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have > feeding > tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to > normal which > tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which > they said > normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her > urine test > showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... > Although > they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding > deodrant and eating it. > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > Thanks so much! > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > Lena > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Will they buy that if you had all the others? will they ask why now? What religion would that be? TIA 5 year shots > > > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need > knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not > autistic, > but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of > speech, > attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I > like to go > into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont > have to > argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS > PLEASE. > I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that > she > needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u > crash, u might > never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u > dont wanna > miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the > age of 9 > months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there > after, I am > unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can > find in > the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have > feeding > tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to > normal which > tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which > they said > normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her > urine test > showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... > Although > they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding > deodrant and eating it. > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > Thanks so much! > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > Lena > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 You are allowed to change your religious beliefs at any time. No, they will not ask why now. Tell them it says, " Do not kill, " and you now think the vaccine ingredients kill brain cells. Keep it simple. Or, even better, tell them you are trusting God to take care of your children instead of the medical profession, which at the moment you do not trust. I told them when my son and DIL had their child baptized they promised to help him grow into the full stature of Christ, which did not include injecting things they believed to be toxic. Peace, Kathy E. On Mar 22, 2006, at 8:30 PM, <mlb228@...> <mlb228@...> wrote: > Will they buy that if you had all the others? will they ask why > now? What > religion would that be? TIA > 5 year shots > > > > > > > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need > > knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not > > autistic, > > but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of > > speech, > > attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I > > like to go > > into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont > > have to > > argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS > > PLEASE. > > I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that > > she > > needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u > > crash, u might > > never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u > > dont wanna > > miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the > > age of 9 > > months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there > > after, I am > > unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can > > find in > > the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have > > feeding > > tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to > > normal which > > tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which > > they said > > normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her > > urine test > > showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... > > Although > > they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding > > deodrant and eating it. > > > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > Lena > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 In Florida they can't ask any questions because it would be against your civil rights to question your religion. You ask for a religious exemption and they have to give it to you. Some health departments may give you a hard time...to them to say you know the statute and that this can be taken care of now or later with your lawyer. If they know you mean it they can't do anything about it. The law has been challenged and upheld in court. If they give you a hard time it is in hopes of talking you out of it. They have no legal right to any information. Kathleen is right, you can change your beliefs at any time. Kathleen Eickwort <Kathleen_E@...> wrote: You are allowed to change your religious beliefs at any time. No, they will not ask why now. Tell them it says, " Do not kill, " and you now think the vaccine ingredients kill brain cells. Keep it simple. Or, even better, tell them you are trusting God to take care of your children instead of the medical profession, which at the moment you do not trust. I told them when my son and DIL had their child baptized they promised to help him grow into the full stature of Christ, which did not include injecting things they believed to be toxic. Peace, Kathy E. On Mar 22, 2006, at 8:30 PM, <mlb228@...> <mlb228@...> wrote: > Will they buy that if you had all the others? will they ask why > now? What > religion would that be? TIA > 5 year shots > > > > > > > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need > > knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not > > autistic, > > but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of > > speech, > > attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I > > like to go > > into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont > > have to > > argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS > > PLEASE. > > I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that > > she > > needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u > > crash, u might > > never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u > > dont wanna > > miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the > > age of 9 > > months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there > > after, I am > > unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can > > find in > > the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have > > feeding > > tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to > > normal which > > tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which > > they said > > normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her > > urine test > > showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... > > Although > > they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding > > deodrant and eating it. > > > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > Lena > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Thank you so much guys! I really appreciate all the help! I have been so sick thinking about this! You guys are really nice, and I have been listening( reading) every word you write and trying to learn quickly! I don't have alot to offer right now, so I haven't posted anything before now but it was really nice of you guys to answer when I come in in the middle and just blurt a question like that. I'm trying to learn quickly and have picked up alot of valuable info here. B 5 year shots > > > > > > > > Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need > > knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not > > autistic, > > but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of > > speech, > > attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I > > like to go > > into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont > > have to > > argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS > > PLEASE. > > I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that > > she > > needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u > > crash, u might > > never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u > > dont wanna > > miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the > > age of 9 > > months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there > > after, I am > > unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can > > find in > > the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have > > feeding > > tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to > > normal which > > tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which > > they said > > normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her > > urine test > > showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... > > Although > > they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding > > deodrant and eating it. > > > > Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > Lena > > ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 THANK EVERYONE for their information! I called the ped and cause we got some issues he wants to see her. So, WE WILL get the titers checked prior to shot time (then I will say, GOD SAID NO and NO MEANS NO) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lena *~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Just ask to have titers checked. This is just a blood work-up, and you can get it done each year. 5 year shots Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not autistic, but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of speech, attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I like to go into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont have to argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS PLEASE. I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that she needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u crash, u might never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u dont wanna miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the age of 9 months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there after, I am unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can find in the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have feeding tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to normal which tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which they said normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her urine test showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... Although they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding deodrant and eating it. Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots? Thanks so much! ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ Lena ¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 > > Will they buy that if you had all the others? will they ask why now? What > religion would that be? People can change their religion, or even their beliefs within their current religion, at any time. It does not matter whether you are a specific religion, or just have " religious beliefs " . What matters is that you can sign a statement, preferably honestly, that is required by your state. Find your state here http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 The State of Ohio as do some other states, allows for philosophical reasons and that is the only thing I say: " My son is not vaccinated because we have philosophical reasons not to do so. " He was vaccinated until the age of 5 yrs old and every year I send the same paper to school stating my position. We haven't had a problem. He is 14 yrs old now. Change philosophical for religious and it should be enough. In this case the least information the better. > > > > Will they buy that if you had all the others? will they ask why now? > What > > religion would that be? > > > People can change their religion, or even their beliefs within their > current religion, at any time. > > It does not matter whether you are a specific religion, or just have > " religious beliefs " . What matters is that you can sign a statement, > preferably honestly, that is required by your state. Find your state here > > http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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