Re: On January 4th My Son and I will each get our first B12 shots- Any advice?

[Guest guest]

Wanda,

Good Luck to you and your son with the shots. I hope you'll post your

thoughts and feelings about them after you get started. I have nothing

to offer really other than my dd was HORRIBLY hyper on the DMG from

Kirkman's. When we d/c'd it that really stopped almost immediately.

[Guest guest]

>

> First time we will get our B12 shots will be on Jan 4th- Any advice?

My kids needed folic acid and a yeast protocol, when they were on

mB12. So you might start by adding some folic acid now.

B12 by itself will tend to deplete other Bs, especially B2. Add a

multi-vitamin, or at least a multi-B.

> Side effects?

Hyper, which for my kids was eliminated with a lower dose of B12,

folic acid, and yeast protocol.

Depletion of other Bs.

Can cause massive headaches and/or wild hyper, so start by giving it

in the morning. I would personally start with oral first, so you can

get an indication of your possible reactions.

Dana

[Guest guest]

My son and I have been getting the shots for a couple of months now.

I noticed improvements in him after the first couple of weeks

(language articulation mostly). In about three weeks he started

getting up for the day at 4:00AM--but that only lasted for a week

(but it seemed like forever). We tried to add folinic acid but he

hardly slept at all, so we dropped it. My son is doing really well

on B12 and we see new improvements all the time.

My understanding is that it's not a B12 deficiency but rather a

methelation problem that it helped by the B12 shots. My son is

already on a yest protocol so that's ok for us. Next we'll try

DMG/TMG (not at the same time).

The shots don't hurt at all really (I give them to myself and my

son). My son is fine in a few seconds and he's only three.

> >

> > First time we will get our B12 shots will be on Jan 4th- Any

advice?

>

>

> My kids needed folic acid and a yeast protocol, when they were on

> mB12. So you might start by adding some folic acid now.

>

> B12 by itself will tend to deplete other Bs, especially B2. Add a

> multi-vitamin, or at least a multi-B.

>

>

> > Side effects?

>

>

> Hyper, which for my kids was eliminated with a lower dose of B12,

> folic acid, and yeast protocol.

>

> Depletion of other Bs.

>

> Can cause massive headaches and/or wild hyper, so start by giving

it

> in the morning. I would personally start with oral first, so you

can

> get an indication of your possible reactions.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

We take sublingual B12 also.

> > >

> > > First time we will get our B12 shots will be on Jan 4th- Any

> advice?

> >

> >

> > My kids needed folic acid and a yeast protocol, when they were on

> > mB12. So you might start by adding some folic acid now.

> >

> > B12 by itself will tend to deplete other Bs, especially B2. Add a

> > multi-vitamin, or at least a multi-B.

> >

> >

> > > Side effects?

> >

> >

> > Hyper, which for my kids was eliminated with a lower dose of B12,

> > folic acid, and yeast protocol.

> >

> > Depletion of other Bs.

> >

> > Can cause massive headaches and/or wild hyper, so start by giving

> it

> > in the morning. I would personally start with oral first, so you

> can

> > get an indication of your possible reactions.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > First time we will get our B12 shots will be on Jan 4th- Any advice?

>

>

> My kids needed folic acid and a yeast protocol, when they were on

> mB12. So you might start by adding some folic acid now.

>

> B12 by itself will tend to deplete other Bs, especially B2. Add a

> multi-vitamin, or at least a multi-B.

>

>

> > Side effects?

>

>

> Hyper, which for my kids was eliminated with a lower dose of B12,

> folic acid, and yeast protocol.

>

> Depletion of other Bs.

>

> Can cause massive headaches and/or wild hyper, so start by giving it

> in the morning. I would personally start with oral first, so you can

> get an indication of your possible reactions.

>

> Dana

>

Hi Dana,

We started the B12 shots- my son has had 2 and I have had 3. I

notice right away in myself that my ears start to get a yeasty feeling

-if you know what I mean (they kind of burn inside the canals). I

have to use GSE in my ears on the days I gave myself the shots. I

feel a difference about 2 days after a shot but then seem to feel low

again. But no real bad experience for me and I have no problem giving

them to myself. After I get my test results back from our DAN Dr. I

will know if I have a yeast problem (I suspect I do) then I can treat

that slowly while taking the B12 shots. I am hoping to relieve my

anxiety and depression. So far I have been able to stay off all meds

except for 1 tablet of lorazepam and 1 zyrtec- strange but syrtec

helps my depression better than my antidepressant (makes me suspect my

depression is caused by some type of food allergy or histimine type

allergy).

Now sorry this part is going to be longer because it is about my son-

A couple of weeks ago we eliminated rice milk altogether - and in

doing such this got rid of the last trace of gluten from the rice

dream rice milk we used and also eliminated rice milk which is high

glycemic and also acidid (I think- correct me if I am wrong). We

noticed improvement right away. More language and more interest in

toys. We also switched from grape juice to pear juice and saw less

hyperactivity (tried adding white grape juice then the next day he

wouldn't drink the pear juice and got really mad when I gave it to

him). When trying to add back raisins and white grape juice his ears

did get red. Also eliminated potato chips (which are big culprits).

He was doing awesome until he got some type of sinus infection- I

suspect caused by yeast but the pediatrician said usually bacteria

causes them so he is on amoxycillin now and nystatin (both sugar free,

dye free etc. etc.) I did not want to put him on the antibiotic and

would love to take him back off of it but my husband said we better

stick it out for the 10 days because if it is bacteria related and we

stop the antibiotic then we might end up with some resistant form of

bacteria. Unfortunately we also just started with the MB12 shots too

so it is hard to say what is causing his hyperactivity - but I am

going to guess it is yeast because he actually seems to like getting

his antibiotic a little too much. He is not having any real bowel

movement problems usually 1 or 2 a day and they are just kind of mushy

and sticky. I think they smell like yeast. He is also very happy

and hyperactive in the morning - this I think is due to the MB12 shots

because whenever he has some type of B vitamin he wakes up very alert

and wakes up earlier than usual no matter what time he goes to bed.

He had been waking up every morning at 6:15 sharp now it is about 5:45

or so. Also when his yeast is up he wakes up earlier and hyper. So

anyway at least he is not doing the night waking thing. This is what

I am doing -

In the morning with breakfast he has the houston trio- then I give him

his antibiotic at the same time as the nystatin then he eats and a 1/2

hour after he gets his antibiotic and nystatin he gets his therbiotic

complete. Then in after noon he gets 2nd dose of nystatin with

probiotic then at dinner we give him antibiotice with nystatin and

enzymes and probiotic after dinner. Does this sound like I am doing

this the right way? Can you use activated charcoal when you are

taking atibiotics? My husband says we should not use it. Should we

just continue until he is done with his antibiotic then continue on

with the nystatin and then add in the charcoal next week when he is

off the antibiotic? Fortunately whenever we get his yeast checked it

is only at 1+ . But I am so worried that it will get out of control

and the new gains we have seen from diet changes and the MB12 will be

lost again. He seems to be having the chewies again which usually

happens when he has gut bugs. I also think the antibiotic makes his

face slightly dry and blotchy. When I asked the pediatrician if he

should be treated as if he is allergic to penacillin (like I am) she

said no. But maybe he is - just not anaphalactically like myself- but

she wouldn't put him on something else. Maybe he just has a virus and

not sinus infection- that is possible too. His nose seems better but

that is usually better when he is on yeast protocol of some sort.

But, for the most part he is communicating with more words and using

PECS on his own for a lot of what he wants to play with and eat. His

drawing has improved he is doing better at school and his receptive

language is way better. Any advice on how to use the antibiotics

while doing yeast protocol would be great. Also if you have any links

about amoxycillin and what it may deplete or contribute too that would

be great. I am kind of ticked at myself for not trying just the

nystating first without the antibiotic. I am glad we are seeing our

DAN Dr. on Thursday- regular pediatricians just never get the

antibiotic, antifungal stuff. I wish I had a video camera to show his

pediatrician just how he acts after he has had antibiotic without the

nystatin- the reaction is almost immediate. The pharmacist said give

the antibiotic then wait thirty minutes then give the nystatin with

the probiotic- this did not seem to work- it seems I have to give the

nystatin at the exact time as the antibiotic. Is this usually true?

Thanks I will stop writing now- it has been a long time since I posted

and too much to say and ask. Any input is greatly appreciated. I

will do my research again on antibiotics and autism. I did call our

DAN DR. about this before using the antibiotic and he is the one who

put him on the higher dose nystatin to take with it. Well anyway

goodnight for now. Thank you again as always, Wanda

[Guest guest]

-

> In the morning with breakfast he has the houston trio- then I give

him

> his antibiotic at the same time as the nystatin then he eats and a

1/2

> hour after he gets his antibiotic and nystatin he gets his

therbiotic

> complete.

I think you need to seperate the nystatin and probiotics by 1-2

hours for the nystatin to be effective.

Can you use activated charcoal when you are

> taking atibiotics?

You can use the activated charcoal about 30-45 minutes after the

nystatin and 2 hours away from all other supplements, including

antibiotics. When dd was on the nystatin this was the schedule:

- 7 am - nystatin with no fenol in apple juice first thing in the

morning on an empty stomach.

- 8 am - breakfast with houston trio, chewable probiotic right after

breakfast(could not wait the 2 hours after nystatin because of

school).

- nystatin with no fenol in apple juice when she got off the bus at

4:00 pm

5:30-6 pm - dinner with Houston trio

- nystatin with no fenol in apple juice right before bed.

We tried to dose it on an empty stomach as much as possible and we

only got up to 3 mil a day (4 mil was prescribed) but this did help

tremendously. We stopped it after 2 months as dd just would not

drink it anymore and she doesn't swallow pills. We did not give

activated charcoal as dd would not take it then (she does now

though). You could fit in the activated charcoal 1/2 hour after each

nystatin dose then do supplements 1-2 hours later if your schedule

permits. Epsom salt baths or cream will help with detox/die-off as

well. We use the Kirman's magnesium sulfate cream every night before

bed and this has really helped.

The antibiotics will stir up the yeast, so increasing the nystatin

was the right thing to do. There are several other anti-

fungals/yeast fighters - we are currently using Threelac with good

results.

Hope this helps,

[Guest guest]

>

> -

> > In the morning with breakfast he has the houston trio- then I give

> him

> > his antibiotic at the same time as the nystatin then he eats and a

> 1/2

> > hour after he gets his antibiotic and nystatin he gets his

> therbiotic

> > complete.

>

> I think you need to seperate the nystatin and probiotics by 1-2

> hours for the nystatin to be effective.

>

> Can you use activated charcoal when you are

> > taking atibiotics?

>

> You can use the activated charcoal about 30-45 minutes after the

> nystatin and 2 hours away from all other supplements, including

> antibiotics. When dd was on the nystatin this was the schedule:

>

> - 7 am - nystatin with no fenol in apple juice first thing in the

> morning on an empty stomach.

>

> - 8 am - breakfast with houston trio, chewable probiotic right after

> breakfast(could not wait the 2 hours after nystatin because of

> school).

>

> - nystatin with no fenol in apple juice when she got off the bus at

> 4:00 pm

>

> 5:30-6 pm - dinner with Houston trio

>

> - nystatin with no fenol in apple juice right before bed.

>

> We tried to dose it on an empty stomach as much as possible and we

> only got up to 3 mil a day (4 mil was prescribed) but this did help

> tremendously. We stopped it after 2 months as dd just would not

> drink it anymore and she doesn't swallow pills. We did not give

> activated charcoal as dd would not take it then (she does now

> though). You could fit in the activated charcoal 1/2 hour after each

> nystatin dose then do supplements 1-2 hours later if your schedule

> permits. Epsom salt baths or cream will help with detox/die-off as

> well. We use the Kirman's magnesium sulfate cream every night before

> bed and this has really helped.

>

> The antibiotics will stir up the yeast, so increasing the nystatin

> was the right thing to do. There are several other anti-

> fungals/yeast fighters - we are currently using Threelac with good

> results.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

Hi ,

Thank you for the great schedule and advice when he is off the

antibiotic which will be soon I think I will do the same type of

schedule. How long have you been using Threelac? Do you also use

oxygen elements? I have both but have not tried either. One of our

nutritionists (we have 2) that we would have to watch out for

overgrowth of the lactobacillus in threelac because it doesn't also

have bifido bacterium and one grows in small intestine and one in

large intestine. I am very confused about all this stuff. Also what

kind of nystatin did you use? We have the suspension that is preserve

free, die free, sugar free. Do you use the suspension - does yours

have xylitol in it or glycerine? I am curious to know more about

Threelac- did you have to change her diet alot? My son is such a

sugar fiend. He used to eat veggies when they were in baby food jars

then they changed to the plastic containers and he didn't like the new

texture of the veggies (a little lumpier I think) then he stopped

eating frozen peas for some reason and now the only veggies he gets

are the ones I hide in the meatloaf. When his yeast is dying he is

even more of a sugarholic and that makes it worse to try to avoid the

sugars. We had a giant mess when we tried to give him peas a couple

nights ago he threw his plate on the floor and then refused to eat

anything at all. He has phenol issues, his yeast usually only comes

up at 1+ on tests but he is still just very addicted to sugary starchy

things. I want to also try Threelac for myself once I get my own

yeast tests back. So I am curious how to start it for myself and my

son. Any info would be great. Thanks, Wanda

[Guest guest]

> because whenever he has some type of B vitamin he wakes up very alert

> and wakes up earlier than usual no matter what time he goes to bed.

> He had been waking up every morning at 6:15 sharp now it is about 5:45

> or so. Also when his yeast is up he wakes up earlier and hyper.

This can definitely mean yeast, or it can also mean he needs folic

acid now.

>>Does this sound like I am doing

> this the right way?

It seemed okay to me.

>>Can you use activated charcoal when you are

> taking atibiotics? My husband says we should not use it.

It absorbs everything. So if you want to give it, it should be at

least 45 minutes after the antibiotic/Nystatin to address die off

symptoms.

Should we

> just continue until he is done with his antibiotic then continue on

> with the nystatin and then add in the charcoal next week when he is

> off the antibiotic?

If you are waiting until AFTER the antibiotic, why are you giving it?

>>I also think the antibiotic makes his

> face slightly dry and blotchy. When I asked the pediatrician if he

> should be treated as if he is allergic to penacillin (like I am) she

> said no. But maybe he is - just not anaphalactically like myself- but

> she wouldn't put him on something else.

This does sound like he is probably allergic or at least intolerant to

the antibiotic.

>>The pharmacist said give

> the antibiotic then wait thirty minutes then give the nystatin with

> the probiotic- this did not seem to work- it seems I have to give the

> nystatin at the exact time as the antibiotic. Is this usually true?

Yes.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > because whenever he has some type of B vitamin he wakes up very alert

> > and wakes up earlier than usual no matter what time he goes to bed.

> > He had been waking up every morning at 6:15 sharp now it is about 5:45

> > or so. Also when his yeast is up he wakes up earlier and hyper.

>

>

> This can definitely mean yeast, or it can also mean he needs folic

> acid now.

>

>

> >>Does this sound like I am doing

> > this the right way?

>

>

> It seemed okay to me.

>

>

> >>Can you use activated charcoal when you are

> > taking atibiotics? My husband says we should not use it.

>

>

> It absorbs everything. So if you want to give it, it should be at

> least 45 minutes after the antibiotic/Nystatin to address die off

> symptoms.

>

>

> Should we

> > just continue until he is done with his antibiotic then continue on

> > with the nystatin and then add in the charcoal next week when he is

> > off the antibiotic?

>

>

> If you are waiting until AFTER the antibiotic, why are you giving it?

>

>

> >>I also think the antibiotic makes his

> > face slightly dry and blotchy. When I asked the pediatrician if he

> > should be treated as if he is allergic to penacillin (like I am) she

> > said no. But maybe he is - just not anaphalactically like myself- but

> > she wouldn't put him on something else.

>

>

> This does sound like he is probably allergic or at least intolerant to

> the antibiotic.

>

>

> >>The pharmacist said give

> > the antibiotic then wait thirty minutes then give the nystatin with

> > the probiotic- this did not seem to work- it seems I have to give the

> > nystatin at the exact time as the antibiotic. Is this usually true?

>

>

> Yes.

>

> Dana

>

Thank you for the advice as always. I asked the DAN dr. today what

kind of yeast they found in the stool and urine it was candida

lusitaniae- which is one of the less common ones and apparently

resistant to lots of stuff. Will the grapefruit seed extract work for

this at all? Wanda

[Guest guest]

> Thank you for the advice as always. I asked the DAN dr. today what

> kind of yeast they found in the stool and urine it was candida

> lusitaniae- which is one of the less common ones and apparently

> resistant to lots of stuff. Will the grapefruit seed extract work for

> this at all?

I don't know, but for my son, GSE worked for all yeast except the

yeast caused by Lauricidin. So I think it is worth a try.

I googled this yeast and this site seems informative

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=267283

Dana