yeast and bacteria -treating with naturals

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

We are trying to manage 4 yr old Lucy's yeast and bacteria

issues with naturals and diet. Our one round of flagyl and

diflucan provided temporary results and we won't be doing it

again.

We have some luck with gse and o of o. I want to introduce

SF722 and uva ursi.

questions:

can I give the o of o along with the more yeast fighting ones? I'm

assuming that o of o is for bacteria and the others are for yeast.

gse works well for us but I use it only for a few days because of

the liver issue.

I'm thinking of colloidal silver and am wondering if people do

yeast fighters along with it? I am looking at the vitamin research

brand and would use it very carefully if I decide to do it.

We are using a metagenics bifida ... (b. infantis) and homemade

saurekraut. We are considering goat yogurt.

Of course we have been doing the dietary stuff forever.

Am also interested to know doses of SF722 and uva ursi and

how many times a day people have used it.

Many thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've fought way more yeast than I want to think about. Haven't had a

problem with it for several years now (knock on wood!). My thoughts below...

At 07:18 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>We are trying to manage 4 yr old Lucy's yeast and bacteria

>issues with naturals and diet. Our one round of flagyl and

>diflucan provided temporary results and we won't be doing it

>again.

>

>We have some luck with gse and o of o. I want to introduce

>SF722 and uva ursi.

>

>questions:

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>can I give the o of o along with the more yeast fighting ones? I'm

>assuming that o of o is for bacteria and the others are for yeast.

No, actually oil of oregano is for yeast, too. I would only give one of

these at a time, if it was me.

>gse works well for us but I use it only for a few days because of

>the liver issue.

I wouldn't give any of them more than a few days at a time, not only

because of liver concerns, but because yeast becomes resistant to any of

them pretty fast and some of them, including GSE, kill a lot of good

bacteria along with the bad.

>I'm thinking of colloidal silver and am wondering if people do

>yeast fighters along with it? I am looking at the vitamin research

>brand and would use it very carefully if I decide to do it.

I am cautious of using any metal product in our kids who have such problems

detoxifying metals. I myself would steer clear of colloidal silver and use

the other great antibacterial tools --- have you considered biocidin? It's

one of my favorites, because it's a triple whammy -- fights yeast, bacteria

and parasites, all in one (expensive) little bottle!

>We are using a metagenics bifida ... (b. infantis) and homemade

>saurekraut. We are considering goat yogurt.

Yes, good friendly bacteria are so important. We've tried tons of

different ones. At my house, it's Primal Defense all around and sometimes

I rotate to something else for awhile, just to keep it changing. I don't

have the energy anymore to do the homemade yogurt/kefir thing, and not sure

I could get him to eat it anyhow -- more power to you!

>Of course we have been doing the dietary stuff forever.

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>Am also interested to know doses of SF722 and uva ursi and

>how many times a day people have used it.

I suggest half the adult dose on the bottle, but I'd start with one drop

twice a day of each and work up to that. Again, my approach is just one

antifungal at a time, 4 days each, then rotate to the next. If this isn't

enough, then I'd do two at a time, balanced to fight yeast and bacteria or

whatever else you have going on, and still rotate every 4 days. You could

include prescription ones as part of the rotation, I know some people who

do that. I think it's critical to keep switching, so that

a. the yeast doesn't get resistant to whatever you're using

b. you don't destroy too much of the good bacteria in the gut

Rationale for b.: each antifungal probably kills a somewhat different

population of friendly bacteria in the gut, and some kill more than others,

so using each one for only a few days minimizes the risk of killiing too

much good bacteria the way that nystatin, diflucan or GSE can do, if you

use them for more than a few days. In my opinion, the trouble with

prescription antifungals is that they leave such an empty and vulnerable

gut, for bad guys to move right back into. Certainly this was the case

with my guy.

This approach has been highly successful for us for over 3 yrs now. Here's

a weblog I wrote on it:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/tmykland/682.html

Good luck!

Terri

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[Guest guest]

> We are using a metagenics bifida ... (b. infantis) and homemade

> saurekraut. We are considering goat yogurt.

Good for you! Saurekraut will be really helpful. And I would suggest

homemade kefir instead of jogurt. While jogurt contains just 1-2-3

strains of bacteria, kefir contains a few dosens differnet strains of

friendly bacteria and yeasts. I treated my son's yeasts for almost 2

years with everything you mentioned and with only temporary succes. 6

months ago I started giving my son homemade kefir. Since that time he

never needed any antifungals, any probiotics in pills, nothing - just

kefir.

You could find info on kefir here:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

I have to add that my son could not tolerate dairy kefir even with

enzymes, so I make kefir with nut milk. And you could make it with

soy milk as well:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html

One more option - kombucha. I added it to my son's diet a couple

months ago and find it wonderful. It is not just very good probiotic

but helps in detoxying his liver as well.

http://www.kombuchatea.co.uk/index.asp

http://w3.trib.com/%7Ekombu/index.shtml

http://www.kombuchapilz.de/english/prices.htm

Hope that helps

Galina

By the way, I did not have problem in getting kombucha and kefir into

my son. Probably, this was because I started from just 1 tsp and

worked up to a glass a day very slowly - it took more than a month.

By that time DS just got used to its taste. He even prefers to drink

kombucha instead of water or sweet drinks.

[Guest guest]

My 10 yrsold is allergic to almond,coconut and soy too besides dairy.Can kefir

be made with rice milk too?

sweetangel's mom

nikitasmom33 <nikitasmom33@...> wrote:

> We are using a metagenics bifida ... (b. infantis) and homemade

> saurekraut. We are considering goat yogurt.

Good for you! Saurekraut will be really helpful. And I would suggest

homemade kefir instead of jogurt. While jogurt contains just 1-2-3

strains of bacteria, kefir contains a few dosens differnet strains of

friendly bacteria and yeasts. I treated my son's yeasts for almost 2

years with everything you mentioned and with only temporary succes. 6

months ago I started giving my son homemade kefir. Since that time he

never needed any antifungals, any probiotics in pills, nothing - just

kefir.

You could find info on kefir here:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

I have to add that my son could not tolerate dairy kefir even with

enzymes, so I make kefir with nut milk. And you could make it with

soy milk as well:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html

One more option - kombucha. I added it to my son's diet a couple

months ago and find it wonderful. It is not just very good probiotic

but helps in detoxying his liver as well.

http://www.kombuchatea.co.uk/index.asp

http://w3.trib.com/%7Ekombu/index.shtml

http://www.kombuchapilz.de/english/prices.htm

Hope that helps

Galina

By the way, I did not have problem in getting kombucha and kefir into

my son. Probably, this was because I started from just 1 tsp and

worked up to a glass a day very slowly - it took more than a month.

By that time DS just got used to its taste. He even prefers to drink

kombucha instead of water or sweet drinks.

[Guest guest]

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> My 10 yrsold is allergic to almond,coconut and soy too besides

dairy.Can kefir be made with rice milk too?

> sweetangel's mom

I guess it might work though the taste might be not so good... Did

you try hazelnuts or cashew? Cashew are not true nuts so he might

tolerate them. My son can't tolerate almonds and soy too but he is

fine with hazelnuts and cashew. I know that Body ecology diet advices

kefir made with young green coconut.

Kombucha needs just tea and sugar for fermenting - nothing to be

allergic to. And don't worry about sugar - it is the food for good

bacteria, there won't be much sugar left in the ready drink. As a

matter of fact I don't keep sugar-free diet at all since starting

kefir.

Just don't forget to start very slowly like you would do with any

other supplements. At the start I gave my son just 1tsp of kefir and

it was enough for die-off effect. Guess what could happen if I gave

him a half of glass! Though now he can drink full glass of kefir and

glass of kombucha without any problem.

Galina

[Guest guest]

More about kefir... I would recommend to use only real kefir grains

not kefir starter culture

Kefir grains will be cheaper to you. You have to buy starter again

and again while kefir grains will propagate and you will be able even

to share them with your friends. You can find kefir makers who would

be glad to share grains with you here:

http://www.torontoadvisors.com/Kefir/kefir-list.php

What is more important kefir grains are more beneficial. Just compare

their microflora:

KEFIR CULTURE STARTER

Lactococcus lactis subsp. lactis

Lactococcus lactis subsp. cremoris

Lactococcus lactis subsp. diacetylactis

Leuconostoc mesenteroides subsp. cremoris

Lactobacillus kefyr

Klyveromyces marxianus var. marxianus

Saccaromyces unisporus

TYPICAL MICROFLORA ISOLATED FROM BATCHES OF KEFIR GRAINS

LACTOBACILLI

Lb. acidophilus

Lb. brevis

Lb. casei

Lb. casei subsp. rhamnosus

Lb. casei subsp. pseudoplantarum

Lb. paracasei subsp. paracasei

Lb. cellobiosus

Lb. delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus

Lb. delbrueckii subsp. lactis

Lb. fructivorans

Lb. helveticus subsp. lactis

Lb. hilgardii

Lb. kefiri

Lb. kefiranofaciens

Lb. kefirgranum sp. nov*

Lb. parakefir sp. nov*

Lb. lactis

Lb. plantarum

STREPTOCOCCI/LACTOCOCCI

Lactococci lactis subsp. lactis

Lc. lactis var. diacetylactis

Lc. lactis subsp. cremoris

Streptococci salivarius subsp. thermophilus

Strep. lactis

Enterococcus durans

Leuconostoc cremoris

Leuc. mesenteroides

YEASTS

Candida kefir

C. pseudotropicalis

C. rancens

C. tenuis

Kluyveromyces lactis

Kluyveromyces marxianus var. marxianus

K. bulgaricus

K. fragilis / marxianus

Saccharomyces subsp. Torulopsis holmii

Saccharomyces lactis

Sacc. carlsbergensis

Sacc. unisporus

Debaryomyces hansenii**

Zygosaccharomyces rouxii**

ACETOBACTER

Acetobacter aceti

A. rasens