Re: Coconut oil/calcium dilemma

[Guest guest]

Dear Amy, I have never encounter this severe of an issue but after months of

using coconut oil happily, I realized my son had very high IgG reaction to

coconut, cashews and other tree nuts.

Is it possible that he may be sensitive to it?

Other wise coconut has wonderful antiviral properties. Having said that and

the fact that your son has the same issues with ViraStop, it is possible that

your son has major viral issues and with both these, he starts a sever healing

regression.

I do hope that you figure out this mystery soon.

Haleh

--- Amy <noahsmom7898@...> wrote:

> Does anyone else use coconut oil for baking, or lauric acid? I am

> seeing the strangest thing. First, my son's yeast is completely out

> of control, and I can't see why, because all he eats is chicken

> salad (plain, no bread or chips) and some of the baked goods I've

> made with coconut oil, which are totally sf. Second, he is very

> unreachable lately and seems to feel sick all the time, like before

> Virastop. Third, he's saying " The End " constantly and turning to

> the last page of his books first, just to say that. Or making me

> read the library or congress information in addition to the book

> texts. This is historically what he's done when his calcium has

> been high - but he has no current calcium source, and is cf.

>

> Even more curious, he had the same " The End " reaction to the

> Virastop trial, which I had assumed was from the miniscule amount of

> calcium in Virastop, because it resolved with IP6. Well IP6 is not

> touching the current round of " The End, " like it did initially.

>

> Does coconut oil have some amount of calcium that I can't find on a

> nutrition facts table? Could the antiviral properties in Virastop

> and now coconut oil be causing this spacey, regressed, rigid,

> repetitive, sickly state? If so, if it's some sort of viral thing,

> would you give more, or back off?

>

> Finally according to coconut oil websites - it has antibacterial

> properties as well. (Honestly I had no idea. I only bought it

> because it's a cheap healthier substitute for shortening.) How much

> of an antibiotic property do you think it has - enough to cause

> yeast???

>

> Thanks,

> Amy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You say your baking is sugar-free, but what kind of flour are you

baking with? And do you use yeast in the baking? --Lalita

On Jun 19, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Amy wrote:

> Does anyone else use coconut oil for baking, or lauric acid? I am

> seeing the strangest thing. First, my son's yeast is completely out

> of control, and I can't see why, because all he eats is chicken

> salad (plain, no bread or chips) and some of the baked goods I've

> made with coconut oil, which are totally sf.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I used coconut oil with the same result, my son regressed and

exhibited behavoir I hadn't seen for a very long time. At first I

though it was die off or yeast since the symptoms were the same.

But now I think he was having an allergic reaction. Also could have

difficulty metabolizing the fat, that's been discussed on this board

before (not coconut oil specifically). Why don't you try taking it

out of his diet and see if he stops the behaivoir. My son stopped

his behavoir 2 or 3 days after I removed it. Marilyn

> Does anyone else use coconut oil for baking, or lauric acid? I am

> seeing the strangest thing. First, my son's yeast is completely

out

> of control, and I can't see why, because all he eats is chicken

> salad (plain, no bread or chips) and some of the baked goods I've

> made with coconut oil, which are totally sf. Second, he is very

> unreachable lately and seems to feel sick all the time, like

before

> Virastop. Third, he's saying " The End " constantly and turning to

> the last page of his books first, just to say that. Or making me

> read the library or congress information in addition to the book

> texts. This is historically what he's done when his calcium has

> been high - but he has no current calcium source, and is cf.

>

> Even more curious, he had the same " The End " reaction to the

> Virastop trial, which I had assumed was from the miniscule amount

of

> calcium in Virastop, because it resolved with IP6. Well IP6 is

not

> touching the current round of " The End, " like it did initially.

>

> Does coconut oil have some amount of calcium that I can't find on

a

> nutrition facts table? Could the antiviral properties in Virastop

> and now coconut oil be causing this spacey, regressed, rigid,

> repetitive, sickly state? If so, if it's some sort of viral

thing,

> would you give more, or back off?

>

> Finally according to coconut oil websites - it has antibacterial

> properties as well. (Honestly I had no idea. I only bought it

> because it's a cheap healthier substitute for shortening.) How

much

> of an antibiotic property do you think it has - enough to cause

> yeast???

>

> Thanks,

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Does anyone else use coconut oil for baking, or lauric acid? I am

> seeing the strangest thing. First, my son's yeast is completely out

> of control,

I am told that Lauricidin is an anti-viral and anti-fungal, but I

never could use it because it caused too much yeast. Coconut oil is

also supposed to help with viruses, so might cause excessive yeast.

Try increasing your yeast protocol, or use something else for viruses

[Virastop and OLE worked here, with a lot of yeast but it was

controllable, not like with Lauricidin].

> unreachable lately and seems to feel sick all the time, like before

> Virastop. Third, he's saying " The End " constantly and turning to

> the last page of his books first, just to say that. Or making me

> read the library or congress information in addition to the book

> texts.

This sounds like viruses are coming out, and also causing yeast.

>>This is historically what he's done when his calcium has

> been high - but he has no current calcium source, and is cf.

Do you still use IP6?

>>Could the antiviral properties in Virastop

> and now coconut oil be causing this spacey, regressed, rigid,

> repetitive, sickly state? If so, if it's some sort of viral thing,

> would you give more, or back off?

I would keep it the same for a week or so. It does sound like viruses

are possibly coming out, because this is similar to what my son would

do. Regress into virus issues for a short while, then the virus would

leave, either as a cold/flu, or as a rash.

> Finally according to coconut oil websites - it has antibacterial

> properties as well. (Honestly I had no idea. I only bought it

> because it's a cheap healthier substitute for shortening.) How much

> of an antibiotic property do you think it has - enough to cause

> yeast???

I don't know, but viruses coming out sure caused yeast over here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> You say your baking is sugar-free, but what kind of flour are you

> baking with? And do you use yeast in the baking? --Lalita

The only flour he can tolerate is organic whole wheat pastry flour.

I don't use yeast.

I am going to try Dana's suggestion to get through another week, at

least, to see if there is a good virus thing going on......not to

mention, all the cookies, muffins, etc. in the freezer. (the last

day it was unseasonably cold, I went crazy baking for half the

summer.)

I've also decided to attend one of the Great Plains lab appointments

this summer where I will have his blood drawn allergy tests, because

that's another possibility, which I don't want to ignore.

Thank you all very much!!

Amy

[Guest guest]

In our experience, wheat is a big yeast feeder . . . -- Lalita

On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Amy wrote:

>

> >

> > You say your baking is sugar-free, but what kind of flour are you

> > baking with? And do you use yeast in the baking? --Lalita

>

> The only flour he can tolerate is organic whole wheat pastry flour.

> I don't use yeast.

>

> I am going to try Dana's suggestion to get through another week, at

> least, to see if there is a good virus thing going on......not to

> mention, all the cookies, muffins, etc. in the freezer. (the last

> day it was unseasonably cold, I went crazy baking for half the

> summer.)

>

> I've also decided to attend one of the Great Plains lab appointments

> this summer where I will have his blood drawn allergy tests, because

> that's another possibility, which I don't want to ignore.

>

> Thank you all very much!!

>

> Amy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In our experience, wheat is a big yeast feeder . . . -- Lalita

Well, true. However there isn't another flour, nut, starch or grain

that feeds it less, that he can tolerate. I would really like to see

him on something like Atkins ... but he's only 7 years old and over

the 100th percentile for height/weight, and I don't know what else to

feed him for a complex carb. He can't eat anything else but animal

products and an occasional (rotated) corn chip or potato chip or piece

of fruit, and he won't touch a vegetable.

It's very frustrating.

Amy

[Guest guest]

> Do you still use IP6?

If he starts the behaviors I will give him one or two chewable IP6's

for 1-2 days, and they resolve. This time, IP6 didn't help at all

with any of the previous symptoms that it previously had resolved -

carrying around books open to the last page and repeating " The End, "

saying no to me for everything (like snacks and baths as well as

things he actually doesn't like), and overall an oppositional, tired,

cranky, obsessive rigidity.

It's very mysterious. I was sure most of that was calcium/iron,

because when I took those sources out of his diet and used IP6, which

I did right after you first posted about (of course), all those

behaviors stopped. But now they've resurfaced - possibly they were

(or are now) unrelated to mineral toxicity?

Amy

[Guest guest]

>

> > Do you still use IP6?

> If he starts the behaviors I will give him one or two chewable IP6's

> for 1-2 days, and they resolve. This time, IP6 didn't help at all

> with any of the previous symptoms that it previously had resolved -

> carrying around books open to the last page and repeating " The End, "

> saying no to me for everything (like snacks and baths as well as

> things he actually doesn't like), and overall an oppositional, tired,

> cranky, obsessive rigidity.

Are you sure he is not yeasty? Once I resolved the mineral toxicity

issue, and the virus issue, now my son will have those problems only

when he has yeast in his brain, which still occasionally happens

because I am giving slightly elevated doses of mB12 and folic acid.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Are you sure he is not yeasty? Once I resolved the mineral

toxicity

> issue, and the virus issue, now my son will have those problems

only

> when he has yeast in his brain, which still occasionally happens

> because I am giving slightly elevated doses of mB12 and folic acid.

*expletive* yep that's it. Based on his latest OAT I had added

B12, B6, B5 and folate for a few weeks - at the same time I

switched to coconut oil. I stopped those 2 weeks ago, but continued

with the coconut oil.

I should have guessed when he was eating 3-4 lbs of chicken salad

every night, but I was thinking since it was protein it wasn't a

yeast-based food craving. Perhaps when yeast is in the brain, it

just says " eat, " and is not as specific about the particular type of

food.

You know, when in doubt, I really just need to think " yeast. " A lot

of kids on here seem to have quite a myriad of issues, but mine were

both born coated in white. Our puzzle is pretty much just 2 pieces

(mercury and yeast.)

I am giving him 3 Nystatin tabs a day, plus 1 packet of 3Lac. I

hope his liver is ok; his normal dose is already 2 tabs (they come

in a universal dose - 500,000U I think.)

Thanks,

Amy

[Guest guest]

For us, even a smidge of coconut oil was too much, for the very antibacterial

antiviral properties. So I'd guess the coconut oil is doing something, but

whether your child can tolerate that is up to your discretion. Not only do these

things clear up bacteria and viral issues, but then you have to re-evaluate what

is more available now. Ex. if you're using high doses of Vit. A, and now the

viral issue is cleared up, that high Vit. A dose could pose a very real problem.

Or, say the body is use to a certain nutrient being depleted, but with the virus

gone, now the body is trying to balance out again. Or, it could be what we are

facing, as you clear up a viral issue, a yeast issue flares immediately.

Coconut oil/calcium dilemma

Does anyone else use coconut oil for baking, or lauric acid? I am

seeing the strangest thing. First, my son's yeast is completely out

of control, and I can't see why, because all he eats is chicken

salad (plain, no bread or chips) and some of the baked goods I've

made with coconut oil, which are totally sf. Second, he is very

unreachable lately and seems to feel sick all the time, like before

Virastop. Third, he's saying " The End " constantly and turning to

the last page of his books first, just to say that. Or making me

read the library or congress information in addition to the book

texts. This is historically what he's done when his calcium has

been high - but he has no current calcium source, and is cf.

Even more curious, he had the same " The End " reaction to the

Virastop trial, which I had assumed was from the miniscule amount of

calcium in Virastop, because it resolved with IP6. Well IP6 is not

touching the current round of " The End, " like it did initially.

Does coconut oil have some amount of calcium that I can't find on a

nutrition facts table? Could the antiviral properties in Virastop

and now coconut oil be causing this spacey, regressed, rigid,

repetitive, sickly state? If so, if it's some sort of viral thing,

would you give more, or back off?

Finally according to coconut oil websites - it has antibacterial

properties as well. (Honestly I had no idea. I only bought it

because it's a cheap healthier substitute for shortening.) How much

of an antibiotic property do you think it has - enough to cause

yeast???

Thanks,

Amy

[Guest guest]

>>> For us, even a smidge of coconut oil was too much, for the very

antibacterial antiviral properties.

Just wanted to point out the MCT oil which is a common filler in

supplements is also related to coconut oil. Some people highly

sensitive to coconut can have a reaction to MCT oil. Here is more on

this (by the way, I am currently fixing a few points on the Lauricidin

product with the help of that company, but the basic MCT info is fine):

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtmct.htm

.

[Guest guest]

Yup. This is why we have to stick to the rice bran filler Houston enzymes in

capsules.

Re: Coconut oil/calcium dilemma

>>> For us, even a smidge of coconut oil was too much, for the very

antibacterial antiviral properties.

Just wanted to point out the MCT oil which is a common filler in

supplements is also related to coconut oil. Some people highly

sensitive to coconut can have a reaction to MCT oil. Here is more on

this (by the way, I am currently fixing a few points on the Lauricidin

product with the help of that company, but the basic MCT info is fine):

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtmct.htm

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