Virastop question

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> hi

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> did anyone notice a loss of appetite within the first few days of

starting virastop?

>

Yes definitely. This didn't really resolve but it's not significant

enough to be a serious problem.

Amy

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[Guest guest]

thank you, thats reassuring

emma

noahsmom7898 <noahsmom7898@...> wrote:

>

> hi

>

> did anyone notice a loss of appetite within the first few days of

starting virastop?

>

Yes definitely. This didn't really resolve but it's not significant

enough to be a serious problem.

Amy

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> oh and does virastop inflame yeast because its actually causing die

off of the yeast or because of something else?

When viruses " die off " , the process tends to increase yeast. Not sure

why, but it does. So it is not causing yeast die off, but actually an

INCREASE of yeast.

Dana

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> dana, where is the info on virastop? were there any studies done, etc?

Not sure what info you are looking for. I have links for studies here

http://www.nationalenzymecompany.com/data_files/TNO_Research_Web.pdf

http://www.enzymestuff.com/conditionviruses.htm

Dana

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> I have given my son virastop capsules for his ocd issues. First I

started with 4 and

> gradually increased to 20 caps a day and he is on 20 caps for two

weeks now. In the

> beginning he was hyper and screamed a lot(I don't know if this is

from virastop or ole).

Might have been viral " die off " , might have been yeast overgrowth

[viral " die off " tends to cause yeast overgrowth].

But

> after taking ole off he is pretty calm and stable. The problem is I

still see lots of ocd

> behavior even though it seems a little better than before.

It might take a while for the virus/es to reduce. Or, you might want

to add a lower dose of OLE to help eliminate the viruses.

Increase your yeast protocol.

Dana

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> I did a search, but came to no hard conclusions. I started

virastop

> with my son at one capsule this morning with his usual yeast

protocol

> (ramped up a little) on an empty stomach.

>

> He seems to be playing a little better and on his own today and

not

> eating as well, but otherwise no bad behaviors, fevers, rashes or

> anything. I am not noticing increased yeast at this point as he

will

> usually start smelling like some bread and the rest is history.

>

> Is one capsule enough? How long should I stay at this dose before

> going up and then do I go up 1 or 2 capsules? I have read about

the

> stair step dosing, but want to be clear that I am starting with

enough

> and going up enough each " step " .

>

> He is getting lots of vitamin C and A also. I do think he has had

more

> BM's today, but nothing runny or out of control.

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Laurie

I've been going up by just one a day. I usually hold at a

particular dose for 3 days if I'm not seeing any symptoms. If he

does show fever, rash, ect I hold at that dose untill the symptoms

have worked out. I wanted to do the VS real slow because my son is

in school and I didn't want him missing too much do to side

effects. I think how fast you go up is really going to be

individual.

[Guest guest]

> Is one capsule enough?

To start with, yes.

>> How long should I stay at this dose before

> going up and then do I go up 1 or 2 capsules?

Wait a few days, then give him one capsule am and one capsule mid to

late afternoon.

Dana

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>>>>How long should I stay at this dose before going up and then do I

go up 1 or 2 capsules?

Generally, add in 1 or 2 capsule a days however it is comfortable for

you or convenient. In the trials done, I suggested 2 capsules a day

until you started to see a change (positive or negative), and then

consider 1 capsule if there were negative adjustments. Just like Low-n-

Slow dosing method, this would minimize uncomfortable adjustments. Some

people saw improvement (or adustments) from the very beginning of

ViraStop, while many others saw NO change at all until they got to

around 12 capsules a day...at that level, there was an abrupt change.

.

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We began giving virastop, only 1/4 cap once a day to start two days

ago. My son has a tiny rash on his cheek now. Any connection? We did

see these same type of tiny skin rashes when we tried to use OLE last

week for a stubborn cold virus. We did have to stop that though

because his behavior was terrible. How long should he be on virastop,

or can you use this only when getting sick, since we are not

addressing viruses head on. Just trying to get him well when his

system can't seem to do it.

(we are on cold number three in a month).

thanks for any insight on how to use this supplement and what to

expect.

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Maggie,

My son is now on 7 virastops 3x's daily and as we would go up I

noticed red spots and he would even get a low fever. Now I give him

candidase with the virastop. I obviously did what you are doing low

and slow. His nose also runs and I also have seen crazy behaviors and

stims. I do notice as soon as the symptoms subside so does the rash

and behaviors and he is gaining more in his development. I believe it

is a die off and that these are great signs. I used to not see much

prior to starting these enzymes (i would see things from time to

time) and now I get so excited when I see him go through these.

Something is coming out. You might what to look into the candidase

(enzymedica) and do a combo. I think so far all signs are great for

your son. As you increase you will start to see him really change.

Hope this helps.

>

> Are the rashes from viral always in isolated spots? I started my

son on

> 1 cap of Virastop 3 x daily and then moved it up to 2 caps 3 x

daily.

> He got an itchy rash in several areas. I held the dose for 3 days

until

> the rash symptoms subsided and treated for yeast just in case I was

> seeing a yeast rash as opposed to viral. Then I gave him a dose of

3

> caps and it seems like the rash is coming back to life and still

itchy.

> His nose also has been running non stop even though the weather is

> super dry. Are these signs of viral die off? I haven't seen any

> improvements yet....a little more obssesive behaviors actually. Any

> thoughts?

>

> TIA,

> Maggie

>

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> I am up to taking 18 Virastop a day plus 2 Serra Gold. I am still

> getting sore throats on and off. I am taking 500mg of OLE a day and

> plan to add lysine next week (when I have a few days to feel crummy)

Be sure to take the lysine at least 2 hours apart from the OLE.

> When do I know I have reached a plateau? Then I stay at that number

> for 3 weeks and gradually back down to none?

At my house, I kept the dose until it did not appear to be helping,

then I increased it. At one point, increasing the dose did not appear

to have any effect, so I stayed at the lower dose.

> What dosage of OLE do I want to work up to? Same question for lysine?

> How long do I use these?

The most OLE I gave was 3000mg 3x per day. Lysine was the same dose,

interetingly. Lysine caused a LOT of yeast as it was eliminating

viruses, so watch for that.

I used OLE for my kids for about 2 years, lysine for about 6-8 months.

Dana

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> I am up to taking 18 Virastop a day plus 2 Serra Gold. I am still

> getting sore throats on and off. I am taking 500mg of OLE a day and

> plan to add lysine next week (when I have a few days to feel crummy)

>

> When do I know I have reached a plateau? Then I stay at that number

> for 3 weeks and gradually back down to none?

I would say as long as you are having symptoms like sore throat or other 'viral

kill' signs,

such as drowsiness, viral rash spots, or flu-like symptoms, keep increasing the

dose.

Some of the participants in past studies went to 30 capsules a day for three

weeks. When

you increase the dose a few capsules and then do not see any more improvements

over

than what you have AND have no viral kill symptoms, consider this your Holding

Point and

stay there for three weeks before reducing the dose.

I know this is a little loosey-goosey, but it is far better than what was

previously available.

As the enzymes-viral pilot studies continue, we can get better and more refined

guidelines. Also, all the information contributed in the group is equally

valuable.

I am interested to see what difference you feel the SerraGold is making? Did you

notice it

helping the ViraStop or not? Actually, it would make a lot of sense if the

SerraGold was

helping because it tends to increase circulation.

I work with a fellow that was having a noticeable reaction to 1 capsule of

ViraStop. He got

very drowsy with just 1 capsule. After several attempt with ViraStop and getting

a strong

response, he tried some of the SerraGold and really thought it helped with

energy, sleep,

and all around mood. I wonder if having a strong viral load means you would

respond well

to the SerraGold, and the SerraGold may faciliate the ViraStop in viral control.

The main enzyme in SerraGold is serratiopeptidase. There is a little of this

enzyme in

ViraStop but only 1/4 the amount as in SerraGold.

> What dosage of OLE do I want to work up to? Same question for lysine?

> How long do I use these?

I don't know any ranges on these two. It would be good if members of the group

having

use either of these would post their recommendations.

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