Re: Copper Supplementation

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Does the book provide a place to buy Copper sebacate?

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In a message dated 98-11-08 13:14:59 EST, you write:

<< Does the book provide a place to buy Copper sebacate? >>

No there is no mention of where it might be available.

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The Vitamin Shoppe has copper sebacate, 22 mg. by Source Naturals, Inc. You

can visit their site at www.vitaminshoppe.com

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In a message dated 11/30/99 12:43:03 AM !!!First Boot!!!, apollo@...

writes:

<< Hi, Is it who writes details on supplementations of minerals;

primarily copper for hyper and selenium for hypo, and do not allow iron

to compete for absorption of these necessary minerals? >>

Hi Apollo and Everyone,

Iron and zinc compete for absorption with copper, so it's possible to get

copper deficient by supplementing with zinc or iron. However, each of these

nutrients is very important for health and you don't want to take copper for

a very long time without also making sure that you are getting adequate

amounts of iron and zinc. However, at the beginning, it's best to take

copper without taking either iron or zinc, at least until the copper gets

replenished.

<<Statement: I am scared to ingest metals at any dose. Ignorance was

bliss for the most part. Just seems to me that taking copper without

monitoring it could be dangerous. I do not have medical insurance.>>

Thinking of copper as a " metal " isn't exactly correct. Taking a copper

supplement is not like swallowing a copper penny. Copper and other minerals

are " chelated " which means that they are attached to an amino acid which

transports the mineral into the cells. Every bite of food that you eat has

zinc, selenium, copper, iron, and many other minerals in it. Taking a

mineral supplement is just taking these minerals in a more concentrated form

for the purpose of alleviating a deficiency. Every multiple vitamin/mineral

supplement contains minerals; almost all contain copper, but unfortunately

not enough for hypers. Millions of people take these supplements every day.

The only supplements that I recommend are nutrients which are known to be

essential for human life. There is really nothing to be afraid of.

If you have an irrational fear of taking supplements, then that is

another concern that might need to be dealt with.

<<Question: Is anyone knowledgeable at which doses and over what time

period the copper would be at a set level. >>

Generally most people find that taking 6-8 mgs of copper at the beginning

and gradually reducing that to 3-5 mgs per day will greatly help in the

control of hyperT. How long this might be necessary is difficult to predict

and may have great individual variation.

<<I have been ingesting Lecithin which has a thousand milligrams of

choline and inositol. The book " Eat right for your type " suggest B

blood type ingest it more for digestion.>>

I've found that lecithin is a good supplement for me. One contributing

cause of hyperT can be insufficient lipids in the diet. Lecithin is one

lipid that might be very important for hypers. Also, lecithin is a good

supplement for nerve health and brain functioning.

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There is copper chelate in our multivitamin, just 1.4 mgs, and I think the upper

limit is 2 mgs.

Some people say to give any mineral away from calcium, but we don't.

[ ] Copper Supplementation

My 7 yo ds was low zinc (56, ref 110-190, low red) on his DDI hair

test, and copper was in the green, but below 50%. He was taking 40 mg

zinc for about 2 months, but had a couple of small nose bleeds, so I

decreased zinc to 30 mg about a week ago. He had another nose bleed

today, and I don't know if I should continue to decrease the zinc, or

to add a copper supplement, which I have been hesitant to do. We will

be doing our 4th round of DMSA/ALA this weekend (going great by the

way!). If I supplement copper, are there any suggestions for

form/brand and dosage for 45 lbs? My son does not swallow pills, so

capsules would be easier to mix. Also, does the copper need to be

separated from other supps, and how long to supplement?

Thanks!

Carmen

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Carmen, we have to supplement copper too. My son is also 45 lbs. For

a long time we used 1 mg copper and 10 mg zinc per day, now we're up

to 2 mg copper and 20 mg zinc. We use Twinlab's 2 mg copper

capsules, just open the capsule and put into food or drink. We divide

the dose into four servings per day. Like , we just put it

with everything else. Recently Dana said that you can put copper

into the morning dose of supplements, and zinc into evening supps to

maximize absorbtion of both. I might try this soon.

You really do want to be careful, as says the RDA (2 mg for a

child this age) is really the upper limit. I would try slowly adding

in copper and keeping the zinc at 30 mg. Keep a close eye on how

your child responds. In addition, you may want to double-check

copper levels with a serum copper, RBC copper or urine copper (timed

sample), and serum ceruloplasmin.

If you decide to do a trial of copper, you *could always take it out

after a few weeks or a month, continue with zinc as before, and then

just watch for nosebleeds, since they are a pretty clear indication

of low copper (at least for us). So far in about 9 months of copper

supplementation we have not tried taking it out, the nosebleeds we

get are just too scary.

best wishes

René

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> My 7 yo ds was low zinc (56, ref 110-190, low red) on his DDI hair

> test, and copper was in the green, but below 50%. He was taking 40

mg

> zinc for about 2 months, but had a couple of small nose bleeds, so

I

> decreased zinc to 30 mg about a week ago. He had another nose

bleed

> today, and I don't know if I should continue to decrease the zinc,

or

> to add a copper supplement, which I have been hesitant to do. We

will

> be doing our 4th round of DMSA/ALA this weekend (going great by the

> way!). If I supplement copper, are there any suggestions for

> form/brand and dosage for 45 lbs? My son does not swallow pills,

so

> capsules would be easier to mix. Also, does the copper need to be

> separated from other supps, and how long to supplement?

>

> Thanks!

> Carmen

>

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> My 7 yo ds was low zinc (56, ref 110-190, low red) on his DDI hair

> test, and copper was in the green, but below 50%. He was taking 40 mg

> zinc for about 2 months, but had a couple of small nose bleeds, so I

> decreased zinc to 30 mg about a week ago. He had another nose bleed

> today, and I don't know if I should continue to decrease the zinc, or

> to add a copper supplement, which I have been hesitant to do.

I would drop the zinc, wait a few days, then add zinc/copper either as

one supplement, or copper in the morning and zinc later in the day.

>>If I supplement copper, are there any suggestions for

> form/brand and dosage for 45 lbs?

2mg is USRDA. I gave 4-6mg for my #1, but he is age 12.

Dana