Re: new to the group - need to get copper down so that we can try ALA

[Guest guest]

What test did you use to determine his copper level? Does your house have

copper water pipes? Does he eat lots of foods high in copper? Check his supps

to make sure he's not getting copper from them.

S S

<p>Hi everyone,<br>

<br>

My name is . I am new to this group. I have a 4.9 YO boy with <br>

autism. He regressed at around 18 mo. He was on 6 mo of antibiotics <br>

(between 15 - 21 mo) for misdiagnosed TB. Needless to say, this did a <br>

number on his gut. He was vaccinated until age 3 when he was DX'd. <br>

<br>

We have been chelating with oral DMPS since the end of Sep (high in <br>

mercury, nickel , tin & tungsten), but I want to do ALA with DMPS. The <br>

problem is, he is extremely high in copper. He has been on zinc and <br>

molybdenum, but his metals test showed he was high on all 3 - copper, <br>

moly and zinc. I am confused because I thought zinc and moly were <br>

antagonistic to copper. Are there other supplements I could try to get <br>

the copper down? Currently he is doing DMPS, NCD, MB12 shots, a myriad <br>

of vitas, minerals and supps such as probiotics, CLO, Ketoifen to heal <br>

gut inflammation and Nystatin among other things. He is GFCFSF and is <br>

on a rotation diet. <br>

<br>

Thanks,<br>

<br>

<br>

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[Guest guest]

You need to be clearer about the tests and what the exact results were.

Andy

> Hi everyone,

>

> My name is . I am new to this group. I have a 4.9 YO boy with

> autism. He regressed at around 18 mo. He was on 6 mo of antibiotics

> (between 15 - 21 mo) for misdiagnosed TB. Needless to say, this did a

> number on his gut. He was vaccinated until age 3 when he was DX'd.

>

> We have been chelating with oral DMPS since the end of Sep (high in

> mercury, nickel , tin & tungsten), but I want to do ALA with DMPS. The

> problem is, he is extremely high in copper. He has been on zinc and

> molybdenum, but his metals test showed he was high on all 3 - copper,

> moly and zinc. I am confused because I thought zinc and moly were

> antagonistic to copper. Are there other supplements I could try to get

> the copper down? Currently he is doing DMPS, NCD, MB12 shots, a myriad

> of vitas, minerals and supps such as probiotics, CLO, Ketoifen to heal

> gut inflammation and Nystatin among other things. He is GFCFSF and is

> on a rotation diet.

I think you may be wasting a lot of your life with unnecessarily complex dietary

interventions. You might want to talk about WHY you do this in more detail.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We did a urine toxic metals test in September with DDI using oral

DMPS with a 6 hr collection period

Mercury 7.6 (ref range is < 5) - no surprise there

Copper 0.55 (ref range .012 -0.12)

Molybdenum 0.32(ref range .02 - 0.25)

Zinc 2.1 (ref range .015 -2.5) not over the range, but it is on the

higher end which I assume means he is getting enough zinc

His sulfur was 1780 (ref range 280-1800)- does this have an effect on

his ability to dump copper?

He was taking 25 mg of zinc and 150 mcg of moly every other day until

the metals test.

Since the test, he has been taking 45 mg of zinc and 50 mcg of moly

for 5 of 7 days a week. I was told not to give mineral supplements

during oral DMPS days (2 days on 5 days off schedule). He takes NCD -

3 drops 3x/day on the 5 days when he is not taking DMPS. I am hoping

this will keep the chelation efforts going.

We do not have copper plumbing, do not use copper cookware and all

supplements are copper free.

Thanks for your help,

>

> You need to be clearer about the tests and what the exact results

were.

>

> Andy

>

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > My name is . I am new to this group. I have a 4.9 YO boy

with

> > autism. He regressed at around 18 mo. He was on 6 mo of

antibiotics

> > (between 15 - 21 mo) for misdiagnosed TB. Needless to say, this

did a

> > number on his gut. He was vaccinated until age 3 when he was

DX'd.

> >

> > We have been chelating with oral DMPS since the end of Sep (high

in

> > mercury, nickel , tin & tungsten), but I want to do ALA with

DMPS. The

> > problem is, he is extremely high in copper. He has been on zinc

and

> > molybdenum, but his metals test showed he was high on all 3 -

copper,

> > moly and zinc. I am confused because I thought zinc and moly were

> > antagonistic to copper. Are there other supplements I could try

to get

> > the copper down? Currently he is doing DMPS, NCD, MB12 shots, a

myriad

> > of vitas, minerals and supps such as probiotics, CLO, Ketoifen to

heal

> > gut inflammation and Nystatin among other things. He is GFCFSF

and is

> > on a rotation diet.

>

> I think you may be wasting a lot of your life with unnecessarily

complex dietary

> interventions. You might want to talk about WHY you do this in

more detail.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

DMPS dramatically increases urinary copper excretion, this result does not mean

he has

high copper. In fact it is LOWER than I would expect.

It also increases excretion of zinc, molybdenum and some other essential

elements.

This test has almost no meaning.

If you are using the DMPS every other day, you are hurting your child. You must

apply it at

least every 8 hours or not at all. This is a basic chemical property of DMPS

and does not

change if you are seeing a physician who doesn't think professional

responsibility extends

to having to know what s/he is doing before prescribing.

When using DMPS you give all mineral supplements all the time, you do not vary

intake

depending on chelation status.

NCD doesn't chelate anything out of his body.

150 mcg of Molybdenum is generally not enough, 1000 mcg is more like it. You

usually

need 2-3 times that much zinc, too.

Andy

> We did a urine toxic metals test in September with DDI using oral

> DMPS with a 6 hr collection period

>

> Mercury 7.6 (ref range is < 5) - no surprise there

>

> Copper 0.55 (ref range .012 -0.12)

> Molybdenum 0.32(ref range .02 - 0.25)

> Zinc 2.1 (ref range .015 -2.5) not over the range, but it is on the

> higher end which I assume means he is getting enough zinc

>

> His sulfur was 1780 (ref range 280-1800)- does this have an effect on

> his ability to dump copper?

>

> He was taking 25 mg of zinc and 150 mcg of moly every other day until

> the metals test.

>

> Since the test, he has been taking 45 mg of zinc and 50 mcg of moly

> for 5 of 7 days a week. I was told not to give mineral supplements

> during oral DMPS days (2 days on 5 days off schedule). He takes NCD -

> 3 drops 3x/day on the 5 days when he is not taking DMPS. I am hoping

> this will keep the chelation efforts going.

>

> We do not have copper plumbing, do not use copper cookware and all

> supplements are copper free.

>

> Thanks for your help,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > You need to be clearer about the tests and what the exact results

> were.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > My name is . I am new to this group. I have a 4.9 YO boy

> with

> > > autism. He regressed at around 18 mo. He was on 6 mo of

> antibiotics

> > > (between 15 - 21 mo) for misdiagnosed TB. Needless to say, this

> did a

> > > number on his gut. He was vaccinated until age 3 when he was

> DX'd.

> > >

> > > We have been chelating with oral DMPS since the end of Sep (high

> in

> > > mercury, nickel , tin & tungsten), but I want to do ALA with

> DMPS. The

> > > problem is, he is extremely high in copper. He has been on zinc

> and

> > > molybdenum, but his metals test showed he was high on all 3 -

> copper,

> > > moly and zinc. I am confused because I thought zinc and moly were

> > > antagonistic to copper. Are there other supplements I could try

> to get

> > > the copper down? Currently he is doing DMPS, NCD, MB12 shots, a

> myriad

> > > of vitas, minerals and supps such as probiotics, CLO, Ketoifen to

> heal

> > > gut inflammation and Nystatin among other things. He is GFCFSF

> and is

> > > on a rotation diet.

> >

> > I think you may be wasting a lot of your life with unnecessarily

> complex dietary

> > interventions. You might want to talk about WHY you do this in

> more detail.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hope that wasn't a single high dose of DMPS, that's dangerous and poses a high

risk of pushing mercury into the brain.

S S

<p>We did a urine toxic metals test in September with DDI using oral

<br>

DMPS with a 6 hr collection period<br>

<br>

Mercury 7.6 (ref range is < 5) - no surprise there<br>

<br>

Copper 0.55 (ref range .012 -0.12)<br>

Molybdenum 0.32(ref range .02 - 0.25)<br>

Zinc 2.1 (ref range .015 -2.5) not over the range, but it is on the <br>

higher end which I assume means he is getting enough zinc<br>

<br>

His sulfur was 1780 (ref range 280-1800)- does this have an effect on <br>

his ability to dump copper?<br>

<br>

He was taking 25 mg of zinc and 150 mcg of moly every other day until <br>

the metals test. <br>

<br>

Since the test, he has been taking 45 mg of zinc and 50 mcg of moly <br>

for 5 of 7 days a week. I was told not to give mineral supplements <br>

during oral DMPS days (2 days on 5 days off schedule). He takes NCD - <br>

3 drops 3x/day on the 5 days when he is not taking DMPS. I am hoping <br>

this will keep the chelation efforts going. <br>

<br>

We do not have copper plumbing, do not use copper cookware and all <br>

supplements are copper free.<br>

<br>

Thanks for your help,<br>

<br>

<br>

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