Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I'm sure you've told us before, but what's his diet like? What was your yeast protocol? S S <p>Dear Andy and listmates.<br> <br> My son will be 9 in Feb and we have used your protocol to great <br> effect (DMSA & ALA) but have had to stop again as he has serious <br> inflammation and bacteria (staph which causes boils and citrobac) <br> ALSO has OAT fungal and yeast markers off the chart- nearly ALL of <br> them, very unusually elevated and pus in his recent stool sample <br> showing a lot of inflammation. We restarted one round of chelation <br> Cutler protocol and have had to stop again as 3 days after the round <br> his stomach issues really flared up and he has regressed <br> subsequently due to inflammation and gut issues. <br> <br> My DAN! has prescribed secretin and oxytocin nasal spray and td <br> glutathione to try and help his gut. We have ordered the porphoryn <br> test and hair anaylsis to see how things currently are- do not want <br> to do challenge tests again. I know you say continue to chelate but <br> it really is causing inflammation.<wbr>..I am keen to do it but is there <br> a td way that you would approve of? He regressed big style on DMPS, <br> even at your frequent dose schedule. Do you rate any of the <br> transdermals in this situation?<br> <br> Thanks very much<br> <br> Sue<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width= " 1 " style= " color: white; " ></span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--> </body> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <head> <style type= " text/css " > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;*font-size:small;*font:x-small;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;*font-size:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family: Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family: Arial; clear: both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 77%; margin: 0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding: 0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear: both; margin: 25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color: #666; text-align: right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float: left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family: Verdana; font-size: 77%; padding: 15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family: verdana; font-size: 77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; padding: 5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding: 2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size: 77%; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding: 0; margin: 2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type: none; clear: both; border: 1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight: bold; color: #ff7900; float: right; width: 2em; text-align:right; padding-right: .5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight: bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color: #999; font-size: 77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding: 6px 13px; background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding: 0 0 0 8px; margin: 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; font-size: 77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration: none; font-size: 130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color: #eee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding: 0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding: 8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; color: #628c2a; font-size: 100%; line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin: 0; } o {font-size: 0; } ..MsoNormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size: 120%; } blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4} --> </style> </head> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--> </html><!--End group email --> <p> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 > > Dear Andy and listmates. > > My son will be 9 in Feb and we have used your protocol to great > effect (DMSA & ALA) but have had to stop again as he has serious > inflammation and bacteria (staph which causes boils and citrobac) > ALSO has OAT fungal and yeast markers off the chart- nearly ALL of > them, very unusually elevated and pus in his recent stool sample > showing a lot of inflammation. We restarted one round of chelation > Cutler protocol and have had to stop again as 3 days after the round > his stomach issues really flared up and he has regressed > subsequently due to inflammation and gut issues. > > My DAN! has prescribed secretin and oxytocin nasal spray and td > glutathione to try and help his gut. Try seeing a real doctor instead. these are irrelevant. >We have ordered the porphoryn > test and hair anaylsis to see how things currently are- do not want > to do challenge tests again. I know you say continue to chelate but > it really is causing inflammation...I am keen to do it but is there > a td way that you would approve of? Adminster with the same frequency as if you were giving it by mouth. >He regressed big style on DMPS, > even at your frequent dose schedule. Do you rate any of the > transdermals in this situation? > > Thanks very much > > Sue You don't mention any of the effective dysbiosis control techniques like dietary restriction (e. g. specific carbohydrate diet), If nothing else, make really really really sure he is not getting any yellow dye #5. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 -Thanks for the reply. He is gfcf (8yrs) was scd 2 yrs but became allergic to what he was having as it was more restricted so he is still mainly scd but with some potates and brown rice now. He was completely sugar free for TWO years and no improvement, so I kjnow we cannot do anymore than we are re;diet. He is still suger free with a little honey occasionally. The " real doctors " are complicit in their ignorance of vaccines and this is what got him into this mess in the first place so I'll stick with my DAN! doc and your principles of chelation. I still cannot see how I can give chelation drugs orally to a child who has gut inlfammation enough to overrride all the gains to date and space him out totally. It is like fanning the flames of a fire. I am not exaggerating his gut symptoms as they are the biggest issue for a lot of other kids too. He is approaching being NT until the gut flares and then we are back to square one. I don't think TD pulls much but I don't think we have much choice at present. I may try ALA by itslef for a couple of rounds when his stomach situation resolves a bit and see if his gut copes with this agent better. What do you think? Many thanks Andy, Sue Lawson -- In , " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Andy and listmates. > > > > My son will be 9 in Feb and we have used your protocol to great > > effect (DMSA & ALA) but have had to stop again as he has serious > > inflammation and bacteria (staph which causes boils and citrobac) > > ALSO has OAT fungal and yeast markers off the chart- nearly ALL of > > them, very unusually elevated and pus in his recent stool sample > > showing a lot of inflammation. We restarted one round of chelation > > Cutler protocol and have had to stop again as 3 days after the round > > his stomach issues really flared up and he has regressed > > subsequently due to inflammation and gut issues. > > > > My DAN! has prescribed secretin and oxytocin nasal spray and td > > glutathione to try and help his gut. > > Try seeing a real doctor instead. these are irrelevant. > > >We have ordered the porphoryn > > test and hair anaylsis to see how things currently are- do not want > > to do challenge tests again. I know you say continue to chelate but > > it really is causing inflammation...I am keen to do it but is there > > a td way that you would approve of? > > Adminster with the same frequency as if you were giving it by mouth. > > >He regressed big style on DMPS, > > even at your frequent dose schedule. Do you rate any of the > > transdermals in this situation? > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Sue > > You don't mention any of the effective dysbiosis control techniques like dietary restriction > (e. g. specific carbohydrate diet), > > If nothing else, make really really really sure he is not getting any yellow dye #5. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Have you considered the High Dose Vit-A protocol ? Maybe some rounds of ALA and then the Vit-A protocol would help the gut to heal. Have you looked into LDN ? Good Luck ! Neil _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of sue_lwsn Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: [ ] Re: How can he resart chelation with bacteria and serious gut inflammation? Andy? -Thanks for the reply. He is gfcf (8yrs) was scd 2 yrs but became allergic to what he was having as it was more restricted so he is still mainly scd but with some potates and brown rice now. He was completely sugar free for TWO years and no improvement, so I kjnow we cannot do anymore than we are re;diet. He is still suger free with a little honey occasionally. The " real doctors " are complicit in their ignorance of vaccines and this is what got him into this mess in the first place so I'll stick with my DAN! doc and your principles of chelation. I still cannot see how I can give chelation drugs orally to a child who has gut inlfammation enough to overrride all the gains to date and space him out totally. It is like fanning the flames of a fire. I am not exaggerating his gut symptoms as they are the biggest issue for a lot of other kids too. He is approaching being NT until the gut flares and then we are back to square one. I don't think TD pulls much but I don't think we have much choice at present. I may try ALA by itslef for a couple of rounds when his stomach situation resolves a bit and see if his gut copes with this agent better. What do you think? Many thanks Andy, Sue Lawson -- In @ <mailto: %40> , " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Andy and listmates. > > > > My son will be 9 in Feb and we have used your protocol to great > > effect (DMSA & ALA) but have had to stop again as he has serious > > inflammation and bacteria (staph which causes boils and citrobac) > > ALSO has OAT fungal and yeast markers off the chart- nearly ALL of > > them, very unusually elevated and pus in his recent stool sample > > showing a lot of inflammation. We restarted one round of chelation > > Cutler protocol and have had to stop again as 3 days after the round > > his stomach issues really flared up and he has regressed > > subsequently due to inflammation and gut issues. > > > > My DAN! has prescribed secretin and oxytocin nasal spray and td > > glutathione to try and help his gut. > > Try seeing a real doctor instead. these are irrelevant. > > >We have ordered the porphoryn > > test and hair anaylsis to see how things currently are- do not want > > to do challenge tests again. I know you say continue to chelate but > > it really is causing inflammation...I am keen to do it but is there > > a td way that you would approve of? > > Adminster with the same frequency as if you were giving it by mouth. > > >He regressed big style on DMPS, > > even at your frequent dose schedule. Do you rate any of the > > transdermals in this situation? > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Sue > > You don't mention any of the effective dysbiosis control techniques like dietary restriction > (e. g. specific carbohydrate diet), > > If nothing else, make really really really sure he is not getting any yellow dye #5. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hi Neil, He was on LDN for 19mths but became allergic to something in it! Weeping sore patches wherever it was applied so we had to stop that. He did the HD Vit A in September so I am wondering when to repeat this. We have a HBOT chamber so we have upped his time in there too. Thanks for your reply- I hope things are going well for your family. Sue > > > > > > Dear Andy and listmates. > > > > > > My son will be 9 in Feb and we have used your protocol to great > > > effect (DMSA & ALA) but have had to stop again as he has serious > > > inflammation and bacteria (staph which causes boils and > citrobac) > > > ALSO has OAT fungal and yeast markers off the chart- nearly ALL > of > > > them, very unusually elevated and pus in his recent stool sample > > > showing a lot of inflammation. We restarted one round of > chelation > > > Cutler protocol and have had to stop again as 3 days after the > round > > > his stomach issues really flared up and he has regressed > > > subsequently due to inflammation and gut issues. > > > > > > My DAN! has prescribed secretin and oxytocin nasal spray and td > > > glutathione to try and help his gut. > > > > Try seeing a real doctor instead. these are irrelevant. > > > > >We have ordered the porphoryn > > > test and hair anaylsis to see how things currently are- do not > want > > > to do challenge tests again. I know you say continue to chelate > but > > > it really is causing inflammation...I am keen to do it but is > there > > > a td way that you would approve of? > > > > Adminster with the same frequency as if you were giving it by > mouth. > > > > >He regressed big style on DMPS, > > > even at your frequent dose schedule. Do you rate any of the > > > transdermals in this situation? > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > > > > Sue > > > > You don't mention any of the effective dysbiosis control > techniques like dietary restriction > > (e. g. specific carbohydrate diet), > > > > If nothing else, make really really really sure he is not getting > any yellow dye #5. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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