Re: Toilet Training help

[Guest guest]

We tried this method with our daughter and it did NOT work - she was so

stubborn. I think ABA supervisors are stuck in their ways and sometimes obsesses

with their " methods " . Finally, after a " Potty Party " weekend, where she sat

there almost 8 hours (with videos, snacks, etc) , I said ENOUGH! This is

abusive! I just potty trained her the same way I did my older daughter, taking

her into the bathroom every 10 minutes (just for a short while) to see if she

had to go. It only took about 2 weeks. Simple. Hope this helps! My daughter was

nonverbal and pretty low functioning at that time, by the way, she was 5 years

old.

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From: " email_great " <email_great@...>

We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA supervisor

used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits on

the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and gets

a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs before he

pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost the

whole day and we're all exhausted.

Our ABA supervisor thinks we should continue with the intense schedule

until the 'potty on' times start shrinking.

Any thoughts or suggestions GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks,

Satya

[Guest guest]

Satya,

I tried this for my son when he was 4. I had the super toy in the clear

container waiting for him as a reinforcer, and it was not successful. It was

just torture for us both. And as a trained behavior therapist I thought that the

whole potty party would work. So I tried a different approach. No pull-ups, no

comfy diaper. I bought the cheapest disposable diapers possible at the grocery

store. They did not have a comfy pull to the center lining and the elastic legs

and top were noisy. If he peed it got cold fast and the crumply noise around his

legs was annoying him. By the end of the day he was changing his own diaper.

They were on backwards. but changed. He hated those things. By the end of the

second day he was in shorts and peeing in the toilet. No more diapers for him

after that ever. He told me so. I have had friends also used this approach with

success. But it really depends on body function awareness. Sometimes a child

does not have the body awareness to be potty

trained until they are older. I just don't see torturing a child when waiting

even just a few more months might work.

hth.

Kathleen

The world is not yet exhausted; let me see something tomorrow which I never saw

before.

-

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[ ] Toilet Training help

We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA supervisor

used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits on

the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and gets

a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs before he

pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost the

whole day and we're all exhausted.

Our ABA supervisor thinks we should continue with the intense schedule

until the 'potty on' times start shrinking.

Any thoughts or suggestions GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks,

Satya

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[Guest guest]

We started with a potty chart that has the hours from when my son

wakes up everyday until when he goes to bed. It has the times listed

in 30 min increments. For the first 2 weeks I marked every time he

would pee or poop in his diaper, or in the toilet on the chart. That

way I could get an idea of when it's normally going to happen. Now I

take him to the potty about 10-15 min earlier than the average time

listed on the chart. He does occasionally prompt me now too. I've only

been doing this for about 3 1/2 weeks, but it really seems to make

things easier since I know the average times he goes. Maybe something

like this will help you.

Good luck!

Beth

>

> We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA supervisor

> used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits on

> the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and gets

> a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs before he

> pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost the

> whole day and we're all exhausted.

>

> Our ABA supervisor thinks we should continue with the intense schedule

> until the 'potty on' times start shrinking.

>

> Any thoughts or suggestions GREATLY appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

> Satya

>

[Guest guest]

I used the techniques to train my then 7yr old autistic boy, in the

book " Toilet Training in Less than a Day " by Azrin and Foxx. I also

believe that there is a similar book for children with special

needs. It worked for me. Good luck.

> >

> > We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA

supervisor

> > used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits

on

> > the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and

gets

> > a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs

before he

> > pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost

the

> > whole day and we're all exhausted.

> >

> > Our ABA supervisor thinks we should continue with the intense

schedule

> > until the 'potty on' times start shrinking.

> >

> > Any thoughts or suggestions GREATLY appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Satya

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We have lots of experience with potty training issues. My son is 5 and still not

fully potty-trained. He can hold it in for hours and will do it when he sits on

the toilet. However, he will not always indicate when he has to go.

I can tell you what worked and did not work for my son.

A child needs certain " basic " abilities before he/she can be potty trained.

For example, a sense of awareness/irritation when peeing. Without this

prerequisite, a child is not ready for potty training. Trying to train them is

then an act of futility. Hence, I do not agree with your ABA person.

My son had the same issues. After 6 months of chelation, vitamins, fish oil

and high testosterone treatment, my boy moved up the ladder and we are now able

to train him.

This tells me that learning ability improves when the heavy metals comes out.

---at least in my boys case. --

Suggest you read the following book :

TOILET TRAINING FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH AUTISM AND RELATED DISORDERS

by Wheeler

I found the book to be the best on the topic.

Regards,

Abid

<my0hface@...> wrote:

We started with a potty chart that has the hours from when my son

wakes up everyday until when he goes to bed. It has the times listed

in 30 min increments. For the first 2 weeks I marked every time he

would pee or poop in his diaper, or in the toilet on the chart. That

way I could get an idea of when it's normally going to happen. Now I

take him to the potty about 10-15 min earlier than the average time

listed on the chart. He does occasionally prompt me now too. I've only

been doing this for about 3 1/2 weeks, but it really seems to make

things easier since I know the average times he goes. Maybe something

like this will help you.

Good luck!

Beth

>

> We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA supervisor

> used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits on

> the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and gets

> a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs before he

> pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost the

> whole day and we're all exhausted.

>

> Our ABA supervisor thinks we should continue with the intense schedule

> until the 'potty on' times start shrinking.

>

> Any thoughts or suggestions GREATLY appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

> Satya

>

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[Guest guest]

As someone else mentioned, observe and chart for a few days or a week to get an

idea of when he normally goes. When you do have him sit on the potty, try

running some water in the sink or tub. The sound of water causes many people to

need to go. A nursing home I worked in thought it would be relaxing to have a

decorative fountain in the dining area. Many of the residents took quite a

while to walk to the dining area only to discover that when they got there the

sound of the fountain caused them to need to go.

S S

<p>We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA

supervisor <br>

used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits on <br>

the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and gets <br>

a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs before he <br>

pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost the <br>

whole day and we're all exhausted.<br>

<br>

Our ABA supervisor thinks we should continue with the intense schedule <br>

until the 'potty on' times start shrinking.<br>

<br>

Any thoughts or suggestions GREATLY appreciated.<br>

<br>

Thanks,<br>

Satya<br>

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[Guest guest]

>

> We started potty training our son today. He's 4. The ABA supervisor

> used the Lovaas approach - diaper and pant free all day, he sits on

> the potty until he pees, then he is rewarded with a popsicle and gets

> a 1/2 an hour break. Problem is he sits for 1 hr to 1.5 hrs before he

> pees each time. So, basically, he's been on the potty almost the

> whole day and we're all exhausted.

My was was very low functioning and basically non-verbal when I

started potty training him. He was also age 6 [my relatively-NT kids

trained at age 4, my two more-affected kids trained at age 6]. I

waited for a sign he was ready, which occurred when I noticed that

every time I put him in the bathtub for his evening bath, he would pee

in the drain hole of the tub.

I put #2 in regular underwear, and took him to the potty every 45-60

minutes for probably two weeks. After that time, I extended the time

to 90 minutes for a few weeks. Then two hours. It took a few months,

but this worked.

I wrote more about exactly what I did here

http://www.danasview.net/abadrill.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

For pee training, I took my son to the bathroom often, like every 15 minutes.

For poop training at age 4, I got this method from my mother in law. I told him

from now on when he pooped in his pants he was going to have to clean himself

up. The next time he pooped his pants, I guided him to take his underwear off

and to throw the chunky parts into the toilet and flush. This kind of made a

smearing mess of poo down his legs. I helped him in the tub. He took off his

messy clothes in the tub. I gave him a wet washcloth and asked him to wipe

himself and wipe his legs off. He was shocked, He cried, he hated it. We ran the

water. It made quite a mess. He didn't like to touch poop or smear it or to

try to clean it up (for a child who would enjoy smearing poop...this method

probably wouldn't work), but for our son the thought of cleaning up his own poop

that was everywhere was discusting. When he got some on his finger, he wailed

and cried so hard. It was just enough for it to be a totally gross experience

for him. After he had run water on himself and he had " sort of " got himself

cleaned up, I helped him finish off getting cleaned off and dressed and he went

off to play. I cleaned up the tub mess which was a large mess left behind and

the clothes mess. The entire tub had to be scrubbed afterwards..it was an

ordeal.

We did this another time....and he never pooped his pants again. This method

was so gross though, if it didn't work within a few times, I don't know how much

longer I would try.

[Guest guest]

We did something similar, when he would go in his pants he needed a shower

right away.

We set the water temperature to be just barely comfortable, on the very cool

side (He loves HOT showers).

It didn't take too long for him to suggest using the toilet.

Good Luck !

Neil

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Axe

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:52 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Toilet Training help

For pee training, I took my son to the bathroom often, like every 15

minutes.

For poop training at age 4, I got this method from my mother in law. I told

him from now on when he pooped in his pants he was going to have to clean

himself up. The next time he pooped his pants, I guided him to take his

underwear off and to throw the chunky parts into the toilet and flush. This

kind of made a smearing mess of poo down his legs. I helped him in the tub.

He took off his messy clothes in the tub. I gave him a wet washcloth and

asked him to wipe himself and wipe his legs off. He was shocked, He cried,

he hated it. We ran the water. It made quite a mess. He didn't like to touch

poop or smear it or to try to clean it up (for a child who would enjoy

smearing poop...this method probably wouldn't work), but for our son the

thought of cleaning up his own poop that was everywhere was discusting. When

he got some on his finger, he wailed and cried so hard. It was just enough

for it to be a totally gross experience for him. After he had run water on

himself and he had " sort of " got himself cleaned up, I helped him finish off

getting cleaned off and dressed and he went off to play. I cleaned up the

tub mess which was a large mess left behind and the clothes mess. The entire

tub had to be scrubbed afterwards..it was an ordeal.

We did this another time....and he never pooped his pants again. This method

was so gross though, if it didn't work within a few times, I don't know how

much longer I would try.

[Guest guest]

Neil,

Cold shower -- excellent idea!!!

My boy is getting trained. When he poops and we need to shower him, he loves

it. Loves a nice, warm bath. Now that I think about it -- we are rewarding him

for pooping.

Thanks for the idea!

Neil Willet <thecomputershop@...> wrote:

We did something similar, when he would go in his pants he needed a

shower

right away.

We set the water temperature to be just barely comfortable, on the very cool

side (He loves HOT showers).

It didn't take too long for him to suggest using the toilet.

Good Luck !

Neil

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Axe

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:52 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Toilet Training help

For pee training, I took my son to the bathroom often, like every 15

minutes.

For poop training at age 4, I got this method from my mother in law. I told

him from now on when he pooped in his pants he was going to have to clean

himself up. The next time he pooped his pants, I guided him to take his

underwear off and to throw the chunky parts into the toilet and flush. This

kind of made a smearing mess of poo down his legs. I helped him in the tub.

He took off his messy clothes in the tub. I gave him a wet washcloth and

asked him to wipe himself and wipe his legs off. He was shocked, He cried,

he hated it. We ran the water. It made quite a mess. He didn't like to touch

poop or smear it or to try to clean it up (for a child who would enjoy

smearing poop...this method probably wouldn't work), but for our son the

thought of cleaning up his own poop that was everywhere was discusting. When

he got some on his finger, he wailed and cried so hard. It was just enough

for it to be a totally gross experience for him. After he had run water on

himself and he had " sort of " got himself cleaned up, I helped him finish off

getting cleaned off and dressed and he went off to play. I cleaned up the

tub mess which was a large mess left behind and the clothes mess. The entire

tub had to be scrubbed afterwards..it was an ordeal.

We did this another time....and he never pooped his pants again. This method

was so gross though, if it didn't work within a few times, I don't know how

much longer I would try.

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for all the replies to my post!

We started the timer approach since yesterday (5 minutes on & 20

minutes off). Everytime he pees, it's after he gets off the seat.

Looks like he is made up his mind not to pee in the potty. We haven't

had any successes so far. I think one success might trigger more,

however we are struggling to have the first one. Any input would be

greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

Satya

[Guest guest]

have you tried the " shoot down Cheerios in the potty " trick? Throw a few

cheerios in there and see if he'll get excited about trying to sink them.

-Jenna

[ ] Re: Toilet Training help

Thank you very much for all the replies to my post!

We started the timer approach since yesterday (5 minutes on & 20

minutes off). Everytime he pees, it's after he gets off the seat.

Looks like he is made up his mind not to pee in the potty. We haven't

had any successes so far. I think one success might trigger more,

however we are struggling to have the first one. Any input would be

greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

Satya

[Guest guest]

I can tell you what helped us, but we trained our boy in the summer.

We would take him outside and pee on everything we could spot. Trees,

shrubs, leaves, rocks, bugs, we made it fun to pee on command.

When we thought he had enough stored up we would go " Hey ! Let's go pee on

the XXXXXX and hustle him outside for some good peeing fun " .

We then graduated to peeing on fun stuff in the toilet, cheerios, fruit

loops were a big hit because they leach out colors. The better his aim the

more we would cheer.

Sometimes we would put a little dish soap into the toilet and make bubbles.

After a while, the peeing game got old, but the habit of going in the toilet

remained.

Good Luck !

Neil

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of email_great

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Toilet Training help

Thank you very much for all the replies to my post!

We started the timer approach since yesterday (5 minutes on & 20

minutes off). Everytime he pees, it's after he gets off the seat.

Looks like he is made up his mind not to pee in the potty. We haven't

had any successes so far. I think one success might trigger more,

however we are struggling to have the first one. Any input would be

greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

Satya

[Guest guest]

Great ideas!

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Neil Willet

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:44 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Toilet Training help

I can tell you what helped us, but we trained our boy in the summer.

We would take him outside and pee on everything we could spot. Trees,

shrubs, leaves, rocks, bugs, we made it fun to pee on command.

When we thought he had enough stored up we would go " Hey ! Let's go pee on

the XXXXXX and hustle him outside for some good peeing fun " .

We then graduated to peeing on fun stuff in the toilet, cheerios, fruit

loops were a big hit because they leach out colors. The better his aim the

more we would cheer.

Sometimes we would put a little dish soap into the toilet and make bubbles.

After a while, the peeing game got old, but the habit of going in the toilet

remained.

Good Luck !

Neil

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[mailto: @

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On Behalf Of email_great

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:29 PM

@ <mailto: %40>

Subject: [ ] Re: Toilet Training help

Thank you very much for all the replies to my post!

We started the timer approach since yesterday (5 minutes on & 20

minutes off). Everytime he pees, it's after he gets off the seat.

Looks like he is made up his mind not to pee in the potty. We haven't

had any successes so far. I think one success might trigger more,

however we are struggling to have the first one. Any input would be

greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

Satya

[Guest guest]

OMG! That is too funny. Of course now that the season has changed,

there's a perfect example why you shouldn't eat the yellow snow!!!!

-Trish

>

> I can tell you what helped us, but we trained our boy in the

summer.

>

> We would take him outside and pee on everything we could spot.

Trees,

> shrubs, leaves, rocks, bugs, we made it fun to pee on command.

>

> When we thought he had enough stored up we would go " Hey ! Let's

go pee on

> the XXXXXX and hustle him outside for some good peeing fun " .

>

> We then graduated to peeing on fun stuff in the toilet, cheerios,

fruit

> loops were a big hit because they leach out colors. The better

his aim the

> more we would cheer.

>

> Sometimes we would put a little dish soap into the toilet and make

bubbles.

>

> After a while, the peeing game got old, but the habit of going in

the toilet

> remained.

>

> Good Luck !

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of email_great

> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:29 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Toilet Training help

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for all the replies to my post!

>

> We started the timer approach since yesterday (5 minutes on & 20

> minutes off). Everytime he pees, it's after he gets off the seat.

> Looks like he is made up his mind not to pee in the potty. We

haven't

> had any successes so far. I think one success might trigger more,

> however we are struggling to have the first one. Any input would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

> Satya

>

>

>

>

>

>