Guest guest Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 > > I thank you all for the discussion and I think I got a pretty good > idea what you are thinking. Anyway I think in yaskos protocol I would > have to stop cheliation and start with step 1 supps. However DS does > really well with Cutlers protocol and we are seing nice gains . If it's working, Stick With It. > However. iam not sure if DS is dumping metals out because he is on a > huge amount off supps as well. If he's improving, that's enough to know. There isn;t really a good way to measure what's being excreted, but changes in health and behavior are good indications. > I do like a lot of Amys protocol, I really like to try some > things but it seems like a pretty unflexible protocol regarding steps > and chelaition. Is chelation not allowed on her protocol? I bet people are doing both. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 I would love to know this too: is there any way to combine the Yasko and Cutler protocols, or would you just end up with a big mess? René > > > I do like a lot of Amys protocol, I really like to try some > > things but it seems like a pretty unflexible protocol regarding steps > > and chelaition. > > Is chelation not allowed on her protocol? I bet people are doing both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 In a message dated 10/08/2006 03:53:46 GMT Daylight Time, lanellici@... writes: > I do like a lot of Amys protocol, I really like to try some > things but it seems like a pretty unflexible protocol regarding steps > and chelaition. Is chelation not allowed on her protocol? I bet people are doing both. >>>Chelation I think is the last step - she concentrates on getting the detox systems working effectively. My mate has chelated all ways in AC over the years with little in the way of dumps (on testing) and sustained improvements, her kid is dumping more Hg and Aluminium on no chelating that she ever has tested with chelation. Still working on the sustained part of improvements but she is moving in the right direction. This is phase 1 of the protocol.... Mandi x who is about to start learnign but really has no clue right now LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 > My mate has chelated all ways in AC over the years with little in the way of > dumps (on testing) and sustained improvements, her kid is dumping more Hg and > Aluminium on no chelating that she ever has tested with chelation. Still > working on the sustained part of improvements but she is moving in the right > direction. Do you mean the testing is looking great but clinical results so far are so-so? So we've been doing trial and error trying to work out how to get our kids' systems working again -- i.e. which methylator, if any; which oil, if any, etc. And what Yasko is doing is trying to assess beforehand by looking at known genetic indications which supps might be successful at getting particular pathways to work again? Have I got that right, Yasko people? My understanding is that the biggest reason that at least some of these pathways aren't working is that Hg is squatting in the middle of them. Does Yasko think differently, or have a way to circumvent that? Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Which chelators are sulfur-based? Is there any other way (other than genetic tests and such Yasko calls for) to detect sulfur handling? > > Every child on the spectrum responds differently to the DAN! most > popular therapies (Methyl-B12, chelation, yeast killers, etc.) And > if you see that your child is not responding, that is where Yasko's > approach is an alternative to figuring out what to do to boost the > recovery process. > > My son did not respond to Methyl-B12. As a matter of fact, he would > start talking very nicely and 3 days later regressed every time I > administered it and lost language. I learned about Yasko in Jan06. > In February I had already viewed all her DVDs and sent in the > genetic test with GAR option. When I received the results, it was > challenging trying to figure out where all the pieces fit. When I > received her GAR, I noticed that what I had figured out concurred > with Yasko. I started adding the supplements that she had hand- > written on my son's results and it has been miraculous. He has 2 > mutations that call for extra Methly B12 (MTRR), yet he has another > one (CBS) that causes ammonia to elevate greatly if Methly-B12 is > administered. I started giving him Yasko's suggested supplements > about 2 months ago. This week he started speaking in more > conversational language. I could write a long note about the > improvements, but what I want to say is that you don't need to start > from scratch, just be careful and understand that if you are using a > sulfur based chelator and your child has a mutation that prevents > the body from getting rid of that extra sulfur, he/she is going to > regress, etc. > > I hope I make sense. It is really worthwhile. It is very hard to > understand at the beginning, but it makes a world of sense once you > figure it out. I am doing DAN and Yasko with outstanding results > now. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 , All the chelators are sulfur-based. There are blood tests to measure sulfur. There is also another way to test, with food, is things like eggs or onions or broccoli or milk make you or your child feel worse your sulfur is probably high. If not, probably not. Good question. [ ] Re: Was Amy yasko, now I have a question Which chelators are sulfur-based? Is there any other way (other than genetic tests and such Yasko calls for) to detect sulfur handling? > > Every child on the spectrum responds differently to the DAN! most > popular therapies (Methyl-B12, chelation, yeast killers, etc.) And > if you see that your child is not responding, that is where Yasko's > approach is an alternative to figuring out what to do to boost the > recovery process. > > My son did not respond to Methyl-B12. As a matter of fact, he would > start talking very nicely and 3 days later regressed every time I > administered it and lost language. I learned about Yasko in Jan06. > In February I had already viewed all her DVDs and sent in the > genetic test with GAR option. When I received the results, it was > challenging trying to figure out where all the pieces fit. When I > received her GAR, I noticed that what I had figured out concurred > with Yasko. I started adding the supplements that she had hand- > written on my son's results and it has been miraculous. He has 2 > mutations that call for extra Methly B12 (MTRR), yet he has another > one (CBS) that causes ammonia to elevate greatly if Methly-B12 is > administered. I started giving him Yasko's suggested supplements > about 2 months ago. This week he started speaking in more > conversational language. I could write a long note about the > improvements, but what I want to say is that you don't need to start > from scratch, just be careful and understand that if you are using a > sulfur based chelator and your child has a mutation that prevents > the body from getting rid of that extra sulfur, he/she is going to > regress, etc. > > I hope I make sense. It is really worthwhile. It is very hard to > understand at the beginning, but it makes a world of sense once you > figure it out. I am doing DAN and Yasko with outstanding results > now. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 > , > > All the chelators are sulfur-based. There are blood tests to measure sulfur. There is also another way to test, with food, is things like eggs or onions or broccoli or milk make you or your child feel worse your sulfur is probably high. If not, probably not. > > Good question. > > Garlic! My ds loves garlic and eats tons of it. I love garlic too but if I eat more than a little I feel sick. My BIL can't even smell garlic without feeling sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 If you want to test for sulphur, the test you need is plasma cysteine (and maybe plasma sulfate too, not sure) from Genova Diagnostics (formerly Great Smokies Labs). It's part of the detoxification profile, but I believe it can be ordered seperately. If need be, it can be ordered without a doctor's help at www.directlabs.com. If plasma cysteine is elevated, Andy says to avoid sulphur foods like the plague. There is a good list of sulphur foods in his book Amalgam Illness, and you can also get a good idea of them if you put the search terms " sulfur foods " (or similar) and " andrewhallcutler " into Onibasu's search engine. http://www.gdx.net/home/assessments/detox/appguide/index.html take care René > > > > , > > > > All the chelators are sulfur-based. There are blood tests to measure > sulfur. There is also another way to test, with food, is things like > eggs or onions or broccoli or milk make you or your child feel worse > your sulfur is probably high. If not, probably not. > > > > Good question. > > > > > > Garlic! My ds loves garlic and eats tons of it. I love garlic too > but if I eat more than a little I feel sick. My BIL can't even smell > garlic without feeling sick. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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