Re: the best form of vitamin C

October 16, 2006

>

> dear all,

>

> i heard that ascorbic acid is not the best form of vit c. those

> extracted from fruit are much better instead.

>

> i would like to know which form is better.

>

> thx.

>

It should make no difference. See

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/NaturalC.pdf

Don't waste money on the much more expensive Ester-C.

If the acidity of ascorbic acid is not preferred, acorbates may be

seleced. Many people use baking soda + ascorbic acid to make their own

Sodium ascorbate.

October 16, 2006

C is pretty much C. As long as you choose a supplement that is natural

and does not have anything funny added to it. We use ascorbic acid,

which works great.

>

> dear all,

>

> i heard that ascorbic acid is not the best form of vit c. those

> extracted from fruit are much better instead.

>

> i would like to know which form is better.

>

> thx.

>

October 16, 2006

Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C contrary to popular opinion. Ascorbic acid is

an isolate, a fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In

addition to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor

K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components. Please

read the link below to understand why Vitamin C must come from a whole food

source, otherwise it is useless. Roe

http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/whole_food_vitamins.php

~ Roe

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October 16, 2006

>

> Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C

It is according to the Merck Index.

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/print/sec12/ch154/ch154l.html

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ascorbic%20acid

>contrary to popular opinion. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a

fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition

to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor

K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components.

Please read the link below to understand why Vitamin C must come from

a whole food source, otherwise it is useless.

Are you saying that ascorbic acid is not an an antioxidant? Try

putting some pure ascorbic acid powder on an apple slice, and leave

another apple slice open to the air. How come the one open to the air

turns brown and the one with ascorbic acid doesn't?

Sure, in whole foods ingredients come in whole packages with all sorts

of useful things that interact and work together. When we supplement

with ascorbic acid we are adding extra antioxidant power (and we need

lots) and assuming that people are still eating whole foods too for

all those extra components.

J

Roe

>

http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/whole_food_vitamins.php

>

> ~ Roe

>

> v | The greatest gift one can give is the gift of health! v |

>

> U U U U U U

>

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October 17, 2006

The debate about whether ascorbic acid is vitamin C is made up by the

purveyors of whole food supplements. Vitamin C and Ascorbic Acid are one

and the same. But having said that is a whole food supplement with

ascorbic acid, bioflavanoids and the other co-factors better? The answer is

mostly yes except the cost goes up proportionally. The comment that

" Vitamin C must come from a whole food source, otherwise it is useless " is

blatantly wrong.

Mark Schauss

www.MarkSchauss.com

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lindajaytee

Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:27 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: the best form of vitamin C

>

> Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C

It is according to the Merck Index.

http://www.merck. <http://www.merck.com/mmhe/print/sec12/ch154/ch154l.html>

com/mmhe/print/sec12/ch154/ch154l.html

http://dictionary. <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ascorbic%20acid>

reference.com/browse/ascorbic%20acid

>contrary to popular opinion. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a

fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition

to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor

K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components.

Please read the link below to understand why Vitamin C must come from

a whole food source, otherwise it is useless.

Are you saying that ascorbic acid is not an an antioxidant? Try

putting some pure ascorbic acid powder on an apple slice, and leave

another apple slice open to the air. How come the one open to the air

turns brown and the one with ascorbic acid doesn't?

Sure, in whole foods ingredients come in whole packages with all sorts

of useful things that interact and work together. When we supplement

with ascorbic acid we are adding extra antioxidant power (and we need

lots) and assuming that people are still eating whole foods too for

all those extra components.

J

Roe

>

http://thedoctorwit

<http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/whole_food_vitamins.p

hp> hin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/whole_food_vitamins.php

>

> ~ Roe

>

> v | The greatest gift one can give is the gift of health! v |

>

> U U U U U U

>

> ~ God is GOOD and Jesus is coming! ~

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October 17, 2006

Are you saying that ascorbic acid is not an an antioxidant?

No what I am saying is that ascorbic acid is NOT vitamin C. In order for you

to understand this, one must understand Chemistry. In Chemistry there are many

structures that are exactly the same, but can be different. One example that

comes to mind is an isomer. ( FROM Wikipedia : In chemistry, isomers are

molecules with the same chemical formula and often with the same kinds of bonds

between atoms, but in which the atoms are arranged differently. That is to say,

they have different structural formula. Many isomers share similar if not

identical properties in most chemical contexts. )

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomer)

Further, from Wikipedia Ascorbic acid is an organic acid with antioxidant

properties. Its appearance is white to light yellow crystals or powder. It is

water soluble. The L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid is commonly known as vitamin C.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid)

Vitamin C is a weak acid, called ascorbic acid or a salt ascorbate. It is the

L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid. The D-enantiomer shows no biological activity.

Both are mirror image forms of the same chemical molecular structure (see

optical isomers).

As stated, Ascorbic acid has antioxidan properties. What I am saying is that

one is wasting their money on pure ascorbic acid. Most of it is just passed

through the body in our urine. It is not absorbed and it is not natural. One

would be MUCH better off supplementing with a whole food antioxident and NOT

ascorbic acid. I know our DAN! Doctor tried to get us to take an expensive

powder of ascorbic acid, but I declined as I know too much chemistry to agree

with that school of thought.

Sorry, I don't mean to seem pedantic, but I think people REALLY need to be

informed and research these supplements and " theories " before jumping into

action. Because I have the background, I spend a lot of time researching

things.

The links that you have given are really an incorrect definition of Vitamin C,

but suitable for the general public. And by NO means am I disputing that we all

need lots of Vitamin C, but is should be naturally - NOT synthetic like ascorbic

acid.

Roe

PS. Try the same experiement with apple slices and PURE lemon juice (squeezed

from a lemon) and ascorbic acid powder...guess what the PURE lemon juice will

not turn brown even longer than the ascorbic acid powdered apple.

~ Roe

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U U U U U U

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October 17, 2006

Mark is absolutely right. The article posted on this board earlier was

totally inaccurate and misleading.

[ ] Re: the best form of vitamin C

>

> Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C

It is according to the Merck Index.

http://www.merck.

<http://www.merck.com/mmhe/print/sec12/ch154/ch154l.html>

com/mmhe/print/sec12/ch154/ch154l.html

http://dictionary.

<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ascorbic%20acid>

reference.com/browse/ascorbic%20acid

>contrary to popular opinion. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a

fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition

to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor

K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components.

Please read the link below to understand why Vitamin C must come from

a whole food source, otherwise it is useless.

Are you saying that ascorbic acid is not an an antioxidant? Try

putting some pure ascorbic acid powder on an apple slice, and leave

another apple slice open to the air. How come the one open to the air

turns brown and the one with ascorbic acid doesn't?

Sure, in whole foods ingredients come in whole packages with all sorts

of useful things that interact and work together. When we supplement

with ascorbic acid we are adding extra antioxidant power (and we need

lots) and assuming that people are still eating whole foods too for

all those extra components.

J

Roe

>

http://thedoctorwit

<http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/whole_food_vitamins.p

hp> hin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/whole_food_vitamins.php

>

> ~ Roe

>

> v | The greatest gift one can give is the gift of health! v |

>

> U U U U U U

>

> ~ God is GOOD and Jesus is coming! ~

>

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October 17, 2006

Ascorbic acid is Vitamin C. What you are describing is Vitamin C with

co-factors. None of the foods you mention have the same combination of

bioflavanoids or other co-factors. So if say a lemon does not have any

rutin in it does that mean it doesn't have any vitamin C? According to

scientists, chemists and biochemists alike, when a food contains ascorbic

acid it can be said to contain Vitamin C. There is no other definition

available. If it does not contain any bioflavonoids but contains ascorbic

acid it contains Vitamin C. If it only contains bioflavonoids but no

ascorbic acid, it is not Vitamin C.

Here are some links to further bolster my comments.

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=12420

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

If you look at that one you will see that the chemical name for Vitamin C is

ascorbic acid. Vitamin A on the other hand can be a retinoid which includes

retinol. C is different; it is and will always be synonymous with ascorbic

acid.

Mark Schauss

www.MarkSchauss.com

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Roe

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:23 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: the best form of vitamin C

Are you saying that ascorbic acid is not an an antioxidant?

No what I am saying is that ascorbic acid is NOT vitamin C. In order for you

to understand this, one must understand Chemistry. In Chemistry there are

many structures that are exactly the same, but can be different. One example

that comes to mind is an isomer. ( FROM Wikipedia : In chemistry, isomers

are molecules with the same chemical formula and often with the same kinds

of bonds between atoms, but in which the atoms are arranged differently.

That is to say, they have different structural formula. Many isomers share

similar if not identical properties in most chemical contexts. )

(http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomer> .org/wiki/Isomer)

Further, from Wikipedia Ascorbic acid is an organic acid with antioxidant

properties. Its appearance is white to light yellow crystals or powder. It

is water soluble. The L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid is commonly known as

vitamin C. (http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid>

..org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid)

Vitamin C is a weak acid, called ascorbic acid or a salt ascorbate. It is

the L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid. The D-enantiomer shows no biological

activity. Both are mirror image forms of the same chemical molecular

structure (see optical isomers).

As stated, Ascorbic acid has antioxidan properties. What I am saying is that

one is wasting their money on pure ascorbic acid. Most of it is just passed

through the body in our urine. It is not absorbed and it is not natural. One

would be MUCH better off supplementing with a whole food antioxident and NOT

ascorbic acid. I know our DAN! Doctor tried to get us to take an expensive

powder of ascorbic acid, but I declined as I know too much chemistry to

agree with that school of thought.

Sorry, I don't mean to seem pedantic, but I think people REALLY need to be

informed and research these supplements and " theories " before jumping into

action. Because I have the background, I spend a lot of time researching

things.

The links that you have given are really an incorrect definition of Vitamin

C, but suitable for the general public. And by NO means am I disputing that

we all need lots of Vitamin C, but is should be naturally - NOT synthetic

like ascorbic acid.

Roe

PS. Try the same experiement with apple slices and PURE lemon juice

(squeezed from a lemon) and ascorbic acid powder...guess what the PURE lemon

juice will not turn brown even longer than the ascorbic acid powdered apple.

~ Roe

v | The greatest gift one can give is the gift of health! v |

U U U U U U

~ God is GOOD and Jesus is coming! ~

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October 17, 2006

One can word it any way they want to, but the FACT remains that Vitamin

C is NOT ascorbic acid!

The L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid is commonly known as vitamin C.

What does that mean?

In chemistry <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry> , enantiomers are

stereoisomers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoisomer> that are

mirror images <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_image> of each

other. Much as a left and right hand

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality> are different but one is the

mirror image of the other, enantiomers are stereoisomers whose molecules

are nonsuperimposable mirror images of each other.

Enantiomers have, when present in a symmetric environment, identical

chemical and physical properties except for their ability to rotate

plane <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_%28mathematics%29> -polarized

light <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarized_light> by equal amounts

but in opposite directions.

Now you may be saying well that is the same thing! No it isn't there

have been factual events when one chemical is non-toxic, but it's isomer

is DEADLY. The FDA had problems with this in many drugs. You will

notice that some companies will create an isomer to get around the

patent issues and then in term patent their own isomer version.

Unless you can prove it to me through Chemisty that Vit C is ascorbic

acid, your arguments are nothing more than what politicians do to sway

the public into believing false and inaccurate propaganda. I am not

selling Vit C or ascorbic acid, I have nothing to gain from this, but I

AM informing the public of the TRUE chemistry. Do your own research,

look at the chemistry - NOT they hype. Do I need to further back up my

statements as accurate? I can go into the molecular structure if

needed....

Roe

>

> Ascorbic acid is Vitamin C. What you are describing is Vitamin C with

> co-factors. None of the foods you mention have the same combination of

> bioflavanoids or other co-factors. So if say a lemon does not have any

> rutin in it does that mean it doesn't have any vitamin C? According to

> scientists, chemists and biochemists alike, when a food contains

ascorbic

> acid it can be said to contain Vitamin C. There is no other definition

> available. If it does not contain any bioflavonoids but contains

ascorbic

> acid it contains Vitamin C. If it only contains bioflavonoids but no

> ascorbic acid, it is not Vitamin C.

>

> Here are some links to further bolster my comments.

>

> http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=12420

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

>

> If you look at that one you will see that the chemical name for

Vitamin C is

> ascorbic acid. Vitamin A on the other hand can be a retinoid which

includes

> retinol. C is different; it is and will always be synonymous with

ascorbic

> acid.

>

> Mark Schauss

>

> www.MarkSchauss.com

>

> _____

>

> From:

[mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Roe

> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:23 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: the best form of vitamin C

>

> Are you saying that ascorbic acid is not an an antioxidant?

>

> No what I am saying is that ascorbic acid is NOT vitamin C. In order

for you

> to understand this, one must understand Chemistry. In Chemistry there

are

> many structures that are exactly the same, but can be different. One

example

> that comes to mind is an isomer. ( FROM Wikipedia : In chemistry,

isomers

> are molecules with the same chemical formula and often with the same

kinds

> of bonds between atoms, but in which the atoms are arranged

differently.

> That is to say, they have different structural formula. Many isomers

share

> similar if not identical properties in most chemical contexts. )

> (http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomer>

..org/wiki/Isomer)

>

> Further, from Wikipedia Ascorbic acid is an organic acid with

antioxidant

> properties. Its appearance is white to light yellow crystals or

powder. It

> is water soluble. The L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid is commonly known

as

> vitamin C. (http://en.wikipedia

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid>

> .org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid)

>

> Vitamin C is a weak acid, called ascorbic acid or a salt ascorbate. It

is

> the L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid. The D-enantiomer shows no

biological

> activity. Both are mirror image forms of the same chemical molecular

> structure (see optical isomers).

>

> As stated, Ascorbic acid has antioxidan properties. What I am saying

is that

> one is wasting their money on pure ascorbic acid. Most of it is just

passed

> through the body in our urine. It is not absorbed and it is not

natural. One

> would be MUCH better off supplementing with a whole food antioxident

and NOT

> ascorbic acid. I know our DAN! Doctor tried to get us to take an

expensive

> powder of ascorbic acid, but I declined as I know too much chemistry

to

> agree with that school of thought.

>

> Sorry, I don't mean to seem pedantic, but I think people REALLY need

to be

> informed and research these supplements and " theories " before jumping

into

> action. Because I have the background, I spend a lot of time

researching

> things.

>

> The links that you have given are really an incorrect definition of

Vitamin

> C, but suitable for the general public. And by NO means am I disputing

that

> we all need lots of Vitamin C, but is should be naturally - NOT

synthetic

> like ascorbic acid.

>

> Roe

>

> PS. Try the same experiement with apple slices and PURE lemon juice

> (squeezed from a lemon) and ascorbic acid powder...guess what the PURE

lemon

> juice will not turn brown even longer than the ascorbic acid powdered

apple.

>

> ~ Roe

October 17, 2006

Obviously nothing I can say, regardless of the scientific backup will sway

your point of view. So everyone can make up their own mind from here.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Roe

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:11 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: the best form of vitamin C

One can word it any way they want to, but the FACT remains that Vitamin

C is NOT ascorbic acid!

The L-enantiomer of ascorbic acid is commonly known as vitamin C.

What does that mean?

In chemistry <http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry>

..org/wiki/Chemistry> , enantiomers are

stereoisomers <http://en.wikipedia

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoisomer> .org/wiki/Stereoisomer> that are

mirror images <http://en.wikipedia

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_image> .org/wiki/Mirror_image> of each

other. Much as a left and right hand

<http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality>

..org/wiki/Chirality> are different but one is the

mirror image of the other, enantiomers are stereoisomers whose molecules

are nonsuperimposable mirror images of each other.

Enantiomers have, when present in a symmetric environment, identical

chemical and physical properties except for their ability to rotate

plane <http://en.wikipedia

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_%28mathematics%29>

..org/wiki/Plane_%28mathematics%29> -polarized

light <http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarized_light>

..org/wiki/Polarized_light> by equal amounts