Stimming like mad, suspecting 2 supplements any suggestions?

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My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally stimmy,

howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over. Its driving me

totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12 shots

and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on because we

suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him off it long

enough for us to see a difference without.

My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced Glutathione

cream from Kirkmans.

Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of these or should

I look elsewhere?

We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his other yeast

issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for bacterial

and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may not be good

either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT his good yeast

was very low.

Any suggestions other than earplugs??

thanks

Kerrie

[Guest guest]

My daughter's stims always return with b12. I don't use glutathione, but I know

someone who's son who never really flapped became a crazy flapper after the

glutathione started. She only did a few doses and the flapping went on for

weeks. I'd get rid of them one at a time, and even the folinic, just to see what

happens.

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From: ratlenhum@...

My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally stimmy,

howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over. Its driving me

totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12 shots

and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on because we

suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him off it long

enough for us to see a difference without.

My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced Glutathione

cream from Kirkmans.

Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of these or should

I look elsewhere?

We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his other yeast

issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for bacterial

and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may not be good

either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT his good yeast

was very low.

Any suggestions other than earplugs??

thanks

Kerrie

[Guest guest]

Kerrie,

Did you happen to start every other day shots you had been considering?

Glutathione had Jake getting hyper and grinding his teeth for a

while...........It stopped after a few weeks

B.

Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006

I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

Re: [ ] Stimming like mad, suspecting 2 supplements any

suggestions?

My daughter's stims always return with b12. I don't use glutathione, but I

know someone who's son who never really flapped became a crazy flapper after the

glutathione started. She only did a few doses and the flapping went on for

weeks. I'd get rid of them one at a time, and even the folinic, just to see what

happens.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: ratlenhum@...

My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally stimmy,

howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over. Its driving

me

totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12 shots

and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on because we

suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him off it long

enough for us to see a difference without.

My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced Glutathione

cream from Kirkmans.

Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of these or should

I look elsewhere?

We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his other yeast

issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for bacterial

and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may not be good

either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT his good yeast

was very low.

Any suggestions other than earplugs??

thanks

Kerrie

[Guest guest]

Some have problems with glutathione because they don't need it. Consider

discontinuing it to see what happens.

S S

<p>My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very

verbally stimmy, <br>

howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessss<wbr>ssssssssss " over and over. Its

driving me <br>

totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12 shots <br>

and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on because we

<br>

suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him off it long

<br>

enough for us to see a difference without.<br>

<br>

My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced Glutathione

<br>

cream from Kirkmans.<br>

<br>

Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of these or should

<br>

I look elsewhere?<br>

<br>

We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his other yeast

<br>

issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for bacterial <br>

and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may not be good

<br>

either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT his good yeast <br>

was very low.<br>

<br>

Any suggestions other than earplugs??<br>

<br>

thanks<br>

Kerrie<br>

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---My 15 year old son was howling alot and also started " slipping

away " further. I noticed this after he had to have a tooth surgically

removed because the roots were twisted. His autism doc asked if he had

Nitric Oxide(laughing gas) As I recall he did have this along with an

" amnesia " drug through an IV. He also got Nitric Oxide several times

since 2002 which is when I began noticing regression, increased

OCD,stimming, etc. He prescribed vancomycin for clostridia also,

because has a history of Gut bugs, also Diflucan for Yeast, which

he has always had a problem with.

The Nitric Oxide causes OXIDATIVE STRESS. The plan is HBOT to

oxygenate the cells, and possibly Glutathione to help detox.

has been on the Vanco and Diflucan(added activated charcoal for

detox symptoms) for 2 weeks and I see much improvement. He is

returning to where he was a couple of years agao.

Lindy

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In , ratlenhum@... wrote:

>

> My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally

stimmy,

> howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over.

Its driving me

> totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12

shots

> and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on

because we

> suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him

off it long

> enough for us to see a difference without.

>

> My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced

Glutathione

> cream from Kirkmans.

>

> Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of these

or should

> I look elsewhere?

>

> We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his

other yeast

> issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for

bacterial

> and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may

not be good

> either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT his

good yeast

> was very low.

>

> Any suggestions other than earplugs??

>

> thanks

> Kerrie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It could be either the folinic or the glutahione. Both have produced

similar results for us.

Discontinue both and throw away the glutathione cream. it is very

common even for kids who need extra glutathione to do badly on this.

If you want to try glutahtione again, try lipoceutical glutathione

from the Wellness Pharmacy or similar outlet. It seem to be much less

problematic

Good luck

Steve

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: ratlenhum@...

> My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally

stimmy,

> howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over.

Its driving me

> totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing

MB12 shots

> and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on

because we

> suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him

off it long

> enough for us to see a difference without.

>

> My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced

Glutathione

> cream from Kirkmans.

>

> Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of

these or should

> I look elsewhere?

>

> We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his

other yeast

> issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for

bacterial

> and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may

not be good

> either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT his

good yeast

> was very low.

>

> Any suggestions other than earplugs??

>

> thanks

> Kerrie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could his yelling be a sign of good things to come? Maybe he is

detoxing and feeling raunchy right now.

>

> It could be either the folinic or the glutahione. Both have

produced

> similar results for us.

>

> Discontinue both and throw away the glutathione cream. it is very

> common even for kids who need extra glutathione to do badly on

this.

> If you want to try glutahtione again, try lipoceutical glutathione

> from the Wellness Pharmacy or similar outlet. It seem to be much

less

> problematic

>

> Good luck

>

> Steve

>

> > -------------- Original message --------------

> > From: ratlenhum@

> > My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very

verbally

> stimmy,

> > howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and

over.

> Its driving me

> > totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing

> MB12 shots

> > and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and

on

> because we

> > suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken

him

> off it long

> > enough for us to see a difference without.

> >

> > My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the

Reduced

> Glutathione

> > cream from Kirkmans.

> >

> > Has anyone seen this with either product? Could it be one of

> these or should

> > I look elsewhere?

> >

> > We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of

his

> other yeast

> > issues. He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl

for

> bacterial

> > and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics

may

> not be good

> > either. We increased his probiotics because on his last MOAT

his

> good yeast

> > was very low.

> >

> > Any suggestions other than earplugs??

> >

> > thanks

> > Kerrie

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally

stimmy,

> howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over.

This was my son because of a few supplement intolerances, especially

EFAs, and also when it was time to remove the EFAs.

>>Its driving me

> totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12

shots

> and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on

because we

> suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him

off it long

> enough for us to see a difference without.

Try increasing his yeast protocol. Both mB12 and folic acid caused a

lot of yeast for my son.

> My gut is telling me its either the folinic acid or the Reduced

Glutathione

> cream from Kirkmans.

Glut can also cause yeast.

And some kids don't tolerate the cream base.

> We have a yeast protocol in place and I'm not seeing any of his

other yeast

> issues.

He might have new yeast issues now. My son's yeast symptoms changed

over time.

Try increasing the protocol, see if that helps.

>> He recently finished 10 days on/5 off/10 on of Flagyl for bacterial

> and 21 days of Nizoral. I just read that too many probiotics may

not be good

> either.

I can't give my kids probiotics any more, or they will have a gut

imbalance toward too much bacteria.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> > My son is really stimmy lately, more so than usual. Very verbally

>stimmy,

> > howling and saying " yyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss " over and over.

> >>Its driving me

> > totally INSANE and its starting at school now too. He is doing MB12

>shots

> > and we have played around with his folinic acid dosage off and on

>because we

> > suspected he wasn't tolerating it well. I may not have taken him

>off it long

> > enough for us to see a difference without.

I can relate, and while hope it is going to prove to be something he

stops doing eventually in the meantime we find that milk thistle

seems to help.

Marty

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