Re: Editorial from today's NY Times ...

[Guest guest]

bet you any amount of money the writer of this doesn't have a child with

autism, and doesn't know anyone who does either.

[Guest guest]

no mention of thimerisol in this editorial ... hmm

dpowell605 <POWDER914@...> wrote: The Measles Vaccine Follies

Irrational fears of vaccination seem to have been responsible for an

outbreak of measles in Indiana last year. It was a sad example of

how parents who think they are protecting their children by shunning

a vaccine can end up doing them harm.

Measles is a highly infectious viral disease that can cause a rash,

fever, diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, encephalitis and

even death. Worldwide, it infects some 30 million people and causes

more than 450,000 deaths a year. In this country, measles was once a

common childhood disease, but it had been largely eliminated by

2000, thanks mostly to development of a vaccine and compulsory

immunization of schoolchildren. The introduction of a second dose of

vaccine to bolster the first proved especially effective.

The outbreak in Indiana last year, which was detailed in a recent

report in The New England Journal of Medicine, provided evidence of

what can happen to a triumph of public health when a community lets

its guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl who visited an

orphanage in Romania on a church mission picked up the virus there.

When the girl returned, she attended a gathering of some 500 church

members that included many other unvaccinated children. Most had

been schooled at home and thus avoided compulsory shots. Their

families had access to the vaccine but declined the opportunity

because of reports that it might cause autism or other problems.

Their fears overrode assurances by health authorities that the

vaccine is extremely safe and has no link to autism.

By the time the outbreak had run its course, 34 people had become

ill. Three were hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

complications. No doubt the toll would have been considerably higher

had not most of the community been protected by vaccinations. The

vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana victims had been

vaccinated — but it protects the vast majority of recipients.

Families that evade vaccination put themselves and their neighbors

at risk. All young children, not just those attending school, should

be required to get immunized.

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This person probably believes that thimersosal has actually been removed from

vaccines...

<p>no mention of thimerisol in this editorial ... hmm<br>

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[Guest guest]

I would like to know whether this religious group in Indiana that

homeschools and avoids vaccinations has low rates of ASD's.

Does anyone on the list know who they are?

Joe Marciano

>

> bet you any amount of money the writer of this doesn't have a child

with

> autism, and doesn't know anyone who does either.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" that the

vaccine is extremely safe and has no link to autism. "

" The introduction of a second dose of

> vaccine to bolster the first proved especially effective. "

Where are this guy's facts? I'm sure he hasn't even bothered to

check and see if this is a factual statement.

Idiot.

>

> The Measles Vaccine Follies

>

> Irrational fears of vaccination seem to have been responsible for

an

> outbreak of measles in Indiana last year. It was a sad example of

> how parents who think they are protecting their children by

shunning

> a vaccine can end up doing them harm.

>

> Measles is a highly infectious viral disease that can cause a

rash,

> fever, diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, encephalitis and

> even death. Worldwide, it infects some 30 million people and

causes

> more than 450,000 deaths a year. In this country, measles was once

a

> common childhood disease, but it had been largely eliminated by

> 2000, thanks mostly to development of a vaccine and compulsory

> immunization of schoolchildren. The introduction of a second dose

of

> vaccine to bolster the first proved especially effective.

>

> The outbreak in Indiana last year, which was detailed in a recent

> report in The New England Journal of Medicine, provided evidence

of

> what can happen to a triumph of public health when a community

lets

> its guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl who visited an

> orphanage in Romania on a church mission picked up the virus

there.

>

> When the girl returned, she attended a gathering of some 500

church

> members that included many other unvaccinated children. Most had

> been schooled at home and thus avoided compulsory shots. Their

> families had access to the vaccine but declined the opportunity

> because of reports that it might cause autism or other problems.

> Their fears overrode assurances by health authorities that the

> vaccine is extremely safe and has no link to autism.

>

> By the time the outbreak had run its course, 34 people had become

> ill. Three were hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

> complications. No doubt the toll would have been considerably

higher

> had not most of the community been protected by vaccinations. The

> vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana victims had been

> vaccinated — but it protects the vast majority of recipients.

>

> Families that evade vaccination put themselves and their neighbors

> at risk. All young children, not just those attending school,

should

> be required to get immunized.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> The Measles Vaccine Follies

>

> Irrational fears of vaccination seem to have been responsible for

an

> outbreak of measles in Indiana last year. It was a sad example of

> how parents who think they are protecting their children by

shunning

> a vaccine can end up doing them harm.

83% of the public that came down with mumps was vaccinated!! But

they say its effective!

Iowa's public health department reports that the vaccination records

of 163 mumps patients have been investigated.

Of those patients, more than two-thirds (68%) had gotten two doses

of the MMR vaccine, 13% had gotten one dose, 5% had gotten no doses,

and 15% had uncertain vaccine status, states the CDC.

In 1977, Iowa required one dose of the MMR vaccine for all children

entering public schools. That requirement rose to two doses in 1991.

" Mumps should not be ruled out in someone who is vaccinated if they

have symptoms clinically consistent with mumps, " Iowa public health

officials wrote in their letter to the state's health care

facilities.

However, Iowa's health department still recommends MMR vaccination

for all susceptible people. " The MMR vaccine is 95% effective, "

says.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/120/113902.htm

[Guest guest]

The Iowa outbreak of mumpsles or meaps has been continuously updated.

SEE SPECIFIC DATES:

http://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/mumps.asp

Confirmed vaccination status break-downs.

Thursday, March 23rd, 2006:

0 MMR 9% (9/101)

1 MMR 14% (14/101)

2 MMR 65% (66/101)

Unknown 12% (12/101)

% with any history of MMR 79%

Thursday, March 30th, 2006:

0 MMR 5% (8/136)

1 MMR 14% (21/136)

2 MMR 66% (99/136)

Unknown 15% (23/136)

% with any MMR history 80%

Thursday, April 13, 2006:

0 MMR 3% (9/362)

1 MMR 10.2% (28/362)

2 MMR 64% (172/362)

Unknown 23% (46/362)

% with any history of MMR 74%

The April 18th, 2006 confirmed vaccination status segment of the Iowa Mumps

Update was not refreshed from April 13th, 2006 due to a database reconstruction.

This reconstruction was actually a merger of two databases. The next update was

April 20th, 2006. Might one expect to see a significant shift somewhere? One

would think it's perfectly acceptable to expect to see an adjustment in numbers

with the next update.

Thursday, April 20th, 2006

0 MMR 3% (13/429)

1 MMR 13% (56/429)

2 MMR 64% (276/429)

Unknown 20% (84/429)

% with any MMR history 77%

Well, OK so nothing happened. If the reconstruction actually took place between

Thursday, April 13th and Thursday, April 20th note it had no effect on 2 MMR

status percentage. In fact over the period of about a month the 2 MMR percentage

remained very steady in a very tight margin in mid 60% range plus or minus two

percent, and the other categories stayed about the same, too.

The weekend goes by, but on Monday, April 24th, 2006 look what happens to some

of the numbers that have been consistent to date.

Monday, April 24th, 2006

0 MMR 3% (21/681)

1 MMR 12% (84/681)

2 MMR 53% (363/681)

Unknown 31% (209/681)

% with any MMR history 65%

There's a major shift from 2 MMR to Unknown that doesn't seem to make sense.

This was an outbreak mainly amongst college students required to show proof of

immunization to enter school. It's hard to accept that a shift from 2 MMR to

suddenly unknown would remain for the rest of the outbreak, but it did. The last

report stated that vaccine status for 1759 people had been confirmed, but a

third of all confirmations consisted of status unknown.

Still, in the end two-thirds of the mumps cases had MMR history, but it could

certainly be much higher if the unknown vaccine status cases were dealt with.

This would translate into perhaps as many as three quarters of Iowa mumps cased

tied to this outbreak had MMR history.

Aren't vaccines supposed to prevent this from happening?

[ ] Re: Editorial from today's NY Times ...

>

> The Measles Vaccine Follies

>

> Irrational fears of vaccination seem to have been responsible for

an

> outbreak of measles in Indiana last year. It was a sad example of

> how parents who think they are protecting their children by

shunning

> a vaccine can end up doing them harm.

83% of the public that came down with mumps was vaccinated!! But

they say its effective!

Iowa's public health department reports that the vaccination records

of 163 mumps patients have been investigated.

Of those patients, more than two-thirds (68%) had gotten two doses

of the MMR vaccine, 13% had gotten one dose, 5% had gotten no doses,

and 15% had uncertain vaccine status, states the CDC.

In 1977, Iowa required one dose of the MMR vaccine for all children

entering public schools. That requirement rose to two doses in 1991.

" Mumps should not be ruled out in someone who is vaccinated if they

have symptoms clinically consistent with mumps, " Iowa public health

officials wrote in their letter to the state's health care

facilities.

However, Iowa's health department still recommends MMR vaccination

for all susceptible people. " The MMR vaccine is 95% effective, "

says.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/120/113902.htm

[Guest guest]

To all,

This is the body of the email I sent

to Byron Calame, the NY Times " public

editor " (public@... 06:30 8/9/06

-0400 Re: 09 Aug 2006 Opinion Piece:

'The Measles Vaccine Follies')

early today:

>

>Byron Calame,

>

>I read this " opinion " piece with interest

>hoping to find something of value in it.

>

>However, as usual, the information presented

>was calculated to instill fear rather than

>to report the factual realities concerning

>the incident.

>

>Factually, 34 people out of " 500 " contracted

>the measles virus and 2 of these had been

>vaccinated -- one 16-year-old twice.

>

>Theoreticaly, at least one of the 2 vaccinated

>should have been protected from the measles

>BUT was NOT.

>

>Three were hospitalized, but no one died and

>none were reported to have any serious

>long-term adverse effects!

>

>Thus, your statements about the world:

> >

> >Measles is a highly infectious viral

> >disease that can cause a rash, fever,

> >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia,

> >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide,

> >it infects some 30 million people and

> >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year.

> >

>obviously have no bearing on this incident

>and are, therefore, designed to fearmonger

>rather than inform.

>

>Your editorial forgot to mention that for

>some of those vaccinated with MMR are not

>so lucky BECAUSE they die or, worse still,

>they are permanently maimed -- and you did

>NOT even report the risks for harm and

>death from the MMR vaccine -- if you were

>interested in being fair, you would have,

>at least, reported these risks.

>

>On balance, the MMR vaccine does protect

>most BUT at the unnecessary cost of lives

>and maimed children BECAUSE an equally

>effective INACTIVATED measles-virus vaccine

>could have been developed and deployed but,

>because they can't be sued for the harm the

>current MMR vaccine does and the development

>costs would have cut into their profits,

>Merck has NOT attempted to reduce the adverse

>reactions to their MMR vaccine by changing

>the most damaging component to an equally

>effective but lower-risk-of-adverse-reactions

>inactivated measles-virus-component vaccine

>that would reduce, if not eliminate the harm

>being done by the current all live-virus MMR

>vaccine.

>

>Moreover, though compelled by statute to do

>all he can to reduce the adverse reactions to

>childhood vaccines by statute (42 U.S.C. 300aa-27(a)),

>Secretary of HHS Mike Leavitt has also KNOWINGLY

>failed to compel Merck to safen this vaccine.

>

>Given the preceding realities and the reality

>that, absent an inactivated measles component

>in the MMR vaccine, the separate component

>vaccines are safer and, if the first dose of the

>measles vaccine is delayed until the child's

>immune system is fully developed (after 2 years

>of age), it is easy to see why there is some

>reluctance by some parents to vaccinate their

>child with the MMR vaccine at 12 months of age.

>

>Finally, your opinion piece's closing statement,

> >

> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves

> >and their neighbors at risk. All young children,

> >not just those attending school, should be

> >required to get immunized.

> >

>indicates that your paper supports a Facist state

>that compels parents rather than the Democratic

>Republic, which the United States of America is

>supposed to be.

>

>Parents have and should continue to have the right

>to choose what they feel is best for their children

>and NO ONE should be asked, much less compelled, to

>risk harming his children for the good of others,

>UNLESS, contrary to the current reality,

>1. Each parent is informed of the TRUE risks for

> each vaccine and NOT, as they are today,

> continually lied to, and

>2. The manufacturers and the government are doing

> all that they can to reduce the risks of harm

> from the vaccines -- which is NOT the case

> today.

>

>Hopefully, your paper will take my remarks to heart

>and stop being the blind apologist for the government

>and the healthcare establishment that this " opinion "

>clearly indicates it is.

>

>

Hopefully, this editorial and its sentiments will

be helpful to those who are engaged in trying to

bring responsibility and accountability to those

in any facet of the healthcare establishment who,

by their actions or inactions, have KNOWINGLY

contributed to the risk of harm from vaccines

and/or the harm that Thimerosal-preserved vaccines

have and are continuing to cause as well as the

other unnecessay harms inherent in:

1. the current vaccines (like the hepatitis B and

MMR vaccines),

2. the current wrongheaded national childhood

vaccination programs that " recommend "

vaccination BEFORE the child's natural immune

system has " fully " matured, and

3. the inclusion of other vaccines in the

national vaccination program that, IN MY VIEW,

are:

a. NOT EFFECTIVE (e.g., the current inactivated

human influenza vaccine even when Thimerosal

free);

b. NOT COST EFFECTIVE (e.g., the varicella

vaccines),

c. NOT TRULY SAFE (e.g., the now withdrawn LymeRix

and RotaVax vacines, and hepatitis B, the live

oral polio vaccines, the Thimerosal-preserved

vaccines, and the new rotavirus vaccine);

and/or

d. ONLY PROVIDE INCOMPLETE PROTECTION (e.g.,

Menactra, Menomune, Gardasil, and the pneumococcal

vaccines)

which, IN THE LONG TERM, ONLY profit the healthcare

establishment and NOT the public as a whole -- in

general, the colective harms, and the costs of those

harms, that these vaccines do SEEMINGLY outweigh the

" cost savings " in the U.S. that they are purported to

provide.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

At 19:13 8/9/06 -0000, dpowell605 wrote:

>The Measles Vaccine Follies

>

>Irrational fears of vaccination seem to

>have been responsible for an outbreak

>of measles in Indiana last year. It was

>a sad example of how parents who think

>they are protecting their children by

>shunning a vaccine can end up doing

>them harm.

>

>Measles is a highly infectious viral

>disease that can cause a rash, fever,

>diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia,

>encephalitis and even death. Worldwide,

>it infects some 30 million people and

>causes more than 450,000 deaths a year.

>In this country, measles was once a

>common childhood disease, but it had

>been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks

>mostly to development of a vaccine and

>compulsory immunization of schoolchildren.

>The introduction of a second dose of

>vaccine to bolster the first proved

>especially effective.

>

>The outbreak in Indiana last year, which

>was detailed in a recent report in The

>New England Journal of Medicine, provided

>evidence of what can happen to a triumph of

>public health when a community lets its

>guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl

>who visited an orphanage in Romania on a

>church mission picked up the virus there.

>

>When the girl returned, she attended a

>gathering of some 500 church members that

>included many other unvaccinated children.

>Most had been schooled at home and thus

>avoided compulsory shots. Their families

>had access to the vaccine but declined the

>opportunity because of reports that it might

>cause autism or other problems. Their fears

>overrode assurances by health authorities

>that the vaccine is extremely safe and has

>no link to autism.

>

>By the time the outbreak had run its course,

>34 people had become ill. Three were

>hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

>complications. No doubt the toll would have

>been considerably higher had not most of the

>community been protected by vaccinations. The

>vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana

>victims had been vaccinated — but it protects

>the vast majority of recipients.

>

>Families that evade vaccination put themselves

>and their neighbors at risk. All young children,

>not just those attending school, should be

>required to get immunized.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HEAR! HEAR!!!

> >The Measles Vaccine Follies

> >

> >Irrational fears of vaccination seem to

> >have been responsible for an outbreak

> >of measles in Indiana last year. It was

> >a sad example of how parents who think

> >they are protecting their children by

> >shunning a vaccine can end up doing

> >them harm.

> >

> >Measles is a highly infectious viral

> >disease that can cause a rash, fever,

> >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia,

> >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide,

> >it infects some 30 million people and

> >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year.

> >In this country, measles was once a

> >common childhood disease, but it had

> >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks

> >mostly to development of a vaccine and

> >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren.

> >The introduction of a second dose of

> >vaccine to bolster the first proved

> >especially effective.

> >

> >The outbreak in Indiana last year, which

> >was detailed in a recent report in The

> >New England Journal of Medicine, provided

> >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of

> >public health when a community lets its

> >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl

> >who visited an orphanage in Romania on a

> >church mission picked up the virus there.

> >

> >When the girl returned, she attended a

> >gathering of some 500 church members that

> >included many other unvaccinated children.

> >Most had been schooled at home and thus

> >avoided compulsory shots. Their families

> >had access to the vaccine but declined the

> >opportunity because of reports that it might

> >cause autism or other problems. Their fears

> >overrode assurances by health authorities

> >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has

> >no link to autism.

> >

> >By the time the outbreak had run its course,

> >34 people had become ill. Three were

> >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

> >complications. No doubt the toll would have

> >been considerably higher had not most of the

> >community been protected by vaccinations. The

> >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana

> >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects

> >the vast majority of recipients.

> >

> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves

> >and their neighbors at risk. All young children,

> >not just those attending school, should be

> >required to get immunized.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Henry - much more articulate than I. I just keep thinking

that we hear over and over about these 34 cases, but we don't hear

over and over about how many autism cases are happening, EVERY Day!

Sally

> >

> > The Measles Vaccine Follies

> >

> > Irrational fears of vaccination seem to have been responsible

for

> an

> > outbreak of measles in Indiana last year. It was a sad example

of

> > how parents who think they are protecting their children by

> shunning

> > a vaccine can end up doing them harm.

> >

> > Measles is a highly infectious viral disease that can cause a

> rash,

> > fever, diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, encephalitis

and

> > even death. Worldwide, it infects some 30 million people and

> causes

> > more than 450,000 deaths a year. In this country, measles was

once

> a

> > common childhood disease, but it had been largely eliminated

by

> > 2000, thanks mostly to development of a vaccine and compulsory

> > immunization of schoolchildren. The introduction of a second

dose

> of

> > vaccine to bolster the first proved especially effective.

> >

> > The outbreak in Indiana last year, which was detailed in a

recent

> > report in The New England Journal of Medicine, provided

evidence

> of

> > what can happen to a triumph of public health when a community

> lets

> > its guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl who visited an

> > orphanage in Romania on a church mission picked up the virus

> there.

> >

> > When the girl returned, she attended a gathering of some 500

> church

> > members that included many other unvaccinated children. Most

had

> > been schooled at home and thus avoided compulsory shots. Their

> > families had access to the vaccine but declined the

opportunity

> > because of reports that it might cause autism or other

problems.

> > Their fears overrode assurances by health authorities that the

> > vaccine is extremely safe and has no link to autism.

> >

> > By the time the outbreak had run its course, 34 people had

become

> > ill. Three were hospitalized, including one with life-

threatening

> > complications. No doubt the toll would have been considerably

> higher

> > had not most of the community been protected by vaccinations.

The

> > vaccine isn't foolproof - two of the Indiana victims had been

> > vaccinated - but it protects the vast majority of recipients.

> >

> > Families that evade vaccination put themselves and their

neighbors

> > at risk. All young children, not just those attending school,

> should

> > be required to get immunized.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Henry - much more articulate than I. I just keep thinking

that we hear over and over about these 34 cases, but we don't hear

over and over about how many autism cases are happening, EVERY Day!

Sally

> >

> > The Measles Vaccine Follies

> >

> > Irrational fears of vaccination seem to have been responsible

for

> an

> > outbreak of measles in Indiana last year. It was a sad example

of

> > how parents who think they are protecting their children by

> shunning

> > a vaccine can end up doing them harm.

> >

> > Measles is a highly infectious viral disease that can cause a

> rash,

> > fever, diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, encephalitis

and

> > even death. Worldwide, it infects some 30 million people and

> causes

> > more than 450,000 deaths a year. In this country, measles was

once

> a

> > common childhood disease, but it had been largely eliminated

by

> > 2000, thanks mostly to development of a vaccine and compulsory

> > immunization of schoolchildren. The introduction of a second

dose

> of

> > vaccine to bolster the first proved especially effective.

> >

> > The outbreak in Indiana last year, which was detailed in a

recent

> > report in The New England Journal of Medicine, provided

evidence

> of

> > what can happen to a triumph of public health when a community

> lets

> > its guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl who visited an

> > orphanage in Romania on a church mission picked up the virus

> there.

> >

> > When the girl returned, she attended a gathering of some 500

> church

> > members that included many other unvaccinated children. Most

had

> > been schooled at home and thus avoided compulsory shots. Their

> > families had access to the vaccine but declined the

opportunity

> > because of reports that it might cause autism or other

problems.

> > Their fears overrode assurances by health authorities that the

> > vaccine is extremely safe and has no link to autism.

> >

> > By the time the outbreak had run its course, 34 people had

become

> > ill. Three were hospitalized, including one with life-

threatening

> > complications. No doubt the toll would have been considerably

> higher

> > had not most of the community been protected by vaccinations.

The

> > vaccine isn't foolproof - two of the Indiana victims had been

> > vaccinated - but it protects the vast majority of recipients.

> >

> > Families that evade vaccination put themselves and their

neighbors

> > at risk. All young children, not just those attending school,

> should

> > be required to get immunized.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

WOW!

> >The Measles Vaccine Follies

> >

> >Irrational fears of vaccination seem to

> >have been responsible for an outbreak

> >of measles in Indiana last year. It was

> >a sad example of how parents who think

> >they are protecting their children by

> >shunning a vaccine can end up doing

> >them harm.

> >

> >Measles is a highly infectious viral

> >disease that can cause a rash, fever,

> >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia,

> >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide,

> >it infects some 30 million people and

> >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year.

> >In this country, measles was once a

> >common childhood disease, but it had

> >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks

> >mostly to development of a vaccine and

> >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren.

> >The introduction of a second dose of

> >vaccine to bolster the first proved

> >especially effective.

> >

> >The outbreak in Indiana last year, which

> >was detailed in a recent report in The

> >New England Journal of Medicine, provided

> >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of

> >public health when a community lets its

> >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl

> >who visited an orphanage in Romania on a

> >church mission picked up the virus there.

> >

> >When the girl returned, she attended a

> >gathering of some 500 church members that

> >included many other unvaccinated children.

> >Most had been schooled at home and thus

> >avoided compulsory shots. Their families

> >had access to the vaccine but declined the

> >opportunity because of reports that it might

> >cause autism or other problems. Their fears

> >overrode assurances by health authorities

> >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has

> >no link to autism.

> >

> >By the time the outbreak had run its course,

> >34 people had become ill. Three were

> >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

> >complications. No doubt the toll would have

> >been considerably higher had not most of the

> >community been protected by vaccinations. The

> >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana

> >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects

> >the vast majority of recipients.

> >

> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves

> >and their neighbors at risk. All young children,

> >not just those attending school, should be

> >required to get immunized.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

WOW!

> >The Measles Vaccine Follies

> >

> >Irrational fears of vaccination seem to

> >have been responsible for an outbreak

> >of measles in Indiana last year. It was

> >a sad example of how parents who think

> >they are protecting their children by

> >shunning a vaccine can end up doing

> >them harm.

> >

> >Measles is a highly infectious viral

> >disease that can cause a rash, fever,

> >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia,

> >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide,

> >it infects some 30 million people and

> >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year.

> >In this country, measles was once a

> >common childhood disease, but it had

> >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks

> >mostly to development of a vaccine and

> >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren.

> >The introduction of a second dose of

> >vaccine to bolster the first proved

> >especially effective.

> >

> >The outbreak in Indiana last year, which

> >was detailed in a recent report in The

> >New England Journal of Medicine, provided

> >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of

> >public health when a community lets its

> >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl

> >who visited an orphanage in Romania on a

> >church mission picked up the virus there.

> >

> >When the girl returned, she attended a

> >gathering of some 500 church members that

> >included many other unvaccinated children.

> >Most had been schooled at home and thus

> >avoided compulsory shots. Their families

> >had access to the vaccine but declined the

> >opportunity because of reports that it might

> >cause autism or other problems. Their fears

> >overrode assurances by health authorities

> >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has

> >no link to autism.

> >

> >By the time the outbreak had run its course,

> >34 people had become ill. Three were

> >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

> >complications. No doubt the toll would have

> >been considerably higher had not most of the

> >community been protected by vaccinations. The

> >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana

> >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects

> >the vast majority of recipients.

> >

> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves

> >and their neighbors at risk. All young children,

> >not just those attending school, should be

> >required to get immunized.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Great response, .

I have found Byron Calame to be rather forthright.

However, with universal vaccinations, this touches the third rail of Upper West Side Liberal politics.

Expect his editorial board to quash any rational thought and common sense.

Unfortunately, this is one of the agendas of the agenda-driven times- to the ultimate detriment of the non-Sulzberger shareholders.

Re: Editorial from today's NY Times ...

WOW!> >The Measles Vaccine Follies > >> >Irrational fears of vaccination seem to > >have been responsible for an outbreak > >of measles in Indiana last year. It was > >a sad example of how parents who think > >they are protecting their children by > >shunning a vaccine can end up doing > >them harm.> >> >Measles is a highly infectious viral > >disease that can cause a rash, fever, > >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, > >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide, > >it infects some 30 million people and > >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year. > >In this country, measles was once a > >common childhood disease, but it had > >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks > >mostly to development of a vaccine and > >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren. > >The introduction of a second dose of > >vaccine to bolster the first proved > >especially effective. > >> >The outbreak in Indiana last year, which > >was detailed in a recent report in The > >New England Journal of Medicine, provided > >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of > >public health when a community lets its > >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl> >who visited an orphanage in Romania on a > >church mission picked up the virus there. > >> >When the girl returned, she attended a > >gathering of some 500 church members that > >included many other unvaccinated children. > >Most had been schooled at home and thus > >avoided compulsory shots. Their families > >had access to the vaccine but declined the > >opportunity because of reports that it might > >cause autism or other problems. Their fears > >overrode assurances by health authorities > >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has > >no link to autism. > >> >By the time the outbreak had run its course, > >34 people had become ill. Three were > >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening > >complications. No doubt the toll would have > >been considerably higher had not most of the > >community been protected by vaccinations. The > >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana > >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects > >the vast majority of recipients. > >> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves > >and their neighbors at risk. All young children, > >not just those attending school, should be > >required to get immunized.> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Great response, .

I have found Byron Calame to be rather forthright.

However, with universal vaccinations, this touches the third rail of Upper West Side Liberal politics.

Expect his editorial board to quash any rational thought and common sense.

Unfortunately, this is one of the agendas of the agenda-driven times- to the ultimate detriment of the non-Sulzberger shareholders.

Re: Editorial from today's NY Times ...

WOW!> >The Measles Vaccine Follies > >> >Irrational fears of vaccination seem to > >have been responsible for an outbreak > >of measles in Indiana last year. It was > >a sad example of how parents who think > >they are protecting their children by > >shunning a vaccine can end up doing > >them harm.> >> >Measles is a highly infectious viral > >disease that can cause a rash, fever, > >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, > >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide, > >it infects some 30 million people and > >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year. > >In this country, measles was once a > >common childhood disease, but it had > >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks > >mostly to development of a vaccine and > >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren. > >The introduction of a second dose of > >vaccine to bolster the first proved > >especially effective. > >> >The outbreak in Indiana last year, which > >was detailed in a recent report in The > >New England Journal of Medicine, provided > >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of > >public health when a community lets its > >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl> >who visited an orphanage in Romania on a > >church mission picked up the virus there. > >> >When the girl returned, she attended a > >gathering of some 500 church members that > >included many other unvaccinated children. > >Most had been schooled at home and thus > >avoided compulsory shots. Their families > >had access to the vaccine but declined the > >opportunity because of reports that it might > >cause autism or other problems. Their fears > >overrode assurances by health authorities > >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has > >no link to autism. > >> >By the time the outbreak had run its course, > >34 people had become ill. Three were > >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening > >complications. No doubt the toll would have > >been considerably higher had not most of the > >community been protected by vaccinations. The > >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana > >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects > >the vast majority of recipients. > >> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves > >and their neighbors at risk. All young children, > >not just those attending school, should be > >required to get immunized.> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

I was born in 1969.  I was vaccinated for the measles.  When I was 21, I got the measles-BADLY!My friend was born in 1970.  She was vaccinated for the measles.  When she was 24, she got the measles.  When she was 26, she was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis.I was told at the time that a certain percentage of the vaccine my generation had receive was 'faulty' whatever that means.On Aug 9, 2006, at 5:02 PM, G. King wrote:To all,This is the body of the email I sent to Byron Calame, the NY Times "public editor" (publicnytimes 06:30 8/9/06 -0400 Re: 09 Aug 2006 Opinion Piece: 'The Measles Vaccine Follies') early today:>>Byron Calame, >>I read this "opinion" piece with interest >hoping to find something of value in it.>>However, as usual, the information presented >was calculated to instill fear rather than >to report the factual realities concerning >the incident.>>Factually, 34 people out of "500" contracted >the measles virus and 2 of these had been >vaccinated -- one 16-year-old twice. >>Theoreticaly, at least one of the 2 vaccinated >should have been protected from the measles >BUT was NOT.>>Three were hospitalized, but no one died and >none were reported to have any serious >long-term adverse effects!>>Thus, your statements about the world:> >> >Measles is a highly infectious viral > >disease that can cause a rash, fever, > >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, > >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide, > >it infects some 30 million people and > >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year. > >>obviously have no bearing on this incident >and are, therefore, designed to fearmonger >rather than inform.>>Your editorial forgot to mention that for >some of those vaccinated with MMR are not >so lucky BECAUSE they die or, worse still, >they are permanently maimed -- and you did >NOT even report the risks for harm and >death from the MMR vaccine -- if you were>interested in being fair, you would have, >at least, reported these risks.>>On balance, the MMR vaccine does protect >most BUT at the unnecessary cost of lives >and maimed children BECAUSE an equally >effective INACTIVATED measles-virus vaccine >could have been developed and deployed but, >because they can't be sued for the harm the >current MMR vaccine does and the development >costs would have cut into their profits, >Merck has NOT attempted to reduce the adverse >reactions to their MMR vaccine by changing >the most damaging component to an equally >effective but lower-risk-of-adverse-reactions>inactivated measles-virus-component vaccine >that would reduce, if not eliminate the harm>being done by the current all live-virus MMR >vaccine.>>Moreover, though compelled by statute to do >all he can to reduce the adverse reactions to >childhood vaccines by statute (42 U.S.C. 300aa-27(a)), >Secretary of HHS Mike Leavitt has also KNOWINGLY>failed to compel Merck to safen this vaccine.>>Given the preceding realities and the reality >that, absent an inactivated measles component >in the MMR vaccine, the separate component >vaccines are safer and, if the first dose of the >measles vaccine is delayed until the child's >immune system is fully developed (after 2 years >of age), it is easy to see why there is some >reluctance by some parents to vaccinate their >child with the MMR vaccine at 12 months of age.>>Finally, your opinion piece's closing statement, > >> >Families that evade vaccination put themselves > >and their neighbors at risk. All young children, > >not just those attending school, should be > >required to get immunized.> >>indicates that your paper supports a Facist state>that compels parents rather than the Democratic>Republic, which the United States of America is>supposed to be.>>Parents have and should continue to have the right>to choose what they feel is best for their children>and NO ONE should be asked, much less compelled, to >risk harming his children for the good of others, >UNLESS, contrary to the current reality, >1. Each parent is informed of the TRUE risks for > each vaccine and NOT, as they are today, > continually lied to, and>2. The manufacturers and the government are doing > all that they can to reduce the risks of harm > from the vaccines -- which is NOT the case > today.>>Hopefully, your paper will take my remarks to heart>and stop being the blind apologist for the government >and the healthcare establishment that this "opinion" >clearly indicates it is.>>Hopefully, this editorial and its sentiments willbe helpful to those who are engaged in trying tobring responsibility and accountability to those in any facet of the healthcare establishment who,by their actions or inactions, have KNOWINGLYcontributed to the risk of harm from vaccines and/or the harm that Thimerosal-preserved vaccines have and are continuing to cause as well as the other unnecessay harms inherent in:1. the current vaccines (like the hepatitis B andMMR vaccines),2. the current wrongheaded national childhood vaccination programs that "recommend" vaccination BEFORE the child's natural immune system has "fully" matured, and3. the inclusion of other vaccines in the national vaccination program that, IN MY VIEW, are: a. NOT EFFECTIVE (e.g., the current inactivated human influenza vaccine even when Thimerosalfree); b. NOT COST EFFECTIVE (e.g., the varicella vaccines),c. NOT TRULY SAFE (e.g., the now withdrawn LymeRixand RotaVax vacines, and hepatitis B, the live oral polio vaccines, the Thimerosal-preservedvaccines, and the new rotavirus vaccine); and/ord. ONLY PROVIDE INCOMPLETE PROTECTION (e.g., Menactra, Menomune, Gardasil, and the pneumococcalvaccines)which, IN THE LONG TERM, ONLY profit the healthcareestablishment and NOT the public as a whole -- in general, the colective harms, and the costs of those harms, that these vaccines do SEEMINGLY outweigh the "cost savings" in the U.S. that they are purported to provide.Respectfully,Dr. Kinghttp://www.dr-king.com++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 19:13 8/9/06 -0000, dpowell605 wrote:>The Measles Vaccine Follies >>Irrational fears of vaccination seem to >have been responsible for an outbreak >of measles in Indiana last year. It was >a sad example of how parents who think >they are protecting their children by >shunning a vaccine can end up doing >them harm.>>Measles is a highly infectious viral >disease that can cause a rash, fever, >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia, >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide, >it infects some 30 million people and >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year. >In this country, measles was once a >common childhood disease, but it had >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks >mostly to development of a vaccine and >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren. >The introduction of a second dose of >vaccine to bolster the first proved >especially effective. >>The outbreak in Indiana last year, which >was detailed in a recent report in The >New England Journal of Medicine, provided >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of >public health when a community lets its >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl>who visited an orphanage in Romania on a >church mission picked up the virus there. >>When the girl returned, she attended a >gathering of some 500 church members that >included many other unvaccinated children. >Most had been schooled at home and thus >avoided compulsory shots. Their families >had access to the vaccine but declined the >opportunity because of reports that it might >cause autism or other problems. Their fears >overrode assurances by health authorities >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has >no link to autism. >>By the time the outbreak had run its course, >34 people had become ill. Three were >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening >complications. No doubt the toll would have >been considerably higher had not most of the >community been protected by vaccinations. The >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects >the vast majority of recipients. >>Families that evade vaccination put themselves >and their neighbors at risk. All young children, >not just those attending school, should be >required to get immunized.>>>

[Guest guest]

" I was told at the time that a certain percentage of the vaccine my

generation had receive was 'faulty' whatever that means " .

As opposed today when all vaccines are perfectly safe! NOT...

Sue M.

> > >The Measles Vaccine Follies

> > >

> > >Irrational fears of vaccination seem to

> > >have been responsible for an outbreak

> > >of measles in Indiana last year. It was

> > >a sad example of how parents who think

> > >they are protecting their children by

> > >shunning a vaccine can end up doing

> > >them harm.

> > >

> > >Measles is a highly infectious viral

> > >disease that can cause a rash, fever,

> > >diarrhea and, in severe cases, pneumonia,

> > >encephalitis and even death. Worldwide,

> > >it infects some 30 million people and

> > >causes more than 450,000 deaths a year.

> > >In this country, measles was once a

> > >common childhood disease, but it had

> > >been largely eliminated by 2000, thanks

> > >mostly to development of a vaccine and

> > >compulsory immunization of schoolchildren.

> > >The introduction of a second dose of

> > >vaccine to bolster the first proved

> > >especially effective.

> > >

> > >The outbreak in Indiana last year, which

> > >was detailed in a recent report in The

> > >New England Journal of Medicine, provided

> > >evidence of what can happen to a triumph of

> > >public health when a community lets its

> > >guard down. A 17-year-old unvaccinated girl

> > >who visited an orphanage in Romania on a

> > >church mission picked up the virus there.

> > >

> > >When the girl returned, she attended a

> > >gathering of some 500 church members that

> > >included many other unvaccinated children.

> > >Most had been schooled at home and thus

> > >avoided compulsory shots. Their families

> > >had access to the vaccine but declined the

> > >opportunity because of reports that it might

> > >cause autism or other problems. Their fears

> > >overrode assurances by health authorities

> > >that the vaccine is extremely safe and has

> > >no link to autism.

> > >

> > >By the time the outbreak had run its course,

> > >34 people had become ill. Three were

> > >hospitalized, including one with life-threatening

> > >complications. No doubt the toll would have

> > >been considerably higher had not most of the

> > >community been protected by vaccinations. The

> > >vaccine isn't foolproof — two of the Indiana

> > >victims had been vaccinated — but it protects

> > >the vast majority of recipients.

> > >

> > >Families that evade vaccination put themselves

> > >and their neighbors at risk. All young children,

> > >not just those attending school, should be

> > >required to get immunized.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>