RE: About to start chelation - I appreciate your help

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Oral DMSA, you can do it without the doc. No need for a prescription. See

www.danasview.net for yeast protocol info.

S S

<p>Dear listmates,<br>

<br>

I would be truly appreciative if you would be so kind and and help <br>

me. We are about to start chelation with DMSA. My DAN doctor just <br>

came back from the DAN conference and he thinks that using DMSA <br>

suppository is the way to go. It's given once a week or once every <br>

day for 3 days on, 11 days off. Since I wanted to use Andy's <br>

protocol, I am not sure how this will work. As far as oral DMSA, I <br>

am worried about yeast. I want to go with the transdermal DMSA <br>

every four hours but I don't know about the rate of absorption. I <br>

am confused and don't know which way to go. Is there is yeast <br>

protocol I can use in case we use the oral DMSA??? <br>

<br>

So, which one do you advise me to use for my 29 month old:<br>

<br>

- DMSA suppository once a week<br>

- DMSA suppository once a day, 3 days on, 11 days off<br>

- Oral DMSA<br>

- Transdermal DMSA<br>

<br>

Thank you so very much for your help<br>

<br>

Samar<br>

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Samar,

The oral protocol is much safer, IMHO, but you do have to watch the yeast

buggers all the way through. Don't be surprised at yeast--expect it--because it

can be a sign that mercury is moving through the system.

Most of us combat it with some good probiotics, like Culturelle or ThreeLac, and

natural yeast killers like Grapefruit Seed Extract or Oil of Oregano. I give my

son the GSE--6-8 drops in water, once or twice a day, throughout the chelating

cycle and a day or two later. The probiotics he gets all the time.

Remember to keep your dose LOW and to give lots of water and supportive

supplements. EXPECT your child to be tired the day after.

Good luck!

Barb

[ ] About to start chelation - I appreciate your help

Dear listmates,

I would be truly appreciative if you would be so kind and and help

me. We are about to start chelation with DMSA. My DAN doctor just

came back from the DAN conference and he thinks that using DMSA

suppository is the way to go. It's given once a week or once every

day for 3 days on, 11 days off. Since I wanted to use Andy's

protocol, I am not sure how this will work. As far as oral DMSA, I

am worried about yeast. I want to go with the transdermal DMSA

every four hours but I don't know about the rate of absorption. I

am confused and don't know which way to go. Is there is yeast

protocol I can use in case we use the oral DMSA???

So, which one do you advise me to use for my 29 month old:

- DMSA suppository once a week

- DMSA suppository once a day, 3 days on, 11 days off

- Oral DMSA

- Transdermal DMSA

Thank you so very much for your help

Samar

[Guest guest]

We use the suppositories-and have had no problems and we have used

since March of this year. We were dosing 1x/week and now do 2x weekly

It has been a great choice for us and we have had very minimal

problems with yeast.

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> I would be truly appreciative if you would be so kind and and help

> me. We are about to start chelation with DMSA. My DAN doctor

just

> came back from the DAN conference and he thinks that using DMSA

> suppository is the way to go. It's given once a week or once

every

> day for 3 days on, 11 days off. Since I wanted to use Andy's

> protocol, I am not sure how this will work. As far as oral DMSA,

I

> am worried about yeast. I want to go with the transdermal DMSA

> every four hours but I don't know about the rate of absorption. I

> am confused and don't know which way to go. Is there is yeast

> protocol I can use in case we use the oral DMSA???

>

> So, which one do you advise me to use for my 29 month old:

>

> - DMSA suppository once a week

> - DMSA suppository once a day, 3 days on, 11 days off

> - Oral DMSA

> - Transdermal DMSA

>

> Thank you so very much for your help

>

> Samar

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure how they calculate safe dosing only giving it once a

day or week. Normally dmsa only goes four hours before a redose is

needed. Also, I don't know the age of your child, but suppositories

are not nice business, especially for an older child. I would try

not to inflict this on my child unless there was NO other way. As in

he could not take oral dmsa.

We are using oral and following a yeast protocol and it's working

great. There are a few supplements or prescriptions that can be used

to manage yeast. It is a part of chelation. And they may get yeast

with suppositories or transdermal. Some metals will pass through the

bowel and this flares yeast. So there is no guarantee he will not

have yeast with the other methods.

I can't personally recomend the dosing that your doc recomends. It

does not follow Andy's protocol. Your child is what under, 3 years?

I would tend to go with the oral Andy version of chelation. And

remember that kids with metals already have yeast, even without

chelation. Try not to fear the yeast flare ups. Just learn how to

manage them.

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> I would be truly appreciative if you would be so kind and and help

> me. We are about to start chelation with DMSA. My DAN doctor

just

> came back from the DAN conference and he thinks that using DMSA

> suppository is the way to go. It's given once a week or once

every

> day for 3 days on, 11 days off. Since I wanted to use Andy's

> protocol, I am not sure how this will work. As far as oral DMSA,

I

> am worried about yeast. I want to go with the transdermal DMSA

> every four hours but I don't know about the rate of absorption. I

> am confused and don't know which way to go. Is there is yeast

> protocol I can use in case we use the oral DMSA???

>

> So, which one do you advise me to use for my 29 month old:

>

> - DMSA suppository once a week

> - DMSA suppository once a day, 3 days on, 11 days off

> - Oral DMSA

> - Transdermal DMSA

>

> Thank you so very much for your help

>

> Samar

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> I would be truly appreciative if you would be so kind and and help

> me. We are about to start chelation with DMSA. My DAN doctor

just

> came back from the DAN conference and he thinks that using DMSA

> suppository is the way to go.

Maybe he should try this himself? , Ok, this was too tempting to

pass.

>It's given once a week or once every

> day for 3 days on, 11 days off.

And your kid will most likely get very sick, mine did when I used

DMPS every other day.

Since I wanted to use Andy's

> protocol, I am not sure how this will work. As far as oral DMSA,

I

> am worried about yeast. I want to go with the transdermal DMSA

> every four hours but I don't know about the rate of absorption.

You doc should be able to calculate this, anyway, TD is usually a

lot lower than oral.

I

> am confused and don't know which way to go. Is there is yeast

> protocol I can use in case we use the oral DMSA???

>

Of course, and you may have to use the yeast protocol as long as

your child has mercury, independently of how you chelate.

> So, which one do you advise me to use for my 29 month old:

>

> - DMSA suppository once a week

NO!

> - DMSA suppository once a day, 3 days on, 11 days off

WORSE!

> - Oral DMSA

> - Transdermal DMSA

any of them would do, just make sure you give it every 4 hours.

Raquel

>

> Thank you so very much for your help

>

> Samar

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> I would be truly appreciative if you would be so kind and and help

> me. We are about to start chelation with DMSA. My DAN doctor just

> came back from the DAN conference and he thinks that using DMSA

> suppository is the way to go. It's given once a week or once every

> day for 3 days on, 11 days off. Since I wanted to use Andy's

> protocol, I am not sure how this will work. As far as oral DMSA, I

> am worried about yeast. I want to go with the transdermal DMSA

> every four hours but I don't know about the rate of absorption. I

> am confused and don't know which way to go. Is there is yeast

> protocol I can use in case we use the oral DMSA???

>

> So, which one do you advise me to use for my 29 month old:

>

> - DMSA suppository once a week

> - DMSA suppository once a day, 3 days on, 11 days off

> - Oral DMSA

> - Transdermal DMSA

>

Oral DMSA, dosed at 3-4 h intervals, day and night, for at least 3

days and 2 nights, and as many days off as days on. Minerals every day.

If you look at any pharmacy textbook you will find that the absorption

of drugs that are administered rectally is erratic. This is exactly

what you DON'T want with chelation. Chelation is best when the

absorption of the drug is fairly consistent (GI tract) and blood

levels are kept fairly steady (dosing the drug at the half life which

means about every 3-4 h for DMSA).

What will happen with DMSA suppositories, once a day or once a week,

is that the person will get a big dose of drug, a whole bunch of

metals will move all at once, and then the blood levels of drug will

fall quickly. It will be too much for the body to handle too quickly

and so most of the metals that are stirred up will be shoved to some

place where they were not before doing more damage. Even if

suppositories could be administered every 4 h (my kids wouldn't stand

for it, nor me for that matter) it would still be inferior to oral

dosing because the absorption from the GI tract would be more

consistant than rectal absorption.

Yeast, or gut bug issues, are common for poisoned people in general

and tend to get stirred up to some extent by chelation. The thought

that gut bug issues can be reduced by administering the drug by some

other route other than oral is just a thought or theory. Even if the

thought is not true if enough people repeat it people start to believe

that the thought is true and may not realize that it is most likely

not true. This particular one doesn't make sense to me because it

doesn't matter how the drug got in, the drug still has to get out, and

it will be carrying metals with it as it goes out. It is most likely

the mercury moving out that stirs up the gut bugs (either by killing

off beneficial organisms or by suppressing the immune system or a bit

of both).

What seems to work to keep gut bug issues at a minimum is to - chelate

with low doses administered at the half life, use diet and supplement

interventions, address individual problems.

J

> Thank you so very much for your help

>

> Samar

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 14/10/2006 22:08:56 GMT Standard Time,

lindajaytee@... writes:

Oral DMSA, dosed at 3-4 h intervals, day and night, for at least 3

days and 2 nights, and as many days off as days on. Minerals every day.

If you look at any pharmacy textbook you will find that the absorption

of drugs that are administered rectally is erratic. This is exactly

what you DON'T want with chelation. Chelation is best when the

absorption of the drug is fairly consistent (GI tract) and blood

levels are kept fairly steady (dosing the drug at the half life which

means about every 3-4 h for DMSA).

What will happen with DMSA suppositories, once a day or once a week,

is that the person will get a big dose of drug, a whole bunch of

metals will move all at once, and then the blood levels of drug will

fall quickly. It will be too much for the body to handle too quickly

and so most of the metals that are stirred up will be shoved to some

place where they were not before doing more damage. Even if

suppositories could be administered every 4 h (my kids wouldn't stand

for it, nor me for that matter) it would still be inferior to oral

dosing because the absorption from the GI tract would be more

consistant than rectal absorption.

Yeast, or gut bug issues, are common for poisoned people in general

and tend to get stirred up to some extent by chelation. The thought

that gut bug issues can be reduced by administering the drug by some

other route other than oral is just a thought or theory. Even if the

thought is not true if enough people repeat it people start to believe

that the thought is true and may not realize that it is most likely

not true. This particular one doesn't make sense to me because it

doesn't matter how the drug got in, the drug still has to get out, and

it will be carrying metals with it as it goes out. It is most likely

the mercury moving out that stirs up the gut bugs (either by killing

off beneficial organisms or by suppressing the immune system or a bit

of both).

What seems to work to keep gut bug issues at a minimum is to - chelate

with low doses administered at the half life, use diet and supplement

interventions, address individual problems.

J

****HI

Id be interested to know what you have done to raise glutathione or improve

gut health and digestion?

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 15/10/2006 17:17:22 GMT Standard Time,

lindajaytee@... writes:

I'm an adult chelating myself.

My gut problems (and yeast infections) mostly resolved with a

GFCF(legume free, sugar free) diet. I was lucky to trip on the right

diet for me at the right time.

I was following the book " Protein Power Lifeplan " by Eades and Eades.

They claim that the lectins (anti nutritional factors) in grains and

legumes, plus anaerobic fermentation from diets high in carbohydrates,

are what damages the gut. To heal the gut they suggest avoiding

grains, cutting down on carbohydrates, and ensuring adequate high

quality protein. Some of the major nutrients that they say must be

supplied in large quantities to heal the gut are omega 3 oils (fish or

flax), magnesium, and glutamine. I couldn't cut carbohydrates as low

as these authors suggest in their book.

I make lots of soups from bone broths and fresh vegetable juices

because I think the nutrients from these would be readily absorbed.

The only grain I use is rice (the lectins in rice are not as 'bad' as

those in other grains).

My hair test showed that I didn't need digestive enzymes (so I didn't

add any) and that I did need extra stomach acid (this goes with my

poor adrenal function, so I use stomach acid or take ascorbic acid or

lemon juice with meals).

After amalgam removal my plasma cysteine was high, so I didn't do

anything at that point to try to raise glutatione. A year later my

plasma cysteine was low. I supplement the three amino acids that are

used to make glutathione (cysteine in the form of NAC, I already was

taking glutamine, and added glycine). For the body to make

glutathione Mg is needed and B vitamins, especially thiamine. I have

been taking lots of Mg all along and some B vitamins. I added extra

thiamine.

I have been chelating continuously with DMPS for a year. The

chelation is helping me a lot. I expect that as DMPS removes mercury

from my body the enzymes involved in the pathways to make glutathione

will be working better.

J

Hi

This is what is helping me - ive brolen it down in stages for you and seems

to getting to the route of my problems. I think I have tried almost all the

supplements along the way and then a pattern seemed to develop in my recovery .

I have had CFS for 16 years and i knew I had to do something drastic to turn

myself around - I read many posts but no one seemed to be getting better and

know seemed to have a structured regime for getting well. I think all you

need to do is to concentrate on getting ALL YOUR DETOX ORGANS WORKING and

your body should balance and correct itself! THERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS AND YES

GLUTATHIONE IS AT THE HEART OF MY RECOVERY. These are the steps that have

helped

me reverse almost all of my issues over the last 18 months ( Hopefully ill

be feeling even weller for XMAS ) :

1)diet - no wheat or dairy restricts sugar for around 12 months -

***once your glutathione levels are up and you have got to point 5

reintroduce fruits.

2) Raising glutathione & thyroid - whey protein -

***It took me 12 months to raise my glutathione levels - at this point i

felt no difference taking the whey.

3) Killing infections - lactoferrin / coconut oil / Manuka Honey

***After taking the whey for around 3 months ( enough to help detox any

circulating metals ) ***- I took lactoferrin for 4 weeks to wipe out bacteria

***Then i took coconut oil for 4 weeks to wipe out yeast.

***Then i took Manuka honey for 4 weeks to wipe out any remaining gut

bacteria ie h pylori

4) Improving adrenals - licorice / salt

***Take salt in water to correct OI intolerance and reverse potassium

imbalance.

***Adding licorice in the form of a pure licoice sweet is a powerful way to

correct low cortisol.

5) Improving digestion - probiotics / digestive enzyme with oxbile

***Start adding probiotics at this stage as alot of infections would have

been killed off.

***Add Digestive enzyme with ox bile as your body has more than likely

stopped produceing it as your liver is so overwhelmed by all the toxins.

6) Liver / Galbladder flush - Olive oil / grapefruit juice / turmeric /

Apple juice / probiotics

***Include turmeric in your foods for 4 weeks.

***Include apple juice for 4 weeks this will soften stagnant bile in your

gallbladder

***Simply do this liver flush once a week in between detoxing heavy metals.

As once you have started to detox metals some of it will have to be flushed

out of the liver gallbladder to prevent it from re circulating.

7) Bladder Cleanse - OPC's rich fruits

***include lots of OPC rich fruits.

8) Heavy Metals - Coriander herb /Chlorella/ Garlic

***do a metal cleanse once every few days and then liver flush - for around

3 months

***take chlorella 15 mins before eating - then add coriander to your food.

***take a little garlic with foods also

9) Kidney Cleanse - parsley / lemon juice /magnesium /probiotics to flush

out any kidney stones

10) Colon & Bowel Cleanse - Evening Primrose oil / magnesium/ chlorella

11) Vits and Minerals

12) Energy promoting supps

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> What seems to work to keep gut bug issues at a minimum is to - chelate

> with low doses administered at the half life, use diet and supplement

> interventions, address individual problems.

>

> J

>

>

>

> ****HI

>

> Id be interested to know what you have done to raise glutathione or

improve

> gut health and digestion?

>

I'm an adult chelating myself.

My gut problems (and yeast infections) mostly resolved with a

GFCF(legume free, sugar free) diet. I was lucky to trip on the right

diet for me at the right time.

I was following the book " Protein Power Lifeplan " by Eades and Eades.

They claim that the lectins (anti nutritional factors) in grains and

legumes, plus anaerobic fermentation from diets high in carbohydrates,

are what damages the gut. To heal the gut they suggest avoiding

grains, cutting down on carbohydrates, and ensuring adequate high

quality protein. Some of the major nutrients that they say must be

supplied in large quantities to heal the gut are omega 3 oils (fish or

flax), magnesium, and glutamine. I couldn't cut carbohydrates as low

as these authors suggest in their book.

I make lots of soups from bone broths and fresh vegetable juices

because I think the nutrients from these would be readily absorbed.

The only grain I use is rice (the lectins in rice are not as 'bad' as

those in other grains).

My hair test showed that I didn't need digestive enzymes (so I didn't

add any) and that I did need extra stomach acid (this goes with my

poor adrenal function, so I use stomach acid or take ascorbic acid or

lemon juice with meals).

After amalgam removal my plasma cysteine was high, so I didn't do

anything at that point to try to raise glutatione. A year later my

plasma cysteine was low. I supplement the three amino acids that are

used to make glutathione (cysteine in the form of NAC, I already was

taking glutamine, and added glycine). For the body to make

glutathione Mg is needed and B vitamins, especially thiamine. I have

been taking lots of Mg all along and some B vitamins. I added extra

thiamine.

I have been chelating continuously with DMPS for a year. The

chelation is helping me a lot. I expect that as DMPS removes mercury

from my body the enzymes involved in the pathways to make glutathione

will be working better.

J

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>