Re: Sue/was: Horrendous regression- why I am now convinced he has candida in the brain

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Sometimes when kids cycle up and down like this, it can be due to viral issues,

and the yeast doesn't help. When we finally relented to putting ours on an rx

antifungal we could scarcely believe the difference in her fine motor skills as

I'm thinking systemic yeast infections affect her central nervous system.

So, some questions:

How long have you been chelating?

Have you done any antiviral treatment?

There is a time during chelation when either things slow down to a stall or they

get worse. This is usually after a period of great improvement that I think I

heard you post about just prior to your boy's latest troubles. If you keep

chelating it does get better.

I know how disheartening these regressions can be but they are usually short

lived. I hope your little guy is up to par soon.

[ ] Horrendous regression- why I am now convinced he has

candida in the brain

I saw my son wake up the other Tuesday and he had regressed. Ever

since he has been on maximum antifungals but non systemic ones, as

he has reacted so badly to systemic ones in the past. He has been on

antifungals for 7 yrs now. The regression started 3 days after a

round. Everyone correctly says to up the anti yeast protocol but I

knew that short of giving the major players (which he regresses on

severely) we were in fact doing everything correctly. We have been

away for 5 days during which he has exhibited full blown autistic

behaviour in waves, sometimes constantly. His eyes are glazed and he

has thrush down below. All CDSA results have always shown neg to all

bacteria and candida, but the OAT show incredibly high levels, off

the scale, always the same.

Both my partner and I are now convinced it is systemic, probably in

the brain. Has the chelation triggered metal movement and the blow

up of the yeast in the brain? CAn you help me as to the best anti

fungals for systemic use and a good protocol please?

He has reduced PST so I have to watch his diet and detox pathways

are a lot less than normal...

We really have had a stressful and depressing holiday.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Sue, also wanted to say that yeast can become resistant to probiotics you are

using all the time. Have you alternated his probiotics?

[ ] Horrendous regression- why I am now convinced he has

candida in the brain

I saw my son wake up the other Tuesday and he had regressed. Ever

since he has been on maximum antifungals but non systemic ones, as

he has reacted so badly to systemic ones in the past. He has been on

antifungals for 7 yrs now. The regression started 3 days after a

round. Everyone correctly says to up the anti yeast protocol but I

knew that short of giving the major players (which he regresses on

severely) we were in fact doing everything correctly. We have been

away for 5 days during which he has exhibited full blown autistic

behaviour in waves, sometimes constantly. His eyes are glazed and he

has thrush down below. All CDSA results have always shown neg to all

bacteria and candida, but the OAT show incredibly high levels, off

the scale, always the same.

Both my partner and I are now convinced it is systemic, probably in

the brain. Has the chelation triggered metal movement and the blow

up of the yeast in the brain? CAn you help me as to the best anti

fungals for systemic use and a good protocol please?

He has reduced PST so I have to watch his diet and detox pathways

are a lot less than normal...

We really have had a stressful and depressing holiday.

Sue

[Guest guest]

-Thanks very much for your reply ,

We have been chelating Cutler style since Feb this year with big

gaps due to gut problems & yeast but had done nearly a year with

gaps using the negative scheduling and TD creams and didn't see an

improvement until we used the Cutler DMSA/ALA protocol. Then we have

seen gains but had to stop again due to appalling all over body

rashes this autumn. Restarted and had just finished the first round

after that break when this happened.

I have been using Therabiotic, then Culturelle then KM Sacc B and

acidpohilus but maybe I need to use one for longer then rotate.

We did the HD Vit A trial in September then had to pull the CLO due

to fears that he had a toxicity rash. Have just restarted it

yesterday at half a tsp for in case vit A level has dropped now.

He has been on OLE x 3 daily and lauricidin x 2 for some time now. I

am pretty sure it is yeast due to licking, spinning and giggling and

thrush symptoms. I know viruses are a problem as he regressed after

the MMR.

I am worried to chelate with thsi severe yeast. I am wondering if I

should just use ALA for a round as he seemed in the past to respond

well on eac round of this, also less powder for the yeast to eat as

the caps are only small.

What do you think?

Really appreciate your reply

Sue

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<Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> Sue, also wanted to say that yeast can become resistant to

probiotics you are using all the time. Have you alternated his

probiotics?

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Horrendous regression- why I am now

convinced he has candida in the brain

>

> I saw my son wake up the other Tuesday and he had regressed.

Ever

> since he has been on maximum antifungals but non systemic ones,

as

> he has reacted so badly to systemic ones in the past. He has

been on

> antifungals for 7 yrs now. The regression started 3 days after a

> round. Everyone correctly says to up the anti yeast protocol but

I

> knew that short of giving the major players (which he regresses

on

> severely) we were in fact doing everything correctly. We have

been

> away for 5 days during which he has exhibited full blown

autistic

> behaviour in waves, sometimes constantly. His eyes are glazed

and he

> has thrush down below. All CDSA results have always shown neg to

all

> bacteria and candida, but the OAT show incredibly high levels,

off

> the scale, always the same.

>

> Both my partner and I are now convinced it is systemic, probably

in

> the brain. Has the chelation triggered metal movement and the

blow

> up of the yeast in the brain? CAn you help me as to the best

anti

> fungals for systemic use and a good protocol please?

>

> He has reduced PST so I have to watch his diet and detox

pathways

> are a lot less than normal...

>

> We really have had a stressful and depressing holiday.

>

> Sue

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I might try dropping the OLE and Lauricidan and see if I could get his yeast

under better control, or at least during the next round, then try adding them

back when things are more calm.

You might try some Oregon Grape for his yeast, it is said to be effective. I

have also heard others talk about an herb called Kudzu root, I haven't used it

yet, but some reports say it is wonderful for yeast. Giving lots of Biotin has

worked a few times here as has increasing molybdenum, how's his copper levels?

I always feel good using just Ala for a round, works and is good for them, we

even use it alone for a round if ours has a cold.

Hope your little guy feels better in a few days, yeast is very nasty, I hate it.

[ ] Horrendous regression- why I am now

convinced he has candida in the brain

>

> I saw my son wake up the other Tuesday and he had regressed.

Ever

> since he has been on maximum antifungals but non systemic ones,

as

> he has reacted so badly to systemic ones in the past. He has

been on

> antifungals for 7 yrs now. The regression started 3 days after a

> round. Everyone correctly says to up the anti yeast protocol but

I

> knew that short of giving the major players (which he regresses

on

> severely) we were in fact doing everything correctly. We have

been

> away for 5 days during which he has exhibited full blown

autistic

> behaviour in waves, sometimes constantly. His eyes are glazed

and he

> has thrush down below. All CDSA results have always shown neg to

all

> bacteria and candida, but the OAT show incredibly high levels,

off

> the scale, always the same.

>

> Both my partner and I are now convinced it is systemic, probably

in

> the brain. Has the chelation triggered metal movement and the

blow

> up of the yeast in the brain? CAn you help me as to the best

anti

> fungals for systemic use and a good protocol please?

>

> He has reduced PST so I have to watch his diet and detox

pathways

> are a lot less than normal...

>

> We really have had a stressful and depressing holiday.

>

> Sue

>

>

[Guest guest]

Then we have

> seen gains but had to stop again due to appalling all over body

> rashes this autumn. Restarted and had just finished the first round

> after that break when this happened.

> I have been using Therabiotic, then Culturelle then KM Sacc B and

> acidpohilus but maybe I need to use one for longer then rotate.

>

> We did the HD Vit A trial in September then had to pull the CLO due

> to fears that he had a toxicity rash. Have just restarted it

> yesterday at half a tsp for in case vit A level has dropped now.

>

> He has been on OLE x 3 daily and lauricidin x 2 for some time now.

I

> am pretty sure it is yeast due to licking, spinning and giggling

and

> thrush symptoms. I know viruses are a problem as he regressed after

> the MMR.

We've had really good results for yeast with lactobacillus sporogenes

by throne for our dd. We give it every am and then rotate other

probiotics with it for the pm dose. When we first started with it I

gave it 3 times a day untill the rash was gone. We also use OLE

daily and biotin. You may want to drop the lauricidin, it causes

yeast for some. I hope he's feeling better soon.

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Given our experience with OLE and Valtrex and yeast, I think

's suggestion to remove those temporarily makes great sense.

We ended up having to go off the antivirals to get yeast under

control. Even with Rx antifungals, I couldn't get the yeast down

with the antivirals in place. If I were you I would probably hold

off on chelating until yeast is somewhat more manageable. But that

may just be me.

Best,

Anne

> >

> > Sue, also wanted to say that yeast can become resistant to

> probiotics you are using all the time. Have you alternated his

> probiotics?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [ ] Horrendous regression- why I am now

> convinced he has candida in the brain

> >

> > I saw my son wake up the other Tuesday and he had regressed.

> Ever

> > since he has been on maximum antifungals but non systemic ones,

> as

> > he has reacted so badly to systemic ones in the past. He has

> been on

> > antifungals for 7 yrs now. The regression started 3 days after

a

> > round. Everyone correctly says to up the anti yeast protocol

but

> I

> > knew that short of giving the major players (which he regresses

> on

> > severely) we were in fact doing everything correctly. We have

> been

> > away for 5 days during which he has exhibited full blown

> autistic

> > behaviour in waves, sometimes constantly. His eyes are glazed

> and he

> > has thrush down below. All CDSA results have always shown neg

to

> all

> > bacteria and candida, but the OAT show incredibly high levels,

> off

> > the scale, always the same.

> >

> > Both my partner and I are now convinced it is systemic,

probably

> in

> > the brain. Has the chelation triggered metal movement and the

> blow

> > up of the yeast in the brain? CAn you help me as to the best

> anti

> > fungals for systemic use and a good protocol please?

> >

> > He has reduced PST so I have to watch his diet and detox

> pathways

> > are a lot less than normal...

> >

> > We really have had a stressful and depressing holiday.

> >

> > Sue

> >

> >