...very light coloured stools - thank you Neil, , Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your advice Neil, , and Dana

We have never tried Ox Bile or milk thistle, although I have heard of

both of those before. I know milk thistle is very high in oxalates

and my son is on the low oxalate diet but I'm tempted to try it.

I think Ox Bile could be helpful too. I'm not sure how I could get

that into him because it must taste absolutely awful. I wonder about

his stomach acidity. He often has undigested stuff in his stools

despite using enzymes.

I know it is not his diet because my toddler daughter eats all of the

same stuff and she has normal coloured stools. She is still

breastfed too though so that could be clouding the picture.

Dana, I'm not sure about adding back the wheat with enzymes. Before

my son started his recovery with diet change/enzymes/supps he was a

very very skinny little boy. He was pale, weak, and frighteningly

thin - as in his pelvic bones showed through his skin, Yuck. We did

a gluten trial a few months ago (using enzymes) and he has loose

stools for a couple of days. Nothing too serious though.

What was your son's transition like from gf back to gluten in the

diet?

When my son has supplemental calcium his anxiety level skyrockets and

he becomes constipated. He does very well on magnesium - lots of

it.

Oops, baby is awake,

Gotta go,

Thanks again

Leigh Anne

>

> Hi Leigh Anne,

>

> Congratulations on getting the bowels working this well ! I bet he

feels

> much better for it.

>

> Depending on the foods you are giving on the GFCF diet (our boy is

GFCF

> also) the color is lighter automatically.

>

> If he eats a pretty wide variety of foods and it is still unusually

light,

> you could try a little Ox Bile.

>

> There are others who do a lot more with liver support, so I hope

they will

> chime in here.

>

> Good Luck !

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of Leigh Anne Carson

> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:35 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Things are better but very light coloured

stools

>

>

>

> My 4 year old son has been progressing beautifully. As long as I

keep

> his diet gf/cf/sf, LOD, and minimal phenols/salicylates his mood is

> stable. We have been working on healing the gut for years and he

> finally is having daily formed stools. However, the stool colour is

so

> light. I know this relates to liver function.

>

> He is on a pretty standard array of supps...

> Probiotics, cod liver oil, other EFA's, extra vits and minerals,

> houston enzymes, gse when needed

>

> He does not tolerate supplemental b's or calcium.

>

> We have tried taurine and it did not make a difference.

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Many thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Leigh Ann,

I wouldn't worry that much about the low oxylate thing with the milk

thistle.

When are you giving the enzymes ? Maybe you should give them a little

earlier before the meal ?

I wouldn't suggest adding back the Gluten yet, even with the enzymes, since

you worked this hard to make this much progress on the digestion and you are

sure that it was the GFCF that helped. Maybe further down the road would be

better.

If he doesn't swallow pills, it could be a challenge getting the Ox Bile in.

Good Luck,

Neil

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Leigh Anne Carson

Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:21 AM

Subject: [ ] ...very light coloured stools - thank you Neil,

, Dana

Thank you for your advice Neil, , and Dana

We have never tried Ox Bile or milk thistle, although I have heard of

both of those before. I know milk thistle is very high in oxalates

and my son is on the low oxalate diet but I'm tempted to try it.

I think Ox Bile could be helpful too. I'm not sure how I could get

that into him because it must taste absolutely awful. I wonder about

his stomach acidity. He often has undigested stuff in his stools

despite using enzymes.

I know it is not his diet because my toddler daughter eats all of the

same stuff and she has normal coloured stools. She is still

breastfed too though so that could be clouding the picture.

Dana, I'm not sure about adding back the wheat with enzymes. Before

my son started his recovery with diet change/enzymes/supps he was a

very very skinny little boy. He was pale, weak, and frighteningly

thin - as in his pelvic bones showed through his skin, Yuck. We did

a gluten trial a few months ago (using enzymes) and he has loose

stools for a couple of days. Nothing too serious though.

What was your son's transition like from gf back to gluten in the

diet?

When my son has supplemental calcium his anxiety level skyrockets and

he becomes constipated. He does very well on magnesium - lots of

it.

Oops, baby is awake,

Gotta go,

Thanks again

Leigh Anne

>

> Hi Leigh Anne,

>

> Congratulations on getting the bowels working this well ! I bet he

feels

> much better for it.

>

> Depending on the foods you are giving on the GFCF diet (our boy is

GFCF

> also) the color is lighter automatically.

>

> If he eats a pretty wide variety of foods and it is still unusually

light,

> you could try a little Ox Bile.

>

> There are others who do a lot more with liver support, so I hope

they will

> chime in here.

>

> Good Luck !

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto:Autism-

Mercury@groups <mailto:Mercury%40> .com]

> On Behalf Of Leigh Anne Carson

> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:35 PM

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Things are better but very light coloured

stools

>

>

>

> My 4 year old son has been progressing beautifully. As long as I

keep

> his diet gf/cf/sf, LOD, and minimal phenols/salicylates his mood is

> stable. We have been working on healing the gut for years and he

> finally is having daily formed stools. However, the stool colour is

so

> light. I know this relates to liver function.

>

> He is on a pretty standard array of supps...

> Probiotics, cod liver oil, other EFA's, extra vits and minerals,

> houston enzymes, gse when needed

>

> He does not tolerate supplemental b's or calcium.

>

> We have tried taurine and it did not make a difference.

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Many thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> What was your son's transition like from gf back to gluten in the

> diet?

At first, I challenged wheat by adding back bread from a regular

store. My kids regressed, and at first I thought it was the wheat,

but I learned later it was the corn syrup in the bread. Once I found

wheat-based bread without corn syrup, the kids were fine. And the

combination of adding back wheat, and removing rice and corn, caused

noticeable improvements.

On another message board, someone posted that adding taurine can

darken bms.

> When my son has supplemental calcium his anxiety level skyrockets and

> he becomes constipated. He does very well on magnesium - lots of

> it.

Calcium can be constipating if he is severely deficient and it is not

given with magnesium. How much magnesium do you give? Have you ever

tried giving more? Have you tried giving magnesium, vitamin D, and

vitamin K with the calcium?

My son was calcium toxic, but lots of supplements were constipating

for him because he was severely deficient.

Dana