Re: High Molybdenum and High Copper-please help with suggestions-Andy

December 21, 2006

His molybdenum is not that high according to his hair test. If he is

doing well I would continue to give it, as it is needed to counter

copper. The high end of the range is .13 he is .17, which is not a

great elevation. And also remember that this is what he is

excreting..not using. And if he had deranged mineral transport,

these mineral levels many not accurately reflect what he is

utilizing. I cannot determine that without the over/under stats from

the test.

And continue to reduce all sources, including tap water from copper

pipes.

Also he is a bit high in aluminum. Reduce sources as well.

And no ALA unless his copper levels are lower. DMSA is fine.

> >

> > Hi there,

> >

> > I have just been reading through some past posts for HIGH

copper.

> > We have completed 2 rounds of DMSA (1/4 dose), one 3 day, one 5

> > day. I just received my hair results back, however have not

> > received my hair book yet. My 4 1/2 year old 38 lbs is off the

> > charts in copper. I know that increasing the zinc and

Molybdenum

> is

> > suggested. I also saw posts of giving Taurine, glycine, milk

> > thistle and TAPS. He currently takes Zinc mono 75 mg, Moly 300

> mcg,

> > milk thistle 150 mg plus Liverlife. I am going to list his

> results

> > below so if anyone has any recommendations as far as

supplementing

> > him to reduce the Copper that would be wonderful. After round 2

> of

> > chelation (5 days), 2 days after he broke out in a bad case of

> hives

> > and is still getting a few hives a couple times a day. We

haven't

> > chelated since. I know Andy says you can chelate with DMSA if

> high

> > in copper, but doesn't suggest chelating with ALA, is this

> correct?

> > My other question is his test results show .17 for Molybdenum

with

> > reference of .050-.13. This is a little high so would you

suggest

> > increasing for the copper even though this is high. Thanks in

> > advance for any help.

> >

> > Calcium 154 ref 125-370

> > Magnesium 16 ref 12-30

> > Sodium 40 12-90

> > Potassium 97 ref 12-40

> > Copper 79 ref 8.0-16

> > Zinc 110 ref 100-190

> > Manganese .38 ref .20-.55

> > Chromium .38 ref .26-.50

> > Vanadium .072 ref .030-.10

> > Molybdenum .17 ref .050-.13

> > Boron 1.7 ref.60-4.0

> > Iodine 2.1 ref .25-1.3

> > Lithium .062 ref .007-.023

> > Phosphorus 163 ref 163-250

> > Selenium .70 ref .95-1.7

> > Strontium .39 ref .16-1.0

> > Sulfur 46800 ref 4500-53000

> > Barium .26 ref .16-.80

> > Cobalt .007 ref .013-.035

> > Iron 11 ref 8.0-19

> > Germanium .0333 ref .045-.065

> > Rubidium .12 ref .016-.18

> > Zirconium 1.7 ref .040-1.0

> >

> > Aluminum 25 ref less than 8.0

> > Antimony .21 ref less than .066

> > Arsenic .049 ref less than .080

> > Beryllium less than .01 ref less than .020

> > Bismuth .49 ref less than .13

> > Cadmium .009 ref less than .15

> > Lead .39 ref less than 1.0

> > Mercury .12 ref less than .40

> > Platinum less than .003 ref less than .005

> > Thallium less than .001 ref less than .010

> > Thorium .001 ref less than .005

> > Uranium .092 ref less than .060

> > Nickle .12 ref less than .40

> > Silver .06 ref less than .20

> > Tin .37 ref less than .30

> > Titanium .65 ref less than 1.0

> >

> > Thanks for any advice.

> >

> > Darci

> >

>

December 21, 2006

Hi Jan,

Thanks so much for your post. I am not sure what the over and under

stats are to provide you. We live in newer home so I will need to

look into weather we have copper pipes but we do us reverse osmosis

water for drinking and have a water softner throughout our home that

removes chlorine.

Thanks again Jan!!

D

> > >

> > > Hi there,

> > >

> > > I have just been reading through some past posts for HIGH

> copper.

> > > We have completed 2 rounds of DMSA (1/4 dose), one 3 day, one

5

> > > day. I just received my hair results back, however have not

> > > received my hair book yet. My 4 1/2 year old 38 lbs is off

the

> > > charts in copper. I know that increasing the zinc and

> Molybdenum

> > is

> > > suggested. I also saw posts of giving Taurine, glycine, milk

> > > thistle and TAPS. He currently takes Zinc mono 75 mg, Moly

300

> > mcg,

> > > milk thistle 150 mg plus Liverlife. I am going to list his

> > results

> > > below so if anyone has any recommendations as far as

> supplementing

> > > him to reduce the Copper that would be wonderful. After round

2

> > of

> > > chelation (5 days), 2 days after he broke out in a bad case of

> > hives

> > > and is still getting a few hives a couple times a day. We

> haven't

> > > chelated since. I know Andy says you can chelate with DMSA if

> > high

> > > in copper, but doesn't suggest chelating with ALA, is this

> > correct?

> > > My other question is his test results show .17 for Molybdenum

> with

> > > reference of .050-.13. This is a little high so would you

> suggest

> > > increasing for the copper even though this is high. Thanks in

> > > advance for any help.

> > >

> > > Calcium 154 ref 125-370

> > > Magnesium 16 ref 12-30

> > > Sodium 40 12-90

> > > Potassium 97 ref 12-40

> > > Copper 79 ref 8.0-16

> > > Zinc 110 ref 100-190

> > > Manganese .38 ref .20-.55

> > > Chromium .38 ref .26-.50

> > > Vanadium .072 ref .030-.10

> > > Molybdenum .17 ref .050-.13

> > > Boron 1.7 ref.60-4.0

> > > Iodine 2.1 ref .25-1.3

> > > Lithium .062 ref .007-.023

> > > Phosphorus 163 ref 163-250

> > > Selenium .70 ref .95-1.7

> > > Strontium .39 ref .16-1.0

> > > Sulfur 46800 ref 4500-53000

> > > Barium .26 ref .16-.80

> > > Cobalt .007 ref .013-.035

> > > Iron 11 ref 8.0-19

> > > Germanium .0333 ref .045-.065

> > > Rubidium .12 ref .016-.18

> > > Zirconium 1.7 ref .040-1.0

> > >

> > > Aluminum 25 ref less than 8.0

> > > Antimony .21 ref less than .066

> > > Arsenic .049 ref less than .080

> > > Beryllium less than .01 ref less than .020

> > > Bismuth .49 ref less than .13

> > > Cadmium .009 ref less than .15

> > > Lead .39 ref less than 1.0

> > > Mercury .12 ref less than .40

> > > Platinum less than .003 ref less than .005

> > > Thallium less than .001 ref less than .010

> > > Thorium .001 ref less than .005

> > > Uranium .092 ref less than .060

> > > Nickle .12 ref less than .40

> > > Silver .06 ref less than .20

> > > Tin .37 ref less than .30

> > > Titanium .65 ref less than 1.0

> > >

> > > Thanks for any advice.

> > >

> > > Darci

> > >

> >

>

December 21, 2006

-All homes have copper pipes for the most part. Or lead. Since your

home is newer is should be copper. I don't know what the levels

would be in your water with the filters. Ask the dealer of the

filters. Do use a pool, spa etc. that has algacide added. Another

source of copper.

If you check Moria's site it tells you how to post the results of

your test. Which includes whether the essential elements were over

50% or under 50%. This is how we determine how many highs and lows

you have in relation to the counting rules.

-- In , " darciannklotz " <bdnwk1@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> Thanks so much for your post. I am not sure what the over and

under

> stats are to provide you. We live in newer home so I will need to

> look into weather we have copper pipes but we do us reverse

osmosis

> water for drinking and have a water softner throughout our home

that

> removes chlorine.

>

> Thanks again Jan!!

>

> D

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > >

> > > > I have just been reading through some past posts for HIGH

> > copper.

> > > > We have completed 2 rounds of DMSA (1/4 dose), one 3 day,

one

> 5

> > > > day. I just received my hair results back, however have not

> > > > received my hair book yet. My 4 1/2 year old 38 lbs is off

> the

> > > > charts in copper. I know that increasing the zinc and

> > Molybdenum

> > > is

> > > > suggested. I also saw posts of giving Taurine, glycine,

milk

> > > > thistle and TAPS. He currently takes Zinc mono 75 mg, Moly

> 300

> > > mcg,

> > > > milk thistle 150 mg plus Liverlife. I am going to list his

> > > results

> > > > below so if anyone has any recommendations as far as

> > supplementing

> > > > him to reduce the Copper that would be wonderful. After

round

> 2

> > > of

> > > > chelation (5 days), 2 days after he broke out in a bad case

of

> > > hives

> > > > and is still getting a few hives a couple times a day. We

> > haven't

> > > > chelated since. I know Andy says you can chelate with DMSA

if

> > > high

> > > > in copper, but doesn't suggest chelating with ALA, is this

> > > correct?

> > > > My other question is his test results show .17 for

Molybdenum

> > with

> > > > reference of .050-.13. This is a little high so would you

> > suggest

> > > > increasing for the copper even though this is high. Thanks

in

> > > > advance for any help.

> > > >

> > > > Calcium 154 ref 125-370

> > > > Magnesium 16 ref 12-30

> > > > Sodium 40 12-90

> > > > Potassium 97 ref 12-40

> > > > Copper 79 ref 8.0-16

> > > > Zinc 110 ref 100-190

> > > > Manganese .38 ref .20-.55

> > > > Chromium .38 ref .26-.50

> > > > Vanadium .072 ref .030-.10

> > > > Molybdenum .17 ref .050-.13

> > > > Boron 1.7 ref.60-4.0

> > > > Iodine 2.1 ref .25-1.3

> > > > Lithium .062 ref .007-.023

> > > > Phosphorus 163 ref 163-250

> > > > Selenium .70 ref .95-1.7

> > > > Strontium .39 ref .16-1.0

> > > > Sulfur 46800 ref 4500-53000

> > > > Barium .26 ref .16-.80

> > > > Cobalt .007 ref .013-.035

> > > > Iron 11 ref 8.0-19

> > > > Germanium .0333 ref .045-.065

> > > > Rubidium .12 ref .016-.18

> > > > Zirconium 1.7 ref .040-1.0

> > > >

> > > > Aluminum 25 ref less than 8.0

> > > > Antimony .21 ref less than .066

> > > > Arsenic .049 ref less than .080

> > > > Beryllium less than .01 ref less than .020

> > > > Bismuth .49 ref less than .13

> > > > Cadmium .009 ref less than .15

> > > > Lead .39 ref less than 1.0

> > > > Mercury .12 ref less than .40

> > > > Platinum less than .003 ref less than .005

> > > > Thallium less than .001 ref less than .010

> > > > Thorium .001 ref less than .005

> > > > Uranium .092 ref less than .060

> > > > Nickle .12 ref less than .40

> > > > Silver .06 ref less than .20

> > > > Tin .37 ref less than .30

> > > > Titanium .65 ref less than 1.0

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any advice.

> > > >

> > > > Darci

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 21, 2006

Hi Jan,

We have been in our new home for a year now and my son's last hair

test was in Jan. of 2006 which was a 19 and now a 79. We had just

moved in when his last hair test was done. Now I can only wonder

about our water. Do you know of a test to test water for copper?

He was drinking bottled water before moving in and we had a reverse

osmosis put in, but now I am wondering if it is clearing out copper

or not. Do you know if bottled water contains copper or not? I

also am wondering why his blood comes up low copper. It seems he

must be excreting copper if it is in his hair, is this correct?

Maybe I should go back to bottled water for drinking until I can

confirm that the reverse osmosis is clear of copper. Thanks for the

information. I am going to try and find the information you

mentioned on Moria's site.

Thanks again.

Darci

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi there,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have just been reading through some past posts for HIGH

> > > copper.

> > > > > We have completed 2 rounds of DMSA (1/4 dose), one 3 day,

> one

> > 5

> > > > > day. I just received my hair results back, however have

not

> > > > > received my hair book yet. My 4 1/2 year old 38 lbs is

off

> > the

> > > > > charts in copper. I know that increasing the zinc and

> > > Molybdenum

> > > > is

> > > > > suggested. I also saw posts of giving Taurine, glycine,

> milk

> > > > > thistle and TAPS. He currently takes Zinc mono 75 mg,

Moly

> > 300

> > > > mcg,

> > > > > milk thistle 150 mg plus Liverlife. I am going to list

his

> > > > results

> > > > > below so if anyone has any recommendations as far as

> > > supplementing

> > > > > him to reduce the Copper that would be wonderful. After

> round

> > 2

> > > > of

> > > > > chelation (5 days), 2 days after he broke out in a bad

case

> of

> > > > hives

> > > > > and is still getting a few hives a couple times a day. We

> > > haven't

> > > > > chelated since. I know Andy says you can chelate with

DMSA

> if

> > > > high

> > > > > in copper, but doesn't suggest chelating with ALA, is this

> > > > correct?

> > > > > My other question is his test results show .17 for

> Molybdenum

> > > with

> > > > > reference of .050-.13. This is a little high so would you

> > > suggest

> > > > > increasing for the copper even though this is high.

Thanks

> in

> > > > > advance for any help.

> > > > >

> > > > > Calcium 154 ref 125-370

> > > > > Magnesium 16 ref 12-30

> > > > > Sodium 40 12-90

> > > > > Potassium 97 ref 12-40

> > > > > Copper 79 ref 8.0-16

> > > > > Zinc 110 ref 100-190

> > > > > Manganese .38 ref .20-.55

> > > > > Chromium .38 ref .26-.50

> > > > > Vanadium .072 ref .030-.10

> > > > > Molybdenum .17 ref .050-.13

> > > > > Boron 1.7 ref.60-4.0

> > > > > Iodine 2.1 ref .25-1.3

> > > > > Lithium .062 ref .007-.023

> > > > > Phosphorus 163 ref 163-250

> > > > > Selenium .70 ref .95-1.7

> > > > > Strontium .39 ref .16-1.0

> > > > > Sulfur 46800 ref 4500-53000

> > > > > Barium .26 ref .16-.80

> > > > > Cobalt .007 ref .013-.035

> > > > > Iron 11 ref 8.0-19

> > > > > Germanium .0333 ref .045-.065

> > > > > Rubidium .12 ref .016-.18

> > > > > Zirconium 1.7 ref .040-1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Aluminum 25 ref less than 8.0

> > > > > Antimony .21 ref less than .066

> > > > > Arsenic .049 ref less than .080

> > > > > Beryllium less than .01 ref less than .020

> > > > > Bismuth .49 ref less than .13

> > > > > Cadmium .009 ref less than .15

> > > > > Lead .39 ref less than 1.0

> > > > > Mercury .12 ref less than .40

> > > > > Platinum less than .003 ref less than .005

> > > > > Thallium less than .001 ref less than .010

> > > > > Thorium .001 ref less than .005

> > > > > Uranium .092 ref less than .060

> > > > > Nickle .12 ref less than .40

> > > > > Silver .06 ref less than .20

> > > > > Tin .37 ref less than .30

> > > > > Titanium .65 ref less than 1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any advice.

> > > > >

> > > > > Darci

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 21, 2006

Darci,

We have a RO system as well and it certainly would remove copper.

First thing to check is that your RO system is not in Maintenance/Bypass

mode. You would be getting water, but it wouldn't be going through the RO

system.

If the blood tests are coming back low copper, then the Moly and Zinc are

probably working.

My guess is that last summer you did a quite a lot of swimming in pools, the

chemicals to kill algie are high in copper, that probably soaked directly

into the hair thus skewing the results. If you are getting low copper in

the blood, and the hair test results are just barely on the high side, I

would consider not worrying so much about it and get on with chelating with

DMSA.

Our son had this very same situation and we concluded that it was from all

the pool time and moved on.

Good Luck !

Neil

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with suggestions-Andy