Re: need some help re: TD-ALA

[Guest guest]

Hello Harumi,

Firstly, congratulations on taking the initiative to divide the doses over

the day instead of 1 large dose, a wise decision IMHO.

Are you 100% sure that each syringe is the TOTAL amount that you describe?

I would double check that.

Assuming that the amount in each syringe is as you describe, then you are

giving 7mg ALA per dose and 9mg DMPS per dose.

This is well below the maximum amount per AC protocol, I would not suspect

the dosing or timing as you have done a fine job with that.

I would turn my attention to Yeast first as the symptoms you describe seem

to fit.

Have you tried using GSE and Candex and/or No-Fenol ? Perhaps this would

help get the " Yeast Beast " under control.

Also, make sure you are giving LOTS of multi-strain Pro-Biotics.

You will want to make sure you are providing enough supplement support as

well.

You asked about TD vs. Oral. We don't use the TD, and it seems to me that

if your 7yo can swallow pills that you could best control his input of

chelators by doing the Oral, plus it is cheaper.

Good Luck !

Neil

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of harumistew

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:34 PM

Subject: [ ] need some help re: TD-ALA

Hi all,

I always appreciate advice here - I ask questions but sometimes days

go by without my responding back and I feel it's too late to thank

everyone who give advice - but I always appreciate your help here.

Anyway - I can use some help again... I started TD- ALA for my 7 year

old for the first time last weekend along with TD-DMPS (he has done 9

cycles of td-dmps alone)and he is very fridgety and crapping hands,

banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

'graduated' from those crapping business long long time ago...and I am

wondering if those behaviors are due to TD-ALA.

He is about 54 lbs and my DAN! prescribed 36mg of DMPS and 50 mg of

ALA per day. They are in a syringe so it is hard to devide into 7

does/day so what I came up with was to give TD-ALA 7 times a day every

3 hours during the day and 4 hours at night and to that 4 out of 7

times I add TD-DMPS.

He has yeast issues and he has been taking 50mg of diflucan for the

last 3 weeks - he is not too yeasty but he still has yeast I think.

Is his behavior something to do with dosing timing, or amount? It is

hard to know exact amount as they are cream...

Also I would like to hear pros/cons about transdermal chelators...if

you are not comfortable please contact me off list.

Thanks so much,

Harumi

[Guest guest]

That's a lot of ALA. My son took 50 mg. and he's 125 lbs.

Barb

[ ] need some help re: TD-ALA

Hi all,

I always appreciate advice here - I ask questions but sometimes days

go by without my responding back and I feel it's too late to thank

everyone who give advice - but I always appreciate your help here.

Anyway - I can use some help again... I started TD- ALA for my 7 year

old for the first time last weekend along with TD-DMPS (he has done 9

cycles of td-dmps alone)and he is very fridgety and crapping hands,

banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

'graduated' from those crapping business long long time ago...and I am

wondering if those behaviors are due to TD-ALA.

He is about 54 lbs and my DAN! prescribed 36mg of DMPS and 50 mg of

ALA per day. They are in a syringe so it is hard to devide into 7

does/day so what I came up with was to give TD-ALA 7 times a day every

3 hours during the day and 4 hours at night and to that 4 out of 7

times I add TD-DMPS.

He has yeast issues and he has been taking 50mg of diflucan for the

last 3 weeks - he is not too yeasty but he still has yeast I think.

Is his behavior something to do with dosing timing, or amount? It is

hard to know exact amount as they are cream...

Also I would like to hear pros/cons about transdermal chelators...if

you are not comfortable please contact me off list.

Thanks so much,

Harumi

[Guest guest]

I don't think 50 mgs is a lot of ala per DAY. We use 16.5 mgs, every 3 hours,

dosed 7 times per day, which would be about 115 mgs per DAY and ours is only 47

lbs. Maybe I am misunderstanding here.

[ ] need some help re: TD-ALA

Hi all,

I always appreciate advice here - I ask questions but sometimes days

go by without my responding back and I feel it's too late to thank

everyone who give advice - but I always appreciate your help here.

Anyway - I can use some help again... I started TD- ALA for my 7 year

old for the first time last weekend along with TD-DMPS (he has done 9

cycles of td-dmps alone)and he is very fridgety and crapping hands,

banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

'graduated' from those crapping business long long time ago...and I am

wondering if those behaviors are due to TD-ALA.

He is about 54 lbs and my DAN! prescribed 36mg of DMPS and 50 mg of

ALA per day. They are in a syringe so it is hard to devide into 7

does/day so what I came up with was to give TD-ALA 7 times a day every

3 hours during the day and 4 hours at night and to that 4 out of 7

times I add TD-DMPS.

He has yeast issues and he has been taking 50mg of diflucan for the

last 3 weeks - he is not too yeasty but he still has yeast I think.

Is his behavior something to do with dosing timing, or amount? It is

hard to know exact amount as they are cream...

Also I would like to hear pros/cons about transdermal chelators...if

you are not comfortable please contact me off list.

Thanks so much,

Harumi

[Guest guest]

>>and he is very fridgety and crapping hands,

> banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

> input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

> 'graduated' from those crapping business long long time ago...

If you mean " cramping " , that was mineral deficiency for my kids.

Banging hands on doors can mean mineral deficiency, B6 toxicity, or a

few other things.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Although I think it is difficult to know what a child is getting

with transdermals, I also don't think 50 mgs/day of ALA is

excessive. My son also gets 16.5 mgs (oral) per dose (trying 20

now, but this may be our last 20 mg dosing for some time :0), dosed

every three hours during the day, 4 at night. Maybe Barb used 50

mgs per dose for her 125 pounder?

Anne

>

> I don't think 50 mgs is a lot of ala per DAY. We use 16.5 mgs,

every 3 hours, dosed 7 times per day, which would be about 115 mgs

per DAY and ours is only 47 lbs. Maybe I am misunderstanding here.

>

>

>

> [ ] need some help re: TD-ALA

>

> Hi all,

>

> I always appreciate advice here - I ask questions but sometimes

days

> go by without my responding back and I feel it's too late to

thank

> everyone who give advice - but I always appreciate your help

here.

>

> Anyway - I can use some help again... I started TD- ALA for my 7

year

> old for the first time last weekend along with TD-DMPS (he has

done 9

> cycles of td-dmps alone)and he is very fridgety and crapping

hands,

> banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

> input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

> 'graduated' from those crapping business long long time

ago...and I am

> wondering if those behaviors are due to TD-ALA.

>

> He is about 54 lbs and my DAN! prescribed 36mg of DMPS and 50 mg

of

> ALA per day. They are in a syringe so it is hard to devide into 7

> does/day so what I came up with was to give TD-ALA 7 times a day

every

> 3 hours during the day and 4 hours at night and to that 4 out of

7

> times I add TD-DMPS.

>

> He has yeast issues and he has been taking 50mg of diflucan for

the

> last 3 weeks - he is not too yeasty but he still has yeast I

think.

>

> Is his behavior something to do with dosing timing, or amount?

It is

> hard to know exact amount as they are cream...

>

> Also I would like to hear pros/cons about transdermal

chelators...if

> you are not comfortable please contact me off list.

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Harumi

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Thanks so much for responding...

Neil,

I will try to increase the amount to 1/4 of his weight next round. I

am not sure if I should skip this weekend as I was so stressed out

about not being able to wake up to give the dose at night, and I had

hard time going back to sleep...I may stay up late anyway so maybe I

should do it or I should give a xmas gift to 'take a break. I know

many of you have done this for such a long time and I apologize for

being such a baby...someimes it gets too much to handle.

You mentioned about 'lots of probiotics'...how much do you mean? I

give 2 caps of pro bio-gold...isn't that enough?

Barb,

As and Anne mentioned, I think too that you misread what I

wrote - 55mgs of ALA per day, not per dose. Thanks for warning though.

Danna,

Thanks for good advice as always.

We did urine toxic test after 8 rounds of DMPS(before we added ALA).

I wasn't sure about transdermal, but his lead and mercury levels were

in 'elevated' zone and much higher than before starting chelation.

And theessential element result showed that Sam is deficient in

Calcium. Thisis the same as before chelation...My DAN! told me to

supplement Calcium...should I add magnecium also? I am worried that

he may get constipated by getting more calcium solo.

I meant " cLapping " not " cRapping " - I am still confused with Ls and

Rs- if you watch 'Lost in Translation,' you understand why the

Japanese get mixed up with Ls and Rs!

Regarding B6, he takes 16mg from multivitamin (Biocare-UK brand) -

would that be too high? He has been taking this much for a while so it

is hard to think he is toxic with B6 all the sudden?

Thanks so much again!

Harumi

> >>and he is very fridgety and crapping hands,

> > banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

> > input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

> > 'graduated' from those crapping business long long time ago...

>

>

> If you mean " cramping " , that was mineral deficiency for my kids.

>

> Banging hands on doors can mean mineral deficiency, B6 toxicity, or a

> few other things.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Harumi,

2 caps of pro bio gold is probably good as long as it is given away from

food or GSE.

Are you giving him much Zinc ? Our boy did a lot of “banging around” before

we increased his Zinc.

I would be careful about increasing the amount you are giving until you get

a grip on why he is acting goofy, ¼ his weight is not excessive but I

wouldn’t ramp up the chelators too fast.

Please post your yeast control protocol.

Good Luck !

Neil

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of harumistew

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:07 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: need some help re: TD-ALA

Hi everyone,

Thanks so much for responding...

Neil,

I will try to increase the amount to 1/4 of his weight next round. I

am not sure if I should skip this weekend as I was so stressed out

about not being able to wake up to give the dose at night, and I had

hard time going back to sleep...I may stay up late anyway so maybe I

should do it or I should give a xmas gift to 'take a break. I know

many of you have done this for such a long time and I apologize for

being such a baby...someimes it gets too much to handle.

You mentioned about 'lots of probiotics'...how much do you mean? I

give 2 caps of pro bio-gold...isn't that enough?

Barb,

As and Anne mentioned, I think too that you misread what I

wrote - 55mgs of ALA per day, not per dose. Thanks for warning though.

Danna,

Thanks for good advice as always.

We did urine toxic test after 8 rounds of DMPS(before we added ALA).

I wasn't sure about transdermal, but his lead and mercury levels were

in 'elevated' zone and much higher than before starting chelation.

And theessential element result showed that Sam is deficient in

Calcium. Thisis the same as before chelation...My DAN! told me to

supplement Calcium...should I add magnecium also? I am worried that

he may get constipated by getting more calcium solo.

I meant " cLapping " not " cRapping " - I am still confused with Ls and

Rs- if you watch 'Lost in Translation,' you understand why the

Japanese get mixed up with Ls and Rs!

Regarding B6, he takes 16mg from multivitamin (Biocare-UK brand) -

would that be too high? He has been taking this much for a while so it

is hard to think he is toxic with B6 all the sudden?

Thanks so much again!

Harumi

> >>and he is very fridgety and crapping hands,

> > banging his hands on the doors, stumping a lot(seeking sensory

> > input)...he is fridgety quite often but not this much... also he

> > 'graduated' from those crapping business long long time ago...

>

>

> If you mean " cramping " , that was mineral deficiency for my kids.

>

> Banging hands on doors can mean mineral deficiency, B6 toxicity, or a

> few other things.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> And theessential element result showed that Sam is deficient in

> Calcium. Thisis the same as before chelation...My DAN! told me to

> supplement Calcium...should I add magnecium also? I am worried that

> he may get constipated by getting more calcium solo.

Calcium needs magnesium and vitamin D for proper absorption. I have

also read vitamin K as well. I would at least give it with magnesium,

unless there are problems doing it that way.

> I meant " cLapping " not " cRapping " - I am still confused with Ls and

> Rs- if you watch 'Lost in Translation,' you understand why the

> Japanese get mixed up with Ls and Rs!

I have not seen that movie, but I have worked with a Japanese lady in

the past. Yes, she used R a lot!

> Regarding B6, he takes 16mg from multivitamin (Biocare-UK brand) -

> would that be too high?

Not usually. It seems rather low, altho would be high if he was fully

loaded with B6.

>> He has been taking this much for a while so it

> is hard to think he is toxic with B6 all the sudden?

Try missing his dose for a day, see what happens, if anything.

Dana