Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red tush, so I don't think it is yeast. It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are still working on that so it could be the chlorine. We give epsom salt baths every night. Any thoughts? Thanks. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I think dark eye circles can be associated with viral issues. Anne > > I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start > near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning > (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is > getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. > Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. > > His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red > tush, so I don't think it is yeast. > > It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good > about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral > problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. > > Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some > days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are > still working on that so it could be the chlorine. > > We give epsom salt baths every night. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Can you please share with me viral protocal after my son has same problem. Thanks Keda Abid Khan <a_bit_solutions@...> wrote: All I can say is that Stan Kurtz's boy had the same symptom (dark eye circles). He used a viral protocal to recover his child. Yes, the dark eye circles went away. Kathy <cksilverman@...> wrote: I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red tush, so I don't think it is yeast. It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are still working on that so it could be the chlorine. We give epsom salt baths every night. Any thoughts? Thanks. Kathy --------------------------------- All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Keda, The following was written by Stan Kurtz. You may want to join the MB12Valtrex group. Stan lives there and can answer your questions regarding viruses and his protocal better then me. Good luck! How to get started A simple strategy is to first decision about your antifungal strategy. Personally I believe the safest, simplest and most effective agents for this is using oral Diflucan, or Nizoral (and I sometimes mention amphotericin . They are very effective and they have a proven track record of safety to not be relatively non-toxic. Others opt to try naturals and some have success with products like Candex, or Caprilic Acid, Biotin, Grape Seed Extract (GSE) and a growing list of things that I will put in my introduction letter I will hopefully finish this weekend. Personally, if I was just getting started today, based on my personal philosophy of going what is most effective and not caring what the administration was, meaning I don't mind using a medicine as long as it's one that is science based, safe, proven, non-toxic, and effective, then I would start with either Diflucan or Nizoral (or my third choice Amphotericin . Additionally, there is recent research that shows that these medicines are helping a large set of our kids who have testosterone issues, and I won't get into the details in this post, but normalizing testosterone seems to be a major factor in lowering bacteria levels, raising glutathione levels and this activity may be a very important element of a good portion of our children's recovery. So bascially, IMO, you are safely covering two bases with one therapy. If you are one of those folks who wants to go all natural, and don't mind the risk that some of the naturals may not work as well for your child, then exploring the list of naturals may make sense to you. I feel we will come up with a list of naturals to use and figure out what works best for what child, but right now it's a bit of a trial and error scenario, but an important one because if we can figure it out it will save a lot of people money and headaches in dealing with doctors... Rx's etc. But, again... today if I was just getting started I would go with Diflucan or Nizoral. Next is the antiviral agent. After a lot of thinking... today I believe the place to start if you can afford it or have insurance is Valtrex. While we have seen gains with natural agents, we do not have more than handful of possible recoveries from them yet. Yes, we have a growing list of improvements, but comparatively I have 50 pages of children who have greatly improved or recovered from the use of Valtrex. My son being one of them. He continually improved on Valtrex and was off the spectrum in a matter of months. He was on Valtrex for a total of 9 months and has been free of any biomedical therapies for more than year now. And this was a metals toxic child with physical and behavioral impairments, so he not only recovered virally but he also detoxed and cleared his gut issues in a more natural way, through antiviral therapy. In the last few months we've confirmed that there is a metals dumping effect with Valtrex for at least some people, my son was one, we have test results of before and after on others. We also know that Valtrex modulated adenosine. Many of our kids have high or low adenosine levels and prior to Dr. Sid Baker publishing his study results about acyclovir and adenosine, we didn't have another therapy for this. Valtrex quickly converts into acyclovir, but the added values of Valtrex is that it is less toxic, more bioavailable and it crosses the blood brain barrier, which is where our kids often have inflammation, (according to the 's Hopkins study that came out last year and also mentioned recently in Time Magazine). Both Valtrex and the Naturals often result in what we call a healing-regression, which is a period of time when the child is healing but looks like they are regressing. It is similar to a die off effect, but at the same time we believe there is metals detox going on as well as immune system and metabolic restoration from the methylation changes and the lessening of the viral load. There also seems to be an increase in fungus during antiviral therapy and initially there is probably a kill off of this new fungus. The process is often greatly lessened by having the antifungal in place prior to starting the antiviral. This healing-regression typically lasts 20 to 40 days. Some folks also report never see a regression and only see gains... A SMALLER MINORITY of folks experience the regression for more than 40 days and folks in that situation often go to a lower dosage, take a break and return later, or possibly the best option move to another agent like Famvir or Acyclovir which seem to work more slowly and then try Valtrex again after a period of time. We've seen some nice posts from parents who worked through really difficult cases with this strategy and I applaud them. What you don't want to IMO, is try an agent like Famvir or Acyclovir first, because you may trigger the virus to mutate or build a bit of resistance (this is just my observation). Lastly, some of these folks who have had a healing regression longer than 40 days might move off of Valtrex at that point, switch to an Natural like OLE or Virastop for while and then move back to Valtrex (or try both) if their child doesn't have a full recovery with the Natural (which I have not seen a report of a recovery from a natural yet... although we've seen nice improvements). After the healing-regression and the typical gains we see thereafter, if you see consistent gains that look like you are recovery bound, like in the case of my son, I would not change anything. If you see gains and then a plateau, I would consider ADDING a natural like OLE. Then if you continue to see gains I would not change anything or I might try adding Virastop and seeing what happens. One you have this part of your viral strategy under control, the next step would be to consider therapies that flush out Measles virus, which include a two day High Dose Vitamin A trial, and then Lauricidin. The group (and hopefully your good DAN! doc) will help you with the nuances of each strategy, but I think this is a good framework to start with. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a PhD. but I do have the unique perspective of having the position of reading the thousands of posts and hundreds of trials from this group, and also of having a recovered child. Thank you for your question. It helped me clear up some of my thinking and I'll use some of this post in my framework for a " How to get started " document. Welcome, good luck, and keep us posted on your progress and questions. All the best, - Stan keda dervishi <kddervishi@...> wrote: Can you please share with me viral protocal after my son has same problem. Thanks Keda Abid Khan <a_bit_solutions@...> wrote: All I can say is that Stan Kurtz's boy had the same symptom (dark eye circles). He used a viral protocal to recover his child. Yes, the dark eye circles went away. Kathy <cksilverman@...> wrote: I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red tush, so I don't think it is yeast. It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are still working on that so it could be the chlorine. We give epsom salt baths every night. Any thoughts? Thanks. 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Interestingly, I had significantly dark circles under my eyes during my recent vacation even though I was getting adequate/extra sleep. It appeared to be worse in the mornings and faded somewhat as each day went along. I suspect unfiltered shower water and chemical-laden bedding (though not particularly smelly). (At home we sleep on a chemical-free futon and have a whole house water filter.) At both the hotel and the B & B we were in smoke-free rooms. However, at the hotel, I suspect that although they appeared to have switched out the drapes, carpet, and bedding when they switched to smoke-free, the wall paint had a faint smell of smoke. S S <br> ><br> > I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles.<br> They start <br> > near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in<br> the morning <br> > (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse.<br> <br> For my son, intolerance [especially phenol intolerance]<wbr>, yeast<br> overgrowth, certain supplements, and virus issues.<br> <br> Because you say it increases over the day, I would consider<br> intolerances first.<br> <br> > His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl<br> smelling. no red <br> > tush, so I don't think it is yeast.<br> <br> If the yeast is not in the GI tract, it can still be yeast and not<br> affect the bm.<br> <br> >>He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are <br> > still working on that so it could be the chlorine.<br> <br> Try adding taurine if you don't already give it, and increase your<br> yeast protocol. Chlorine intolerance is helped by taurine, and<br> chlorine tends to increase yeast.<br> <br> Dana<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 My accupressure person says that dark circles under the eyes (when there has been enough sleep) indicate that the liver is overloaded with something and not able to keep up with the detox. It can be food, chemicals, virus, bacteria, etc. Her perspective comes from her training with Shiatsu accupressure (she's at the master level) and her studies with some well known natural healer in India. I've generally found it to be true for us. When we see dark circles, we try to figure out what's causing the toxic overload, eliminate the exposure, give detox support, and they go away pretty fast. Just another opinion to consider. > > I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start > near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning > (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is > getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. > Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. > > His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red > tush, so I don't think it is yeast. > > It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good > about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral > problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. > > Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some > days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are > still working on that so it could be the chlorine. > > We give epsom salt baths every night. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 my son's eyes will change from day to day. How can we tell what it is? What do you use for detox? [ ] Re: dark eye circles My accupressure person says that dark circles under the eyes (when there has been enough sleep) indicate that the liver is overloaded with something and not able to keep up with the detox. It can be food, chemicals, virus, bacteria, etc. Her perspective comes from her training with Shiatsu accupressure (she's at the master level) and her studies with some well known natural healer in India. I've generally found it to be true for us. When we see dark circles, we try to figure out what's causing the toxic overload, eliminate the exposure, give detox support, and they go away pretty fast. Just another opinion to consider. > > I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start > near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning > (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is > getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. > Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. > > His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red > tush, so I don't think it is yeast. > > It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good > about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral > problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. > > Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some > days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are > still working on that so it could be the chlorine. > > We give epsom salt baths every night. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I've heard that dark ey circles indicate viral issues and therefore a viral protocal may be required. M5th <m4thmiller@...> wrote: my son's eyes will change from day to day. How can we tell what it is? What do you use for detox? [ ] Re: dark eye circles My accupressure person says that dark circles under the eyes (when there has been enough sleep) indicate that the liver is overloaded with something and not able to keep up with the detox. It can be food, chemicals, virus, bacteria, etc. Her perspective comes from her training with Shiatsu accupressure (she's at the master level) and her studies with some well known natural healer in India. I've generally found it to be true for us. When we see dark circles, we try to figure out what's causing the toxic overload, eliminate the exposure, give detox support, and they go away pretty fast. Just another opinion to consider. > > I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. They start > near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in the morning > (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I think he is > getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be better. > Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. > > His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl smelling. no red > tush, so I don't think it is yeast. > > It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do pretty good > about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has behavioral > problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. > > Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this summer - some > days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool and we are > still working on that so it could be the chlorine. > > We give epsom salt baths every night. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Kathy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 We keep really close track of what he eats every day (he's on a rotation diet with specific foods for specific days) so it's pretty easy to tell if, for example, the problem or a certain symptom (such as small purple circles, large ones, puffy and large, etc.) is always on day 3 it's a day 3 food. We also look for patterns in how things look on school days versus home days, days in the polluted city versus at home in a rural area, days at the barn, if they have been cleaning at school, if he's gotten something new that may have a chemical or smell, if someone in the neighborhood has been painting their house or fertilizing, etc. It takes awhile to get used to, but if you keep close track, you can usually narrow things down to a few possibilities. After that, we eliminate them all, then after about a week or 10 days, introduce one and see what happens, then the next day, another one. Usually can find the culprit(s) that way. One thing to keep in mind is that what may cause a reaction (such as purple circles) may not on a different day because for some reason, your overall immune load is lower (say you have been away from school where they use lots of toxic cleaners for a week, versus there on a day when they are cleaning heavily). This makes it a little trickier and at first, it helps to keep really good notes. Later on, it's pretty easy to spot. For extra detox, we do an extra heat + FIR sauna, or a few if his eye symptoms don't look better. Doris Rapp, M.D. talks about the immune load and elimination in her book Is this Your Child's World? Despite the subtitle that has to do with school, it is really good for every aspect of your environment. The lines on a person's face, the detailed characteristics of where there are, how deep they are, the purple circles and the detailed nuances of how they look can give clues to which organs are under stress, according to Oriental medicine. As I've learned more and more of this from an expert in Oriental medicine, I'm finding it rings more and more true. > > my son's eyes will change from day to day. How can we tell what it is? > What do you use for detox? > > > [ ] Re: dark eye circles > > > > My accupressure person says that dark circles under the eyes (when > there has been enough sleep) indicate that the liver is overloaded > with something and not able to keep up with the detox. It can be food, > chemicals, virus, bacteria, etc. Her perspective comes from her > training with Shiatsu accupressure (she's at the master level) and her > studies with some well known natural healer in India. I've generally > found it to be true for us. When we see dark circles, we try to figure > out what's causing the toxic overload, eliminate the exposure, give > detox support, and they go away pretty fast. Just another opinion to > consider. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1296679 > > > > I am trying to figure out what is causing my son's dark eye circles. > They start > > near the tear duct and go down and out. They look not too bad in > the morning > > (still noticeable by me) but as the day goes on, they look worse. I > think he is > > getting almost enough sleep - 1/2 hour earlier bed time would be > better. > > Could be tired, but I don't really think this is the answer. > > > > His stools are great - slightly strong poop smell, but not fowl > smelling. no red > > tush, so I don't think it is yeast. > > > > It could be food related - I am trying to track that down - we do > pretty good > > about rotating food. And typically, when he reacts to food, he has > behavioral > > problems or night wakings and he doesn't have any of these. > > > > Any other thoughts? It is driving me crazy. They started this > summer - some > > days they look better. He did have issues with the chlorine pool > and we are > > still working on that so it could be the chlorine. > > > > We give epsom salt baths every night. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 He is on Olive leaf extract 2X/day. They seem to have gotten darker this past week. [ ] Re: dark eye circles My accupressure person says that dark circles under the eyes (when there has been enough sleep) indicate that the liver is overloaded with something and not able to keep up with the detox. It can be food, chemicals, virus, bacteria, etc. Her perspective comes from her training with Shiatsu accupressure (she's at the master level) and her studies with some well known natural healer in India. I've generally found it to be true for us. When we see dark circles, we try to figure out what's causing the toxic overload, eliminate the exposure, give detox support, and they go away pretty fast. Just another opinion to consider. authorized to give medical advice: doctors. Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe Shortcut URL: Answers to common questions: /files/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ <;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcW43a21wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkA zQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE2MDAwNjE2MTYEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzExNjA0O Dc4NTE-> Change < /join;_ylc=X3oDMTJldnJkY2o1 BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE2MDAwNjE2MTYEc2VjA2Z0cgRz bGsDc3RuZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTE2MDQ4Nzg1MQ--> settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch <mailto: -digest ?subject=Email Delivery: Digest> delivery to Daily Digest | Switch <mailto: -traditional ?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional> format to Traditional Visit < ;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbXNhaGJuBF9TA zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE2MDAwNjE2MTYEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDa HBmBHN0aW1lAzExNjA0ODc4NTE-> Your Group | <> Terms of Use | Unsubscribe <mailto: -unsubscribe ?subject=> Recent Activity * 26 New < /members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbG0wc jRvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE2MDAwNjE2MTYEc2VjA3Z0b ARzbGsDdm1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE2MDQ4Nzg1MQ--> Members * 1 New < /links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOXJlMnN rBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE2MDAwNjE2MTYEc2VjA3Z0bAR zbGsDdmxpbmtzBHN0aW1lAzExNjA0ODc4NTE-> Links Visit < ;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMTV0c2I5BF9TA zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE2MDAwNjE2MTYEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDd mdocARzdGltZQMxMTYwNDg3ODUx> Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 It may be working on bringing out the viruses and eliminating them. Wait to see if the circles go away. Also food related. In our family it was a dairy intolerance. my son's > eyes will change from day to day. How can we tell what it is? > What do you use for detox? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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