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hi I am new to this list also, and quite confused. So many protocols,

so many different ways to do this!

You may want to watch and read for a while before you make a decision to do

anything. Most will tell you that hyperactivity on B vitamins means they are

working and just something you have to 'work through' for a while. Have you had

any blood/hair/urine testing done for your daughter? This list is great at

interpreting all that stuff for you.

Welcome and good luck

Amy

<pmroysdon@...> wrote:

Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very tough

time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put under

the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD at

age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance

came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there,

too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased

hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of the

question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out on

chelation. Any suggestions?

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Hello , Welcome to the group !

Have you read the Files section ? Have you done a Direct Labs (DDI) Hair

test ? Does your girl have any " silver " (mercury) fillings ?

Our older son who is pretty much NT used to have big mood swings till we cut

out Dairy for him, his dark circles under his eyes went away and so did his

mood swings.

We also give him some supps, Kirkmans SNT, EFA's and Stinging Nettle has

really cleared up his allergies. We will get around to chelating him when I

can afford it, kind of low on funds with the GFCF, supps and chelation for

our younger boy.

2 things that help a LOT for mood stabilization are lots of EFA's and

Magnesium (possibly Epsom salt baths), if you get the hair test you may also

find lithium is low.

Do some reading and feel free to post more details, if you get the hair test

there is a file showing how to post that also.

Good Luck !

Neil

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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Confusion for a new member

Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very tough

time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put under

the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD at

age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance

came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there,

too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased

hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of the

question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out on

chelation. Any suggestions?

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How many mercury amalgam dental fillings does she have? Was she vaccinated?

Please read the FAQs of this about Andy's protocol and the reasoning behind it.

S S

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<p>Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other

parents. <br>

It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not <br>

straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very tough <br>

time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She <br>

is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put under <br>

the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD at <br>

age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance <br>

came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there, <br>

too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when <br>

the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain <br>

medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased <br>

hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of the <br>

question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate <br>

trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out on <br>

chelation. Any suggestions?<br>

<br>

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,

Welcome.

Start with a " Hair Element Test " from Doctor's Data (DDI). Non-

invasive and potentially quite revealing. Unless you live in New

York, these tests are easy to get done. You can get one yourself

from Direct Lab Services. I think they run about $100. If you use

DDI instead of another lab, then you have many people here who know

how to better interpret the test.

Age 12. Does that mean booster shots are in order? Pushing

meningitis and Hep A vaccines? Another Varicella? Don't do it.

Any metal in her mouth? Dental amalgams? If she has the silver

fillings, I'd get them out ASAP and replace them with a good

composite material. You cannot chelate until that is done.

I totally understand the fear of messing with a kid who is very high

functioning. For some of us, the choice is much more obvious. It

sounds like you have tried some conventional medicine with poor

results. There really are non-pharmaceutical alternatives for anger,

agression, depression, etc out there.

Do you have a sympathetic doctor? Or, a doctor willing to prescribe

a chelator if you decide to go that route? Your choices are more

limited without a doctor. Honestly, that might be a GOOD thing!

DMSA and alpha lipoic acid are both available without a prescription

and both awesome options for a lot of children.

Here comes my standard soap box: Omega 3 fatty acids. Try them. Go

for fish oil first (I like Nordic Naturals Omega 3-6-9 for my kids)

and then to flax seed (Barlean's)if she can't tolerate the fish.

Some people get horrible 'fish burps' that almost always go away

after a short time. I use 1 gram EPA/.5 g DHA for my kids per day.

They chew the capsules (4). Fish oil (EPA/DHA) and GLA (borage oil)

have done wonders for my moods. They've done miracles for my

Autistic son. I just can't say enough about Omega 3 fatty acids.

It doesn't have to be complicated. I see another new parent talks

about all the different protocols making it so confusing. If you

stick to the basics, stick to what is known to work and what is safe,

then there really aren't too many options for chelating. Low doses.

Frequent dosing.

What vitamins have you tried? What happened?

I could go on and on. There are so many competent and knowledgable

people on this list, so I'll let them answer more of your questions.

Again, welcome to the group.

Pam

>

> Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other

parents.

> It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

> straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very

tough

> time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12.

She

> is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put

under

> the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD

at

> age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight.

Obstinance/defiance

> came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in

there,

> too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but

when

> the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to

certain

> medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of

increased

> hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of

the

> question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two

separate

> trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out

on

> chelation. Any suggestions?

>

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hi.. I am jumping in here off topic.. I am new.. and having trouble posting...

please someone send me the correct address? autism treatment ? I

keep having it bounce back as I wrote a Hello post. quick question.. my son

needs a TB test.. age 15... to do volunteer work at a local hospital .. stuffing

envelopes... does this contain mercury? thanks.. Lia... who did alot of gut

healing years ago on her son and he is doing very well..

noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote: ,

Welcome.

Start with a " Hair Element Test " from Doctor's Data (DDI). Non-

invasive and potentially quite revealing. Unless you live in New

York, these tests are easy to get done. You can get one yourself

from Direct Lab Services. I think they run about $100. If you use

DDI instead of another lab, then you have many people here who know

how to better interpret the test.

Age 12. Does that mean booster shots are in order? Pushing

meningitis and Hep A vaccines? Another Varicella? Don't do it.

Any metal in her mouth? Dental amalgams? If she has the silver

fillings, I'd get them out ASAP and replace them with a good

composite material. You cannot chelate until that is done.

I totally understand the fear of messing with a kid who is very high

functioning. For some of us, the choice is much more obvious. It

sounds like you have tried some conventional medicine with poor

results. There really are non-pharmaceutical alternatives for anger,

agression, depression, etc out there.

Do you have a sympathetic doctor? Or, a doctor willing to prescribe

a chelator if you decide to go that route? Your choices are more

limited without a doctor. Honestly, that might be a GOOD thing!

DMSA and alpha lipoic acid are both available without a prescription

and both awesome options for a lot of children.

Here comes my standard soap box: Omega 3 fatty acids. Try them. Go

for fish oil first (I like Nordic Naturals Omega 3-6-9 for my kids)

and then to flax seed (Barlean's)if she can't tolerate the fish.

Some people get horrible 'fish burps' that almost always go away

after a short time. I use 1 gram EPA/.5 g DHA for my kids per day.

They chew the capsules (4). Fish oil (EPA/DHA) and GLA (borage oil)

have done wonders for my moods. They've done miracles for my

Autistic son. I just can't say enough about Omega 3 fatty acids.

It doesn't have to be complicated. I see another new parent talks

about all the different protocols making it so confusing. If you

stick to the basics, stick to what is known to work and what is safe,

then there really aren't too many options for chelating. Low doses.

Frequent dosing.

What vitamins have you tried? What happened?

I could go on and on. There are so many competent and knowledgable

people on this list, so I'll let them answer more of your questions.

Again, welcome to the group.

Pam

>

> Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other

parents.

> It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

> straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very

tough

> time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12.

She

> is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put

under

> the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD

at

> age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight.

Obstinance/defiance

> came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in

there,

> too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but

when

> the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to

certain

> medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of

increased

> hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of

the

> question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two

separate

> trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out

on

> chelation. Any suggestions?

>

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Thank you Neil Willit:

No, my twelve-year-old doesn't have any fillings at all yet. I know she

reacts strongly to sweet things with hyperactivity upswings. I will do some

more reading and research. The idea that milk could be causing some allergic

reactions merits a further look. Thank you for the advice!

Pat.

Neil Willet <thecomputershop@...> wrote:

Hello , Welcome to the group !

Have you read the Files section ? Have you done a Direct Labs (DDI) Hair

test ? Does your girl have any " silver " (mercury) fillings ?

Our older son who is pretty much NT used to have big mood swings till we cut

out Dairy for him, his dark circles under his eyes went away and so did his

mood swings.

We also give him some supps, Kirkmans SNT, EFA's and Stinging Nettle has

really cleared up his allergies. We will get around to chelating him when I

can afford it, kind of low on funds with the GFCF, supps and chelation for

our younger boy.

2 things that help a LOT for mood stabilization are lots of EFA's and

Magnesium (possibly Epsom salt baths), if you get the hair test you may also

find lithium is low.

Do some reading and feel free to post more details, if you get the hair test

there is a file showing how to post that also.

Good Luck !

Neil

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Confusion for a new member

Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very tough

time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put under

the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD at

age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance

came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there,

too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased

hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of the

question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out on

chelation. Any suggestions?

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Better than GFCF may be Feingold if she reacts to sweets. Dyes may also be a

trigger for her. Something else to investigate.

Amy

Roysdon <pmroysdon@...> wrote:

Thank you Neil Willit:

No, my twelve-year-old doesn't have any fillings at all yet. I know she reacts

strongly to sweet things with hyperactivity upswings. I will do some more

reading and research. The idea that milk could be causing some allergic

reactions merits a further look. Thank you for the advice!

Pat.

Neil Willet <thecomputershop@...> wrote:

Hello , Welcome to the group !

Have you read the Files section ? Have you done a Direct Labs (DDI) Hair

test ? Does your girl have any " silver " (mercury) fillings ?

Our older son who is pretty much NT used to have big mood swings till we cut

out Dairy for him, his dark circles under his eyes went away and so did his

mood swings.

We also give him some supps, Kirkmans SNT, EFA's and Stinging Nettle has

really cleared up his allergies. We will get around to chelating him when I

can afford it, kind of low on funds with the GFCF, supps and chelation for

our younger boy.

2 things that help a LOT for mood stabilization are lots of EFA's and

Magnesium (possibly Epsom salt baths), if you get the hair test you may also

find lithium is low.

Do some reading and feel free to post more details, if you get the hair test

there is a file showing how to post that also.

Good Luck !

Neil

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:29 PM

Subject: [ ] Confusion for a new member

Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very tough

time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put under

the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD at

age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance

came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there,

too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased

hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of the

question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out on

chelation. Any suggestions?

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Lia,

You seem to have the correct address since I see your message.

Sometimes can be a pain in the a** with bouncing messages,

delays in posting messages, etc.

As far as the TB test... take a look at this link

http://www.hpakids.org/holistic-health/articles/131/1/TB-Tests

I can't vouch for this person's qualifications, but the information

is interesting. Perhaps you could opt for the blood test if they

will do it on a child. The preservative used in TB tests is phenol,

I believe.

Pam

> >

> > Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other

> parents.

> > It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

> > straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very

> tough

> > time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12.

> She

> > is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put

> under

> > the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD

> at

> > age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight.

> Obstinance/defiance

> > came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in

> there,

> > too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but

> when

> > the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to

> certain

> > medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of

> increased

> > hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of

> the

> > question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two

> separate

> > trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her

out

> on

> > chelation. Any suggestions?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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No aspartame! Nutrasweet. Ick. Girls are in to the diet thing...

make sure she isn't drinking/eating that sugar-free crap.

pam

> Hello , Welcome to the group !

>

> Have you read the Files section ? Have you done a Direct Labs (DDI)

Hair

> test ? Does your girl have any " silver " (mercury) fillings ?

>

> Our older son who is pretty much NT used to have big mood swings

till we cut

> out Dairy for him, his dark circles under his eyes went away and so

did his

> mood swings.

>

> We also give him some supps, Kirkmans SNT, EFA's and Stinging

Nettle has

> really cleared up his allergies. We will get around to chelating

him when I

> can afford it, kind of low on funds with the GFCF, supps and

chelation for

> our younger boy.

>

> 2 things that help a LOT for mood stabilization are lots of EFA's

and

> Magnesium (possibly Epsom salt baths), if you get the hair test you

may also

> find lithium is low.

>

> Do some reading and feel free to post more details, if you get the

hair test

> there is a file showing how to post that also.

>

> Good Luck !

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:29 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Confusion for a new member

>

> Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

> It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

> straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very

tough

> time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

> is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put

under

> the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD

at

> age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight.

Obstinance/defiance

> came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in

there,

> too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

> the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

> medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of

increased

> hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of

the

> question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

> trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out

on

> chelation. Any suggestions?

>

>

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If I were in your situation, I might look at the NCD.

There is an AutismNCD list at groups.

Barb

[ ] Confusion for a new member

Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very tough

time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put under

the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD at

age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance

came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there,

too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased

hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of the

question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out on

chelation. Any suggestions?

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If you mention this list, they'll give you a discount on the hair test.

S S

<p>,<br>

<br>

Welcome.<br>

<br>

Start with a " Hair Element Test " from Doctor's Data (DDI). Non-<br>

invasive and potentially quite revealing. Unless you live in New <br>

York, these tests are easy to get done. You can get one yourself <br>

from Direct Lab Services. I think they run about $100. If you use <br>

DDI instead of another lab, then you have many people here who know <br>

how to better interpret the test.<br>

<br>

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For sugar substitute we use Xylitol.

The kind made from tree bark is supposed to be better than the kind made

from corn.

Great for diabetics and also good for your teeth !

Neil

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On Behalf Of noaholiviaian

Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:00 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Confusion for a new member

No aspartame! Nutrasweet. Ick. Girls are in to the diet thing...

make sure she isn't drinking/eating that sugar-free crap.

pam

> Hello , Welcome to the group !

>

> Have you read the Files section ? Have you done a Direct Labs (DDI)

Hair

> test ? Does your girl have any " silver " (mercury) fillings ?

>

> Our older son who is pretty much NT used to have big mood swings

till we cut

> out Dairy for him, his dark circles under his eyes went away and so

did his

> mood swings.

>

> We also give him some supps, Kirkmans SNT, EFA's and Stinging

Nettle has

> really cleared up his allergies. We will get around to chelating

him when I

> can afford it, kind of low on funds with the GFCF, supps and

chelation for

> our younger boy.

>

> 2 things that help a LOT for mood stabilization are lots of EFA's

and

> Magnesium (possibly Epsom salt baths), if you get the hair test you

may also

> find lithium is low.

>

> Do some reading and feel free to post more details, if you get the

hair test

> there is a file showing how to post that also.

>

> Good Luck !

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: @ <mailto: %40>

[mailto:Autism-

Mercury@groups <mailto:Mercury%40> .com]

> On Behalf Of

> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:29 PM

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Confusion for a new member

>

> Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other parents.

> It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

> straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very

tough

> time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12. She

> is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put

under

> the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD

at

> age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight.

Obstinance/defiance

> came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in

there,

> too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

> the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

> medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of

increased

> hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of

the

> question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two separate

> trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her out

on

> chelation. Any suggestions?

>

>

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hi.. and thanks for the info... I will look into it... Lia.. who will try to

post with her second introduction attempt...

noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote: Lia,

You seem to have the correct address since I see your message.

Sometimes can be a pain in the a** with bouncing messages,

delays in posting messages, etc.

As far as the TB test... take a look at this link

http://www.hpakids.org/holistic-health/articles/131/1/TB-Tests

I can't vouch for this person's qualifications, but the information

is interesting. Perhaps you could opt for the blood test if they

will do it on a child. The preservative used in TB tests is phenol,

I believe.

Pam

> >

> > Hi! I've been reviewing some of the recent mail from other

> parents.

> > It's becoming very obvious to me that chelation therapy is not

> > straight-forward. It sounds like some children have had a very

> tough

> > time while going through various protocols. My daughter is 12.

> She

> > is pretty high functioning. Her diagnosis could probably be put

> under

> > the autism spectrum " umbrella " . She was first diagnosed with ADHD

> at

> > age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight.

> Obstinance/defiance

> > came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in

> there,

> > too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but

> when

> > the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to

> certain

> > medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of

> increased

> > hyper activity on B vitamins. Anti-depressants seem to be out of

> the

> > question for her - she gets so weird on them. We tried two

> separate

> > trials of them. I therefore feel very nervous about trying her

out

> on

> > chelation. Any suggestions?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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She was first diagnosed with ADHD at

> age five, then Asperger's syndrome at age eight. Obstinance/defiance

> came next at early age twelve. I remember PDD being tossed in there,

> too, at about age nine. She can be a sweet engaging child, but when

> the temper blows...watch out! She seems pretty sensitive to certain

> medications and vitamins. I could relate to the stories of increased

> hyper activity on B vitamins.

I'm very behind on the list...but I'd try the Feingold Diet for

starters. It's daunting at first if you're used to eating a lot of

processed food, but once you get going it's quite easy (I feel a lot

better on it myself).

As for chelation, my advice is to keep reading here, check out the

files, and eventually it starts to make sense, and you'll see the

potential risks and benefits more clearly.

Nell

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