Re: Question about Nursing with Amalgams

[Guest guest]

I understand what a hard decision that is..I nursed my son for four

months and am wishing that I hadn't. I did not know that my amalgams

even had mercury in them at that time..not to mention that it passed

in the milk. Here I was being so healthy with my diet..no caffeine,

no junk...

Anyway, all I can offer is that if you already have a son with metal

toxicity as indicated, the risk for your second son is higher.

Mercury does get into the milk. His exposure sounds like is it less

so far, and it may be earlier enought to prevent anything from

happening as did with your 2 year old.

I really don't like to tell anyone what to do with their own kids..I

can only offer that if he were mine..I would not nurse him. It am

still trying to come to terms with how every time I fed my son I was

poisoning him and how maybe that is part of why he has problems now.

My son had other metal exposures in addition to this, but that

mercury might be why the other metals had such an impact. Mercury is

cumulative in exposure.

I know that some women have their milk tested. I don't know what lab

does this..others here may know. I know you can buy organic formula

now at most regular stores, and some mom's make their own formula at

home which has even more vitamins and such. I have heard of some

even chelating babies to remove the metals. Though I only have

experience with preschool and up.

Have you looked into chelation for your older son? You can get his

copper down and proceed to remove the metals which may help him

greatly.

>

> Hi. I have a 2 1/2 yo son who would most likely be diagnosed as

PDD-

> NOS right now if we pushed for a formal diagnosis. He's been GFCF

> for the past five months, and we implemented supplements and some

> play-based ABA more recently. He met the third counting rule for

> mercury toxicity, and he is super high in copper. I had at least

> two amalgam fillings replaced while pregnant with him, and I

> breastfed him for 14 months.

>

> My question is about my second son, who is 8 1/2 months old. At

> present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

> through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

> fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

> breastfeeding him? I will be sad if I have to quit nursing him

now,

> but I want to do what's best for him. He hasn't shown some of the

> early signs that my older son did (fixation with spinning fans,

> bouncing to an extreme as early as 6 months, and so forth). He

also

> hasn't had the constant diarrhea that my older son had (and still

> has if he eats something to which he is intolerant). In fact, his

> bowel movements were really great (strange as that sounds) up

until

> about three weeks ago when he ran a short-term low-grade fever and

> thereafter developed constipation. (We've been giving him prune

> juice mixed with pear juice (and probiotics when I can remember

it)

> to keep him regular.

>

> Unfortunately I caved to pressure and allowed my infant to receive

> the full schedule of vaccinations until he was 4 months old, at

> which time I drastically slowed down his shots, giving him one

shot

> at that point and then one more at 6 months old. Now I don't plan

> to give him any more shots until he is at least 2 years old (if

> ever).

>

> I'm just so torn about the breastfeeding issue. All along I

thought

> I was doing what was best for my children by nursing them, and now

> I'm not so sure considering the amalgams in my teeth (not to

mention

> what else I might be passing along in terms of toxic load). Does

> the benefit of an immune boost from breastfeeding outweigh the

risk

> of passing along mercury to my baby? If you think it's best to

> discontinue breastfeeding, what would be a good substitute for the

> breastmilk (since I definitely don't want to introduce cow's milk

> anytime soon).

>

> I would appreciate any help/advice you can give to help me keep my

> baby healthy and prevent him (and us) from going through what is

> happening with my older son.

>

> TIA for your help!

>

> Kathy in Florida

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for that very helpful response, Jan! I think testing

my breast milk is a great idea! Now I just need to find out who

does that. Does anyone know if DDI does that? The main reason I've

kept breastfeeding this long is that my older son didn't seem to

really regress until after I quit breastfeeding. Maybe coincidence,

but we'll never be sure, and I often wonder...

We are definitely looking into chelation. We have an appt to see a

DAN! doc ( Buckley) in a couple of weeks. We've heard good

things about her, so we're really hoping she'll be of help in that

department (aside from all the wonderful advice we've gotten--and

hope to continue getting--here, of course). We are so grateful for

the thoughtful and generous people who have posted such excellent

information to this group.

In terms of lowering my son's copper before chelating, we tried

upping his zinc (and I just got some moly in the mail yesterday that

we were (are?) planning to try). The only thing is, maybe we went

too fast upping the level of zinc because my son started doing

things he hasn't done in a long while. Over the past week and a

half or so he started getting way more hyper than usual and he

resumed some flapping, toe-walking, and bouncing that we hadn't seen

in a long time. Worst yet, he twice dug some lovely poo out of his

diaper and played with it a bit...a behavior we thought was LONG

gone.

We've brought the zinc back down to what is was before ramping up,

and now we're at an impasse until we see that he's back to where he

had gotten to before behaviorally. The interesting thing is that

his language is still improving, even with the behavioral stuff

going on. Today I was singing a song that he typically likes, but

he was sort of grunting to let me know he wasn't liking it. I kept

going just to see what he would do (just curious), and after more

grunting and interesting vocal complaint sounds, he finally said at

the top of his voice, " Stop singing! " Incredible!!! Needless to

say, I stopped singing (and actually got him to repeat " please " ).

Thanks again for the advice and encouragement!

Kathy in Florida

>

> I understand what a hard decision that is..I nursed my son for

four

> months and am wishing that I hadn't. I did not know that my

amalgams

> even had mercury in them at that time..not to mention that it

passed

> in the milk. Here I was being so healthy with my diet..no

caffeine,

> no junk...

> Anyway, all I can offer is that if you already have a son with

metal

> toxicity as indicated, the risk for your second son is higher.

> Mercury does get into the milk. His exposure sounds like is it

less

> so far, and it may be earlier enought to prevent anything from

> happening as did with your 2 year old.

>

> I really don't like to tell anyone what to do with their own

kids..I

> can only offer that if he were mine..I would not nurse him. It am

> still trying to come to terms with how every time I fed my son I

was

> poisoning him and how maybe that is part of why he has problems

now.

> My son had other metal exposures in addition to this, but that

> mercury might be why the other metals had such an impact. Mercury

is

> cumulative in exposure.

>

> I know that some women have their milk tested. I don't know what

lab

> does this..others here may know. I know you can buy organic

formula

> now at most regular stores, and some mom's make their own formula

at

> home which has even more vitamins and such. I have heard of some

> even chelating babies to remove the metals. Though I only have

> experience with preschool and up.

>

> Have you looked into chelation for your older son? You can get his

> copper down and proceed to remove the metals which may help him

> greatly.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks so much for that very helpful response, Jan! I think testing

> my breast milk is a great idea! Now I just need to find out who

> does that. Does anyone know if DDI does that? The main reason I've

> kept breastfeeding this long is that my older son didn't seem to

> really regress until after I quit breastfeeding. Maybe coincidence,

> but we'll never be sure, and I often wonder...

Hiya,

No-one seems to be an expert on this, and it is such an emotional

subject that everyone really has to go with their gut-feeling I think.

My son also did not regress till long after I stopped breastfeeding him.

From what I have read, mercury does get into the breastmilk, but when

they followed kids up later on, those that were breastfed were still

doing better. I think the presumption has been that there is some

protective factor as yet unidentified in the breast milk. I breast fed

my second son till 18 months, although our first son was only just

beginning to regress around this time. I have however decided to nurse

our present (and last) baby. It really is such an individual decision,

however I must admit I did not agonise too much over it. Hopefully

this will not be something I live to regret, but I do feel quite

confident that I am still doing the best thing for her. Other people

may feel just as confident in their decisions, and that is what is best

for us all, kids and Mums.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Dear Kathy,

I was going to wean our kids (2 yrs, 4 mos), both of whom are mercury

and lead poisoned. But I had myself tested and I'm not toxic, so I

figure my breastmilk is okay, too. Mostly, I'm continuing because from

what I've read, breastmilk is protecting the guts of my kids. One

child was diagnosed PDD-NOS, the other, a girl just has a minor speech

delay. I'm chelating them both and giving some supplements, but figure

that breastmilk is good support, too. I'm afraid if I stop while

they're full of heavy metals, that they'll both disappear on the

spectrum.

I've been reading this book by Dr. Amy Yasko (The Puzzle of Autism:

Putting it All Together). She says that the heavy metals can get

trapped in viruses (like those from the live-virus vaccines, MMR or

chicken pox) or bacteria (mostly aluminum) and then are unable to be

chelated out of the body using the normal DAN protocols. If

breastfeeding can help prevent kids from getting gut issues in the

first place, that's one step ahead in the game.

Having said all this, I'll add the caveat that I'm pretty new to all

this mess, too, and probably don't know what I'm talking about!

>

> Hi. I have a 2 1/2 yo son who would most likely be diagnosed as

PDD-

> NOS right now if we pushed for a formal diagnosis. He's been GFCF

> for the past five months, and we implemented supplements and some

> play-based ABA more recently. He met the third counting rule for

> mercury toxicity, and he is super high in copper. I had at least

> two amalgam fillings replaced while pregnant with him, and I

> breastfed him for 14 months.

>

> My question is about my second son, who is 8 1/2 months old. At

> present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

> through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

> fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

> breastfeeding him? I will be sad if I have to quit nursing him now,

> but I want to do what's best for him. He hasn't shown some of the

> early signs that my older son did (fixation with spinning fans,

> bouncing to an extreme as early as 6 months, and so forth). He also

> hasn't had the constant diarrhea that my older son had (and still

> has if he eats something to which he is intolerant). In fact, his

> bowel movements were really great (strange as that sounds) up until

> about three weeks ago when he ran a short-term low-grade fever and

> thereafter developed constipation. (We've been giving him prune

> juice mixed with pear juice (and probiotics when I can remember it)

> to keep him regular.

>

> Unfortunately I caved to pressure and allowed my infant to receive

> the full schedule of vaccinations until he was 4 months old, at

> which time I drastically slowed down his shots, giving him one shot

> at that point and then one more at 6 months old. Now I don't plan

> to give him any more shots until he is at least 2 years old (if

> ever).

>

> I'm just so torn about the breastfeeding issue. All along I thought

> I was doing what was best for my children by nursing them, and now

> I'm not so sure considering the amalgams in my teeth (not to mention

> what else I might be passing along in terms of toxic load). Does

> the benefit of an immune boost from breastfeeding outweigh the risk

> of passing along mercury to my baby? If you think it's best to

> discontinue breastfeeding, what would be a good substitute for the

> breastmilk (since I definitely don't want to introduce cow's milk

> anytime soon).

>

> I would appreciate any help/advice you can give to help me keep my

> baby healthy and prevent him (and us) from going through what is

> happening with my older son.

>

> TIA for your help!

>

> Kathy in Florida

>

[Guest guest]

At 10:47 PM 8/4/2006, you wrote:

>At

>present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

>through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

>fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

>breastfeeding him?

No! Personally, that is my opinion. There are so many benefits to

breastfeeding. I would be very worried about what the alternative

would be like. So many kids that have issues with metals also have

issues with dairy, which is what most formula is based on (and soy

sometimes as well? I'm not sure on that but soy is very high in

copper so I'd be leary of a soy formula). Breastfeeding helps with

not developing allergies and sensitivities later - it's so much more

gentle on the immune system.

What I would do, is I would research and take healthy (as large as

was healthy) doses of liver support and drainage

vitamins/supplements. Particularly, a quick search on milk thistle

shows it increases supply and is great for the liver. For a while I

was pregnant just after I found out I was metal toxic...the doc said

basically, we would give you lots of things that will not chelate but

will encapsulate the metals as much as possible. (It didn't stick

though, which I kind of guessed). Look into ways to get that mercury

to pass through you without harm rather than giving up one of the

best ways you can protect the baby from allergies, food intolerances,

and other issues that will make having any metals much worse. Again,

uneducated opinion... you have to go with what you feel is best. Good luck!

Stroyan

www.empathic-discipline.com

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[Guest guest]

Have you tried searching the archives with Onibasu? Here's a post from 2004:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/124538.html?

highlight=andrewhallcutler%20breastfeeding

At the time I was breastfeeding my kids, I had four very large amalgam fillings

and several

small spots filled on other teeth. My oldest was breastfed for 4 years and my

youngest

went a little longer than that. Both kids are NT, but mercury poisoned.

I think the biggest offenders in their case histories were the Rhogam shots I

received and

the vaccinations they received as newborns and beyond. JMO. I don't have any

regrets

about breastfeeding them as long as I did, in regards to the potential mercury

exposure.

There are just so many benefits.

Good luck in your research and decision,

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

You CAN test breast milk for toxic metals, but there are not accepted

reference ranges. So I'm not use of how much use this test would be.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

[Guest guest]

There is a lot you can do to minimize the amount of mercury that gets into

your child from your amalgams; and remember the MOST mercury you gave him

came while you were pregnant as whatever was leaching crosses the placenta.

I take selenium (a mercapturial) to nurse my now 14 month old son (who is

very healthy and unvaccinated and was a home birth). I also don't get my

teeth cleaned (polishing helps them leach). I also take enzymes and many

other supplements and am (mostly CF and mostly GF) In most cases the

benefits of the milk outweigh whatever load you are giving them (and again

you gave a lot already while you were pregnant). In your first child's case

I would be FAR more likely to think that the dental work you got while

nursing was a bigger culprit.

I have a bunch of amalgams and I nursed my first child until she was 16

month (at which point she quit). She is " NT with supplements " at this point

but metals poisoned. When I was piecing all of this together I realized

that I had a filling replaced when I was nursing her and that - unbeknownst

to me b/c I had asked for the other kind - they used amalgam. She received

what few vaccines she got before we stopped (including DTaP - which likely

contained mercury) about 2 weeks later. I remember the dentist did not want

to tackle the filling while I was pregnant but, though he knew I was

nursing, thought NOTHING of doing this.

And of course this was long before I knew everything I know now. Now I have

a dentist who won't even use fluoride in his practice let alone amalgam.

Also when you think about quitting what makes you so sure the ingredients in

the formula would be free from metals like aluminum and other things.

Just another perspective.

Josie

[Guest guest]

Others on this list have said that they've had breast milk tested through DDI

but that they don't have a reference range.

S S

><br>

> Thanks so much for that very helpful response, Jan! I think testing <br>

> my breast milk is a great idea! Now I just need to find out who <br>

> does that. Does anyone know if DDI does that? The main reason I've <br>

> kept breastfeeding this long is that my older son didn't seem to <br>

> really regress until after I quit breastfeeding. Maybe coincidence, <br>

> but we'll never be sure, and I often wonder...<br>

<br>

Hiya,<br>

No-one seems to be an expert on this, and it is such an emotional <br>

subject that everyone really has to go with their gut-feeling I think.<br>

My son also did not regress till long after I stopped breastfeeding him.<br>

From what I have read, mercury does get into the breastmilk, but when <br>

they followed kids up later on, those that were breastfed were still <br>

doing better. I think the presumption has been that there is some <br>

protective factor as yet unidentified in the breast milk. I breast fed <br>

my second son till 18 months, although our first son was only just <br>

beginning to regress around this time. I have however decided to nurse <br>

our present (and last) baby. It really is such an individual decision, <br>

however I must admit I did not agonise too much over it. Hopefully <br>

this will not be something I live to regret, but I do feel quite <br>

confident that I am still doing the best thing for her. Other people <br>

may feel just as confident in their decisions, and that is what is best <br>

for us all, kids and Mums.<br>

Sue<br>

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[Guest guest]

I am also facing this dilemma with my 13 month old daughter. I could not even

count the number of ancient mercury fillings in my mouth. I have decided to

continue nursing her for now and here is why...

-My son didn't regress until 6 months after I stopped nursing him at age 2.

Until age 2 1/2 no signs of autism were apparent.

-Our DAN doc, Tarasuk, recommended that I nurse my daughter as long as

possible. She told me a doctor friend of hers (I wish I could remember the name

for you) was working with autistic kids in Iran. This physician noticed that

all of these children became autistic after age two and not earlier. Well, it

turns out their religious text, the Quaran (sp?) specifies that children should

be nursed until 2 years of age. So the autism was again occurring after

weaning.

-A few months ago there was a thread about extended breastfeeding and autism on

another group - maybe the enzymes group. Several mothers posted that their

child had not shown signs of autism until after weaning, and this was at ages 3,

4 or even 5 years in one case.

-She cannot tolerate dairy or soy so without breastmilk what would she live off

of? She is tiny at the 75th percentile for height and the 10th percentile for

weight.

I am supplementing with selenium (does not chelate, but binds mercury) and other

vitamins/minerals. The levels of calcium, magnesium, and iron are " set " in

breastmilk and do not increase with supplementation but zinc and all the B

vitamins and vitamin C incease with maternal supplementation.

I have recently had a DD hair test done on my daughter and I'm awaiting results.

Good luck,

Leigh Anne

[Guest guest]

I think your right about that..I have heard that soy formula is very

high in aluminum.

At least the breast milk has immune support and other goodies not in

the formula.

>

> There is a lot you can do to minimize the amount of mercury that

gets into

> your child from your amalgams; and remember the MOST mercury you

gave him

> came while you were pregnant as whatever was leaching crosses the

placenta.

> I take selenium (a mercapturial) to nurse my now 14 month old son

(who is

> very healthy and unvaccinated and was a home birth). I also don't

get my

> teeth cleaned (polishing helps them leach). I also take enzymes

and many

> other supplements and am (mostly CF and mostly GF) In most cases

the

> benefits of the milk outweigh whatever load you are giving them

(and again

> you gave a lot already while you were pregnant). In your first

child's case

> I would be FAR more likely to think that the dental work you got

while

> nursing was a bigger culprit.

>

>

>

> I have a bunch of amalgams and I nursed my first child until she

was 16

> month (at which point she quit). She is " NT with supplements " at

this point

> but metals poisoned. When I was piecing all of this together I

realized

> that I had a filling replaced when I was nursing her and that -

unbeknownst

> to me b/c I had asked for the other kind - they used amalgam. She

received

> what few vaccines she got before we stopped (including DTaP -

which likely

> contained mercury) about 2 weeks later. I remember the dentist

did not want

> to tackle the filling while I was pregnant but, though he knew I

was

> nursing, thought NOTHING of doing this.

>

>

>

> And of course this was long before I knew everything I know now.

Now I have

> a dentist who won't even use fluoride in his practice let alone

amalgam.

>

>

>

> Also when you think about quitting what makes you so sure the

ingredients in

> the formula would be free from metals like aluminum and other

things.

>

>

>

> Just another perspective.

>

>

>

> Josie

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

While testing it might not give you a comparison for what metals are

in other people milk, you will at least know what is in yours. And

it might be much lower than were thinking. In comparison to what

might be received in canned formula or in tuna fish.

If nothing else, at least it will put you at ease to nurse. As

others have said here, it seems to protect the babies from austim

regardless of whether or not mom's have fillings. And yes, his utero

exposure was likely higher. I hope things work out for you and the

breast milk is ok!! Let us know how you make out, this will help

others on here too.

> >

> > I understand what a hard decision that is..I nursed my son for

> four

> > months and am wishing that I hadn't. I did not know that my

> amalgams

> > even had mercury in them at that time..not to mention that it

> passed

> > in the milk. Here I was being so healthy with my diet..no

> caffeine,

> > no junk...

> > Anyway, all I can offer is that if you already have a son with

> metal

> > toxicity as indicated, the risk for your second son is higher.

> > Mercury does get into the milk. His exposure sounds like is it

> less

> > so far, and it may be earlier enought to prevent anything from

> > happening as did with your 2 year old.

> >

> > I really don't like to tell anyone what to do with their own

> kids..I

> > can only offer that if he were mine..I would not nurse him. It

am

> > still trying to come to terms with how every time I fed my son I

> was

> > poisoning him and how maybe that is part of why he has problems

> now.

> > My son had other metal exposures in addition to this, but that

> > mercury might be why the other metals had such an impact.

Mercury

> is

> > cumulative in exposure.

> >

> > I know that some women have their milk tested. I don't know what

> lab

> > does this..others here may know. I know you can buy organic

> formula

> > now at most regular stores, and some mom's make their own

formula

> at

> > home which has even more vitamins and such. I have heard of some

> > even chelating babies to remove the metals. Though I only have

> > experience with preschool and up.

> >

> > Have you looked into chelation for your older son? You can get

his

> > copper down and proceed to remove the metals which may help him

> > greatly.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry if this has already been said, but I have a 16 mo. old and

have similar circumstances. PLEASE DO NOT wean now! B'milk is the

best thing by far even w/amalgams (I still have 4 as well.)

I know some mamas who weaned in order to have them removed and they

sorely regret it because their kids regressed considerably after

weaning.

I spoke to a dentist last week who follows proper protocol for

removal and who is a holistic dentist who advised me NOT to wean

right now and to nurse as long as possible. (He also understands

ASD kids!)

Just my 2 cents. We sound like we'er in the same boat here. (I

also had an appt. scheduled w/ Buckley too but they messed up

the schedule somehow and now have an appt. w/a different DAN but not

until Oct.)

Good luck,

~~~TErri in FL

>

> Hi. I have a 2 1/2 yo son who would most likely be diagnosed as

PDD-

> NOS right now if we pushed for a formal diagnosis. He's been GFCF

> for the past five months, and we implemented supplements and some

> play-based ABA more recently. He met the third counting rule for

> mercury toxicity, and he is super high in copper. I had at least

> two amalgam fillings replaced while pregnant with him, and I

> breastfed him for 14 months.

>

> My question is about my second son, who is 8 1/2 months old. At

> present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

> through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

> fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

> breastfeeding him? I will be sad if I have to quit nursing him

now,

> but I want to do what's best for him. He hasn't shown some of the

> early signs that my older son did (fixation with spinning fans,

> bouncing to an extreme as early as 6 months, and so forth). He

also

> hasn't had the constant diarrhea that my older son had (and still

> has if he eats something to which he is intolerant). In fact, his

> bowel movements were really great (strange as that sounds) up

until

> about three weeks ago when he ran a short-term low-grade fever and

> thereafter developed constipation. (We've been giving him prune

> juice mixed with pear juice (and probiotics when I can remember

it)

> to keep him regular.

>

> Unfortunately I caved to pressure and allowed my infant to receive

> the full schedule of vaccinations until he was 4 months old, at

> which time I drastically slowed down his shots, giving him one

shot

> at that point and then one more at 6 months old. Now I don't plan

> to give him any more shots until he is at least 2 years old (if

> ever).

>

> I'm just so torn about the breastfeeding issue. All along I

thought

> I was doing what was best for my children by nursing them, and now

> I'm not so sure considering the amalgams in my teeth (not to

mention

> what else I might be passing along in terms of toxic load). Does

> the benefit of an immune boost from breastfeeding outweigh the

risk

> of passing along mercury to my baby? If you think it's best to

> discontinue breastfeeding, what would be a good substitute for the

> breastmilk (since I definitely don't want to introduce cow's milk

> anytime soon).

>

> I would appreciate any help/advice you can give to help me keep my

> baby healthy and prevent him (and us) from going through what is

> happening with my older son.

>

> TIA for your help!

>

> Kathy in Florida

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Terri. Thanks for your response, and thanks also to everyone

else who responded! I'm thrilled to hear the encouragement for

continuing to breastfeed, and that's definitely what I've decided to

do! (I was going to miss it so much anyway, so I'm very happy to

hear that it's better for my baby to continue to nurse than to wean.)

Thanks again, Everyone. We feel really blessed to have found this

group!

Kathy in Florida

> >

> > Hi. I have a 2 1/2 yo son who would most likely be diagnosed as

> PDD-

> > NOS right now if we pushed for a formal diagnosis. He's been

GFCF

> > for the past five months, and we implemented supplements and

some

> > play-based ABA more recently. He met the third counting rule

for

> > mercury toxicity, and he is super high in copper. I had at

least

> > two amalgam fillings replaced while pregnant with him, and I

> > breastfed him for 14 months.

> >

> > My question is about my second son, who is 8 1/2 months old. At

> > present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

> > through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

> > fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

> > breastfeeding him? I will be sad if I have to quit nursing him

> now,

> > but I want to do what's best for him. He hasn't shown some of

the

> > early signs that my older son did (fixation with spinning fans,

> > bouncing to an extreme as early as 6 months, and so forth). He

> also

> > hasn't had the constant diarrhea that my older son had (and

still

> > has if he eats something to which he is intolerant). In fact,

his

> > bowel movements were really great (strange as that sounds) up

> until

> > about three weeks ago when he ran a short-term low-grade fever

and

> > thereafter developed constipation. (We've been giving him prune

> > juice mixed with pear juice (and probiotics when I can remember

> it)

> > to keep him regular.

> >

> > Unfortunately I caved to pressure and allowed my infant to

receive

> > the full schedule of vaccinations until he was 4 months old, at

> > which time I drastically slowed down his shots, giving him one

> shot

> > at that point and then one more at 6 months old. Now I don't

plan

> > to give him any more shots until he is at least 2 years old (if

> > ever).

> >

> > I'm just so torn about the breastfeeding issue. All along I

> thought

> > I was doing what was best for my children by nursing them, and

now

> > I'm not so sure considering the amalgams in my teeth (not to

> mention

> > what else I might be passing along in terms of toxic load).

Does

> > the benefit of an immune boost from breastfeeding outweigh the

> risk

> > of passing along mercury to my baby? If you think it's best to

> > discontinue breastfeeding, what would be a good substitute for

the

> > breastmilk (since I definitely don't want to introduce cow's

milk

> > anytime soon).

> >

> > I would appreciate any help/advice you can give to help me keep

my

> > baby healthy and prevent him (and us) from going through what is

> > happening with my older son.

> >

> > TIA for your help!

> >

> > Kathy in Florida

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am also worried about nursing my 14 month old with my 6 mercury

fillings, but my situation is a little different.... was

diagnosed with moderate to severe autism at 12 months, and as far as I

can tell has been autistic since birth or shortly thereafter. He is

really messed up, and has horrible gut problems. He has had chronic

diarrhea for 5 months. We have a DAN doc and are trying everything

under the sun for the nasty bacteria, suspected yeast, leaky gut,

etc.... including first GFCF diet, then SCD diet (both of us since

everything goes thru the breastmilk). So far only a little

improvement in behaviors, while the gut continues to get progressively

worse.

I honestly don't know if I'm helping him or hurting him with

breastfeeding, but he loves it and still refuses most solids (major

sensory integration problems with anything textured), so I'm kind of

in a bind. It is such a personal issue. We honestly can't afford yet

another expensive test not covered by insurance, so I just have to go

with my gut & spirit (I pray about it a lot). Deep inside I feel that

continuing to nurse him for as long as he wants is the best thing to

do for so many reasons, so for now we continue on. But I'm also

continuing to research. I recently found a research study performed

on mice that showed that suckling mice did not excrete mercury until

weaned, so that has me a bit frightened. We will be chelating

as soon as his zinc levels rise and his gut improves, but now after

reading that research, I'm worried it won't work very well. But who

knows if that situation applies to humans as well as mice? I will

keep researching and post if I find anything noteworthy.

Best wishes,

[Guest guest]

Also who knows what toxins are in COWS milk? Or soy milk formula? Cows don't

have fillings, but they could eat contaminated feed. Soy could be grown on

contaminated ground.

BUT--that said, , please list the kinds of chelators etc that

encapsulate instead of passing on to a fetus or breast milk. Even though I'm

ancient (44) I'd love to get pregnant again--it has happened to women in

their 40's on occassion in our family. I do have my amalgams out but would

like to use the encapsulating methods of chelating just in case a miracle

happens !

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Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:24 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Question about Nursing with Amalgams

At 10:47 PM 8/4/2006, you wrote:

>At

>present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

>through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

>fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

>breastfeeding him?

No! Personally, that is my opinion. There are so many benefits to

breastfeeding. I would be very worried about what the alternative

would be like. So many kids that have issues with metals also have

issues with dairy, which is what most formula is based on (and soy

sometimes as well? I'm not sure on that but soy is very high in

copper so I'd be leary of a soy formula). Breastfeeding helps with

not developing allergies and sensitivities later - it's so much more

gentle on the immune system.

What I would do, is I would research and take healthy (as large as

was healthy) doses of liver support and drainage

vitamins/supplements. Particularly, a quick search on milk thistle

shows it increases supply and is great for the liver. For a while I

was pregnant just after I found out I was metal toxic...the doc said

basically, we would give you lots of things that will not chelate but

will encapsulate the metals as much as possible. (It didn't stick

though, which I kind of guessed). Look into ways to get that mercury

to pass through you without harm rather than giving up one of the

best ways you can protect the baby from allergies, food intolerances,

and other issues that will make having any metals much worse. Again,

uneducated opinion... you have to go with what you feel is best. Good luck!

Stroyan

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Pesticides, bovine growth hormones, and antiobiotics are in cow's milk.

<p>Also who knows what toxins are in COWS milk? Or soy milk formula?

Cows don't<br>

have fillings, but they could eat contaminated feed. Soy could be grown on<br>

contaminated ground.<br>

<br>

BUT--that said, , please list the kinds of chelators etc that<br>

encapsulate instead of passing on to a fetus or breast milk. Even though I'm<br>

ancient (44) I'd love to get pregnant again--it has happened to women in<br>

their 40's on occassion in our family. I do have my amalgams out but would<br>

like to use the encapsulating methods of chelating just in case a miracle<br>

happens !<br>

<br>

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Find raw milk, none of these in raw milk, which is full of enzymes, very good

for you.

RE: [ ] Question about Nursing with Amalgams

Pesticides, bovine growth hormones, and antiobiotics are in cow's milk.

<p>Also who knows what toxins are in COWS milk? Or soy milk formula? Cows

don't<br>

have fillings, but they could eat contaminated feed. Soy could be grown on<br>

contaminated ground.<br>

<br>

BUT--that said, , please list the kinds of chelators etc that<br>

encapsulate instead of passing on to a fetus or breast milk. Even though

I'm<br>

ancient (44) I'd love to get pregnant again--it has happened to women in<br>

their 40's on occassion in our family. I do have my amalgams out but would<br>

like to use the encapsulating methods of chelating just in case a miracle<br>

happens !<br>

<br>

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At 01:55 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:

>BUT--that said, , please list the kinds of chelators etc that

>encapsulate instead of passing on to a fetus or breast milk. Even though I'm

>ancient (44) I'd love to get pregnant again--it has happened to women in

>their 40's on occassion in our family. I do have my amalgams out but would

>like to use the encapsulating methods of chelating just in case a miracle

>happens !

I don't know - we never got to that point. I'm sure others on the

group know. Milk Thistle, obviously. My doc mentioned chlorella but

others have had bad luck with it here, I guess.

How about whichever of us is successful first can do the research?

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Is " raw " by definition organic?

Anne

>

> <p>Also who knows what toxins are in COWS milk? Or soy milk

formula? Cows don't<br>

> have fillings, but they could eat contaminated feed. Soy could

be grown on<br>

> contaminated ground.<br>

> <br>

> BUT--that said, , please list the kinds of chelators etc

that<br>

> encapsulate instead of passing on to a fetus or breast milk.

Even though I'm<br>

> ancient (44) I'd love to get pregnant again--it has happened to

women in<br>

> their 40's on occassion in our family. I do have my amalgams out

but would<br>

> like to use the encapsulating methods of chelating just in case

a miracle<br>

> happens !<br>

> <br>

>

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[Guest guest]

No, I suppose you could get raw milk that wasn't organic, if the cow was fed hay

that was not organic?

" Organic is a set of environmentally sustainable growing and production

practices that are now certified and regulated by the USDA. Raw is the naturally

occurring, unprocessed and uncoooked state of any food. All organic milk starts

out with the organic cow and all organic cows make raw milk. "

[ ] Re: Question about Nursing with Amalgams

Is " raw " by definition organic?

Anne

>

> <p>Also who knows what toxins are in COWS milk? Or soy milk

formula? Cows don't<br>

> have fillings, but they could eat contaminated feed. Soy could

be grown on<br>

> contaminated ground.<br>

> <br>

> BUT--that said, , please list the kinds of chelators etc

that<br>

> encapsulate instead of passing on to a fetus or breast milk.

Even though I'm<br>

> ancient (44) I'd love to get pregnant again--it has happened to

women in<br>

> their 40's on occassion in our family. I do have my amalgams out

but would<br>

> like to use the encapsulating methods of chelating just in case

a miracle<br>

> happens !<br>

> <br>

>

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>

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No, factory farmed cow's milk is " raw " before it's processed but not generally

available to the public that way. As for cow's milk that is marketed as " raw "

it's more likely that it would be organic but you would need to ask.

S S

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Milk thistle is not a chelator but it does protect/support the liver.

S S

<br>

I don't know - we never got to that point. I'm sure others on the <br>

group know. Milk Thistle, obviously. My doc mentioned chlorella but <br>

others have had bad luck with it here, I guess.<br>

<br>

How about whichever of us is successful first can do the research? <br>

<br>

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It's against the law in Ohio to sell " raw " milk, hence our cow. However, I

think there are states where it is legal to sell raw milk and I think there are

businesses that ship frozen raw milk.

And they do prosecute people who sell raw milk, has been happening here.

[ ] Re: Question about Nursing with Amalgams

No, factory farmed cow's milk is " raw " before it's processed but not generally

available to the public that way. As for cow's milk that is marketed as " raw "

it's more likely that it would be organic but you would need to ask.

S S

<p>Is " raw " by definition organic?<br>

<br>

Anne<br>

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In FL raw milk cannot be sold " for human consumption. " If your

state is like this, then yes, it's illegal to be sold in regular

places but you'd likely find it through a food co-op or by asking at

the local health food store. We can get it here through our co-op

but it's like a " don't ask don't tell. " Or, if you tell, you say

you're buying it for your dog. ha.

Find a source that uses a Jersey, grass fed cow and check out the

farm's credentials to be sure you're getting a decent product.

>

> Hi. I have a 2 1/2 yo son who would most likely be diagnosed as

PDD-

> NOS right now if we pushed for a formal diagnosis. He's been GFCF

> for the past five months, and we implemented supplements and some

> play-based ABA more recently. He met the third counting rule for

> mercury toxicity, and he is super high in copper. I had at least

> two amalgam fillings replaced while pregnant with him, and I

> breastfed him for 14 months.

>

> My question is about my second son, who is 8 1/2 months old. At

> present I am nursing him. After reading about mercury passing

> through breast milk, and being that I still have five amalgam

> fillings, do you think it would be best if I discontinued

> breastfeeding him? I will be sad if I have to quit nursing him

now,

> but I want to do what's best for him. He hasn't shown some of the

> early signs that my older son did (fixation with spinning fans,

> bouncing to an extreme as early as 6 months, and so forth). He

also

> hasn't had the constant diarrhea that my older son had (and still

> has if he eats something to which he is intolerant). In fact, his

> bowel movements were really great (strange as that sounds) up

until

> about three weeks ago when he ran a short-term low-grade fever and

> thereafter developed constipation. (We've been giving him prune

> juice mixed with pear juice (and probiotics when I can remember

it)

> to keep him regular.

>

> Unfortunately I caved to pressure and allowed my infant to receive

> the full schedule of vaccinations until he was 4 months old, at

> which time I drastically slowed down his shots, giving him one

shot

> at that point and then one more at 6 months old. Now I don't plan

> to give him any more shots until he is at least 2 years old (if

> ever).

>

> I'm just so torn about the breastfeeding issue. All along I

thought

> I was doing what was best for my children by nursing them, and now

> I'm not so sure considering the amalgams in my teeth (not to

mention

> what else I might be passing along in terms of toxic load). Does

> the benefit of an immune boost from breastfeeding outweigh the

risk

> of passing along mercury to my baby? If you think it's best to

> discontinue breastfeeding, what would be a good substitute for the

> breastmilk (since I definitely don't want to introduce cow's milk

> anytime soon).

>

> I would appreciate any help/advice you can give to help me keep my

> baby healthy and prevent him (and us) from going through what is

> happening with my older son.

>

> TIA for your help!

>

> Kathy in Florida

>