Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 DMPS is relatively ineffective for lead chelation. DMSA is a much better chelator for lead. Beit Shemesh, Israel , " redrackem " <redrackem@...> wrote: > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD-DMPS. He's > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. Maybe > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some data > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > Thx, > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 my son has been chelating for about a year now with TD-DMPS and wasn't really pulling any lead but was pulling some mercury. We did a challenge test with IV EDTA and he pulled lead off the charts and no mercury so now he is doing both of these chelators. Instead of IV we are doing the suppositories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 every child is different, but, when my son was on td dmps, he pulled TONS of lead. vicki chaya_lottner <lottner1@...> wrote: DMPS is relatively ineffective for lead chelation. DMSA is a much better chelator for lead. Beit Shemesh, Israel , " redrackem " <redrackem@...> wrote: > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD-DMPS. He's > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. Maybe > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some data > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > Thx, > Mark > ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 The every child is different thing - it's true, but it scares me. Does ALA work effectively on lead? This wikipedia thing says DMSA does cross the BBB. I'd heard that it didn't and that's why ALA was used. Is that a myth, then? Thx, Mark > > > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD-DMPS. > He's > > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. > Maybe > > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some > data > > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > > > Thx, > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 This is my question, too. The article just posted about porphyria and testing levels coming back high in those with severe autism and autism with epilepsy lead me to research more and there was indication that lead inhibited ALA and there was a build up of it as the lead could mimic GABA (or something like that -- I'll try to post what I found with more time)...I've seen some GREAT things brining in GABA and our low dose SSRI (same mechanism?). But the ALA is clearly doing something for my son who was dx with lead posioning at 2 years old -- sickening fact, however, because we had " moved away from the source " was never treated back then. I'm just SICK about it. > > > > > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD-DMPS. > > He's > > > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. > > Maybe > > > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > > > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some > > data > > > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > > > > > Thx, > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 One thing that you need to know about Wikipedia is that it is a public encyclopedia and anyone can write articles to submit to them. It is not always accurate. ALA crosses the BBB, DMSA does not. M [ ] Re: DMPS & Lead The every child is different thing - it's true, but it scares me. Does ALA work effectively on lead? This wikipedia thing says DMSA does cross the BBB. I'd heard that it didn't and that's why ALA was used. Is that a myth, then? Thx, Mark > > > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD-DMPS. > He's > > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. > Maybe > > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some > data > > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > > > Thx, > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I have not heard of DMSA or DMPS crossing the BBB. As far as I have read only ALA does this. Pardon me if I am mistaken. ALA can work on lead but not as efficiently or quickly. Andy told me to use DMSA with ALA for my son due to his high level of lead. > > > > > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD- DMPS. > > He's > > > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. > > Maybe > > > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > > > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some > > data > > > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > > > > > Thx, > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Remember that anyone can put info on Wikipedia whether they know what they're talking/writing about or not. S S <BR> ><BR> > The every child is different thing - it's true, but it scares me.<BR> > <BR> > Does ALA work effectively on lead? This wikipedia thing says DMSA<BR> > does cross the BBB. I'd heard that it didn't and that's why ALA <BR> was<BR> > used. Is that a myth, then?<BR> > <BR> > Thx,<BR> > Mark<BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hi and thanks for your answers. And so will ALA also take out lead? I need to get lead out of the brain. Thanks. Mark > > > > > > Our son just tested over the limit for lead. We have TD- DMPS. > > He's > > > been sick so often we don't chelate but average once per month. > > Maybe > > > it's not enough to keep up with the environmental assault. Does > > > anyone know how effective DMPS is against lead? Or is there some > > data > > > comparing lead chelation with DMPS against other chelators? > > > > > > Thx, > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 In a message dated 06/06/2006 12:54:35 GMT Daylight Time, redrackem@... writes: Because if ALA can cross the BBB but it can't lift lead then you can take it all day long and it can't get lead out of the brain, correct? Does ALA chelate lead? Since DMSA doesn't cross the BBB it's not an option. >>Lead is stored primarily in bones. Mercury goes to fatty organs and brain. People are getting lead out with ALA per testing - maybe that action is to do with the part where ALA supports the methylation cycle who knows. I think DMSA/ALA is a good combo for the rnage of metals our kids have (all of them!) and I am liking some NCD between rounds Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Because if ALA can cross the BBB but it can't lift lead then you can take it all day long and it can't get lead out of the brain, correct? Does ALA chelate lead? Since DMSA doesn't cross the BBB it's not an option. > > Hi and thanks for your answers. > > And so will ALA also take out lead? I need to get lead out of the > brain. Thanks. > > Mark > > <snip> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but what of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? If it doesn't cross the BBB, how could they have cognitive improvement? Re: [ ] Re: DMPS & Lead In a message dated 06/06/2006 12:54:35 GMT Daylight Time, redrackem@... writes: Because if ALA can cross the BBB but it can't lift lead then you can take it all day long and it can't get lead out of the brain, correct? Does ALA chelate lead? Since DMSA doesn't cross the BBB it's not an option. >>Lead is stored primarily in bones. Mercury goes to fatty organs and brain. People are getting lead out with ALA per testing - maybe that action is to do with the part where ALA supports the methylation cycle who knows. I think DMSA/ALA is a good combo for the rnage of metals our kids have (all of them!) and I am liking some NCD between rounds Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 > Because if ALA can cross the BBB but it can't lift lead then you can > take it all day long and it can't get lead out of the brain, correct?> Does ALA chelate lead? From what I have read, ALA does address lead but not as effectively as DMSA. >>Since DMSA doesn't cross the BBB it's not an > option. Lead leaches. So you can eliminate some of the body lead, and then lead from the brain will leach out into the body. Eventually the brain lead does come out. There is more descriptive info on that here, which is the experience of one family and includes test results http://www.danasview.net/cheltest.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 > > I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but >that of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? I wonder if they recover or if they just improve. >If it doesn't cross the BBB, how could they have cognitive >improvement? > Mercury interferes with enzyme function. Remove the mercury from the body and enzymes will function better. Enzymes make everything. Remove some mercury from the adrenals, thyroid, liver, gut, and all will function better. I had dramatic increase in cognitive function just by going on a GFCFSF diet with supplements. I still had a mouth full of amalgams back then. I suspect that the improvement was largely due to absorbing nutrients better, supplying deficient nutrients, and maintaining stable blood sugar levels. I get cognitive improvment just from taking in extra salt. I think that's because my adrenals are so shot that I don't make aldosterone (made in the adrenals) properly and have a tendancy to lose sodium. It's so obvious to me that now when I get confused the first thing I do is take some salt. When I try to lower my dose of cortisol or thyroid hormone (all made in the body) the first thing that goes out the window is cognitive function. As I have been adding supplements that help the liver I have noticed dramatic decrease in anxiety. Is anxiety coming from poor brain function, poor liver function, or a whole bunch of complex interactions? It would be good if there were various ways of testing brain function before and after chelation. J > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 > > > > I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but > >that of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? > > > > I wonder if they recover or if they just improve. Yes, I've been thinking about this after that Dateline chelation story. I didn't think the kids who were introduced as recovered looked very good. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I have heard others say this about kids who recovered on dmsa, that they don't look too well. I ask because I am trying to figure something out here. We started with just dmsa for a month, big improvements, then added ala for the duration. We tried early on, round 28 to use Ala alone, but got very foggy brain. Then continued with td-dmps and oral ala. Then just Ala for 10 rounds where we saw nothing, nada, not a thing. Added back the dmsa and got a pretty good bump of improvement. There may be alternate explanations, such as, it was bad Ala, but is was from VRP, which I thought was a pretty good company. All this made me wonder if it wasn't the dmsa which caused all the improvements and not the Ala, which I know is blasphemy, but wondering all the same. I know it did something, and for a lot of kids Ala is the best, but wondering if there are some kids for whom dmsa works better or synergistically they work better, for some. Really just glad we got the wonderful improvements, that is the important part, but was just wondering. [ ] Re: DMPS & Lead > > > > I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but > >that of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? > > > > I wonder if they recover or if they just improve. Yes, I've been thinking about this after that Dateline chelation story. I didn't think the kids who were introduced as recovered looked very good. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 My son was strange on the ALA alone, but some people have chelated completely with it. Barb [ ] Re: DMPS & Lead > > > > I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but > >that of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? > > > > I wonder if they recover or if they just improve. Yes, I've been thinking about this after that Dateline chelation story. I didn't think the kids who were introduced as recovered looked very good. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 If DMSA and DMPS are removing mercury from the body and that leads to things like better enzyme function and improved transport across membranes, I would expect to notice improvements fairly quickly. If ALA is taking mercury out of the brain improvements might take quite some time because brain healing is slow. J > > > > > > I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but > > >that of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? > > > > > > > > I wonder if they recover or if they just improve. > > Yes, I've been thinking about this after that Dateline chelation > story. I didn't think the kids who were introduced as recovered looked > very good. > > Nell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 That makes sense to me, J, thanks. [ ] Re: DMPS & Lead If DMSA and DMPS are removing mercury from the body and that leads to things like better enzyme function and improved transport across membranes, I would expect to notice improvements fairly quickly. If ALA is taking mercury out of the brain improvements might take quite some time because brain healing is slow. J > > > > > > I know it is often stated that dmsa does not cross the BBB, but > > >that of the children who recover on just dmsa alone? > > > > > > > > I wonder if they recover or if they just improve. > > Yes, I've been thinking about this after that Dateline chelation > story. I didn't think the kids who were introduced as recovered looked > very good. > > Nell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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