Re: chelating/constipation experts

[Guest guest]

What I have always been told is that while you are chelating, you

must have bowels daily (a continual struggle in our family). Since

this woman's child is using NDF rather than prescription chelators,

maybe it would be acceptable for her to tolerate only having a bowel

every other day. However, I would think it very important to move

those bowels. If she doesn't, her body will have toxicity from the

backup of waste products. This in turn effects the liver, body ph,

gastrointestinal system, etc. . . . bad domino effect.

I think that maybe she should bring that NDF dosage down or eliminate

it until she gets on top of the constipation problem. I have heard

from individuals that use PCA-RX (a similar type product) that their

children get extremely constipated on the stuff because the toxic

metals concentrate in the feces with this product. You gotta get it

out whether that means Oxypowder, vitamin C, or whatever. If you

can't pass the bowels, there is a need for a time-out on the other

stuff.

NDF is made by BioRay, right? I am pretty sure that Tami Wilken

(moderator of the BioRay list serve) has told others to conquer the

constipation problem first before proceeding with the detoxification

process. But she could probably post this question there to be sure.

Jeni Lynn

>

> Trying to help a mom figure out what happened to her child, she was

chelating with NDF, the child was having trouble moving her bowels,

so for those of you who have kids with problems with constipation, do

you still chelate if they are constipated and if not, is it because

they can regress if they are constipated?

>

> I realize that NDF has chlorella, which is unreliable, but could it

possibly have been the constipation?

>

> I looked on onibasu, from Andy not much as I didn't get the

impression he thought it much of a problem, that is chelating a child

who was constipated. There was a post that said the intestinal wall

would not absorb the toxins, or something like that. Sorry so vague.

>

> Any help appreciated.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

constipation is definitely bad during chelation. We see a total

collapse of normalcy in our kid if this happens. Regression, ill

behavior, the works. I have learned to make sure he is going daily

before we start a round.

Her child may be constipated as a result of yeast flare up, no

matter what chelator anytime you get metals through the gut it

destroys some of the probiotics and the yeast can overgrow. Also, as

I have read it yeast is the bodies response to metals in an attempt

to destroy the metals. Not that it does, but the body thinks it

might help. I have yeast and have never chelated. Just part of

mercury and metals going through.

In cases where we are chelating and not seeing a bowel movement each

day we use something called Little Rememdies that is made of senna.

It works like a charm and is not habit forming. You can also look

for Children's Sennakot. You may not need to give it everyday. In

our case, we give it once the day before we begin a round. And then

if he has not gone on the first day of the round, we give it before

bed, so he goes the second day. So basically give the child the

entire day and if they have not gone at bedtime, or they are gassy

but no bm..

Basically, ensure a bm everyday. Chlorella shouldn't make her

constipated. It is seaweed and should make her go if nothing else.

We do not stop chelating we just make sure he goes if that means

senna..then senna it is. I used Children's sennakot with my 11 year

old when she was 2-4 years of age without any problems. It is not

habit forming. Just start at a lower dose than the box says. If that

dose works, then no need to go higher. This is far safer than any

prescription for constipation the doc's give out. I am sure there

are other natural things to move the bowels as well, but I think

some kids need help with this depending on the yeast. I know my son

can go days if we don't intervene. I have learned not to let it go

longer than 24 hours. For example he did not go today, if he has not

had a bm by 11am tomorrow, he will get senna. This one dose seems to

keep him going for a few days before we get bound up again.

I can't scientifically tell you whether or not they reabsorb toxins,

but it sure seems so. Because they get sick and regress. So

logically speaking...they must reabsorb. Hope this helps.

>

> Trying to help a mom figure out what happened to her child, she

was chelating with NDF, the child was having trouble moving her

bowels, so for those of you who have kids with problems with

constipation, do you still chelate if they are constipated and if

not, is it because they can regress if they are constipated?

>

> I realize that NDF has chlorella, which is unreliable, but could

it possibly have been the constipation?

>

> I looked on onibasu, from Andy not much as I didn't get the

impression he thought it much of a problem, that is chelating a

child who was constipated. There was a post that said the intestinal

wall would not absorb the toxins, or something like that. Sorry so

vague.

>

> Any help appreciated.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> constipation is definitely bad during chelation. We see a total

> collapse of normalcy in our kid if this happens.

Jan, do you also see this with " just plain constipation "

(with NO CHELATION). I think constipation is a big problem,

but I do not think it is a " chelation " problem. I think it

is " a separate problem " .

> I can't scientifically tell you whether or not they reabsorb

toxins,

> but it sure seems so. Because they get sick and regress. So

> logically speaking...they must reabsorb. Hope this helps.

I think there is a problem with " toxins " but I'm NOT referring

to mercury.

In the end it may not really make a lot of difference -- I would

treat it as I would a question about " illness " -- is this

constipation so much of a body stress that you don't want to

chelate? Maybe. Then again, MANY people are constipated

most or all of the time. It is good to change this, but

it is also okay to chelate, IMO.

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

[Guest guest]

Yes we do see it without chelation. That was one of the first symptoms

that something was wrong, he always had problems going. No matter what

we fed him, and it really affected his behavior.

Probiotics fixed it at first, but then it came back. GSE then fixed it

but it comes back and we have to increase the dose. When he seems

yeast free, and is going everday easily..we stop the GSE and continue

probiotics..and eventually we are back to square one.

I agree that it is not a chelation problem per say. As I have battled

it myself for years. (merc toxic here). I must stay on GSE and

probiotics or it returnes. And I do not eat dairy.

> >

> > constipation is definitely bad during chelation. We see a total

> > collapse of normalcy in our kid if this happens.

>

> Jan, do you also see this with " just plain constipation "

> (with NO CHELATION). I think constipation is a big problem,

> but I do not think it is a " chelation " problem. I think it

> is " a separate problem " .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who gave an answer to the chelation/constipation dilemma. Do any

of you think if a child is chelated while constipated it could cause a

regression in the child?

Because of the chelator used, I am suspicious, but wondering about regression

caused by constipation.

[ ] Re: chelating/constipation experts

constipation is definitely bad during chelation. We see a total

collapse of normalcy in our kid if this happens. Regression, ill

behavior, the works. I have learned to make sure he is going daily

before we start a round.

Her child may be constipated as a result of yeast flare up, no

matter what chelator anytime you get metals through the gut it

destroys some of the probiotics and the yeast can overgrow. Also, as

I have read it yeast is the bodies response to metals in an attempt

to destroy the metals. Not that it does, but the body thinks it

might help. I have yeast and have never chelated. Just part of

mercury and metals going through.

In cases where we are chelating and not seeing a bowel movement each

day we use something called Little Rememdies that is made of senna.

It works like a charm and is not habit forming. You can also look

for Children's Sennakot. You may not need to give it everyday. In

our case, we give it once the day before we begin a round. And then

if he has not gone on the first day of the round, we give it before

bed, so he goes the second day. So basically give the child the

entire day and if they have not gone at bedtime, or they are gassy

but no bm..

Basically, ensure a bm everyday. Chlorella shouldn't make her

constipated. It is seaweed and should make her go if nothing else.

We do not stop chelating we just make sure he goes if that means

senna..then senna it is. I used Children's sennakot with my 11 year

old when she was 2-4 years of age without any problems. It is not

habit forming. Just start at a lower dose than the box says. If that

dose works, then no need to go higher. This is far safer than any

prescription for constipation the doc's give out. I am sure there

are other natural things to move the bowels as well, but I think

some kids need help with this depending on the yeast. I know my son

can go days if we don't intervene. I have learned not to let it go

longer than 24 hours. For example he did not go today, if he has not

had a bm by 11am tomorrow, he will get senna. This one dose seems to

keep him going for a few days before we get bound up again.

I can't scientifically tell you whether or not they reabsorb toxins,

but it sure seems so. Because they get sick and regress. So

logically speaking...they must reabsorb. Hope this helps.

>

> Trying to help a mom figure out what happened to her child, she

was chelating with NDF, the child was having trouble moving her

bowels, so for those of you who have kids with problems with

constipation, do you still chelate if they are constipated and if

not, is it because they can regress if they are constipated?

>

> I realize that NDF has chlorella, which is unreliable, but could

it possibly have been the constipation?

>

> I looked on onibasu, from Andy not much as I didn't get the

impression he thought it much of a problem, that is chelating a

child who was constipated. There was a post that said the intestinal

wall would not absorb the toxins, or something like that. Sorry so

vague.

>

> Any help appreciated.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really beleive it can. I have seen my son regress when constipated

during chelation. For us we have been able to reverse the regression

by fixing the constipation, this may not be so for everyone. If he

is constipated during chelation he regresses back to behaviors we

saw before we began biomed or chelation.

So I would agree with you that this child your are trying to help

probably regressed from constipation getting out of hand. It might

not have mattered if she had chelation or not at the time, just it

was a the cause of the constipation in this case, but if she had

gotten constipated from something else to the same extent, I think

the results would be the same. Regression.

-- In , " Cochran "

<Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks to all who gave an answer to the chelation/constipation

dilemma. Do any of you think if a child is chelated while

constipated it could cause a regression in the child?

>

> Because of the chelator used, I am suspicious, but wondering about

regression caused by constipation.

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: chelating/constipation experts

>

>

> constipation is definitely bad during chelation. We see a total

> collapse of normalcy in our kid if this happens. Regression, ill

> behavior, the works. I have learned to make sure he is going

daily

> before we start a round.

> Her child may be constipated as a result of yeast flare up, no

> matter what chelator anytime you get metals through the gut it

> destroys some of the probiotics and the yeast can overgrow.

Also, as

> I have read it yeast is the bodies response to metals in an

attempt

> to destroy the metals. Not that it does, but the body thinks it

> might help. I have yeast and have never chelated. Just part of

> mercury and metals going through.

> In cases where we are chelating and not seeing a bowel movement

each

> day we use something called Little Rememdies that is made of

senna.

> It works like a charm and is not habit forming. You can also

look

> for Children's Sennakot. You may not need to give it everyday.

In

> our case, we give it once the day before we begin a round. And

then

> if he has not gone on the first day of the round, we give it

before

> bed, so he goes the second day. So basically give the child the

> entire day and if they have not gone at bedtime, or they are

gassy

> but no bm..

> Basically, ensure a bm everyday. Chlorella shouldn't make her

> constipated. It is seaweed and should make her go if nothing

else.

> We do not stop chelating we just make sure he goes if that means

> senna..then senna it is. I used Children's sennakot with my 11

year

> old when she was 2-4 years of age without any problems. It is

not

> habit forming. Just start at a lower dose than the box says. If

that

> dose works, then no need to go higher. This is far safer than

any

> prescription for constipation the doc's give out. I am sure

there

> are other natural things to move the bowels as well, but I think

> some kids need help with this depending on the yeast. I know my

son

> can go days if we don't intervene. I have learned not to let it

go

> longer than 24 hours. For example he did not go today, if he has

not

> had a bm by 11am tomorrow, he will get senna. This one dose

seems to

> keep him going for a few days before we get bound up again.

>

> I can't scientifically tell you whether or not they reabsorb

toxins,

> but it sure seems so. Because they get sick and regress. So

> logically speaking...they must reabsorb. Hope this helps.

>

>

> >

> > Trying to help a mom figure out what happened to her child,

she

> was chelating with NDF, the child was having trouble moving her

> bowels, so for those of you who have kids with problems with

> constipation, do you still chelate if they are constipated and

if

> not, is it because they can regress if they are constipated?

> >

> > I realize that NDF has chlorella, which is unreliable, but

could

> it possibly have been the constipation?

> >

> > I looked on onibasu, from Andy not much as I didn't get the

> impression he thought it much of a problem, that is chelating a

> child who was constipated. There was a post that said the

intestinal

> wall would not absorb the toxins, or something like that. Sorry

so

> vague.

> >

> > Any help appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

our DAN won't do chelation on kids with chronic constipation because

he said that it is toxic -- your pulling out the stuff and it is

sitting in the gut and can do more damage. Fortunately, my ASD

kiddo doesn't have this issue (his are always loose) -- my NT one

(who is also mercury poisoned) does -- so he can't chelate yet.

Years ago our ped gave us a script for a powder that you mix in

drinks to help promote bowel movements. I honestly can't remember

the name of it -- but it did work. You have to play with the dosage

to get it right - too much works too well! It helps soften things

up -- for some reason I think it had magnesium in it's name? it was

via prescription and insurance covered it.

Diane

> >

[Guest guest]

Are you referring to Miralax? Which is polyethylene glycol? It

supposed to bulk up the stool and draw water into to it to soften it.

Or maybe you are referring to something else. At least I hope so. If

it was just a magnesium thing that would be great. Because for us

Miralax made my son sick. He couldn't even go constipated poops after

we gave him that, just no poops. We had to stop using it and bablax

him for like a week to get all that out of there. I beleive it just

masked the underlying problem. Why are they constipated? There is

usually a reason, and doc's don't address that. We started probiotics

after that which actually worked. And did a hair test to find that my

son was very metal toxic. I don't think anyone could poop lead! I did

use the Miralax to unclog my basement wash basin drain though! It

makes me wonder why doctors don't suggest somthing like psyllium

powder or Benefiber, something not so questionable. Oh yeah, no perks

for prescribing that.

Please pardon my attitude on the script poop meds...nothing personal!

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, thanks! Now I know what to do with that old bottle of Miralax

sitting in my cupboard!

What about Epsom Salts? Anybody found a child's dosage for that?

> > > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What about Epsom Salts? Anybody found a child's dosage for that?

My kids do well with 1/2 c. of Epsom Salts and 1/2 c. baking soda

(helps with absorption of the Epsom Salts) in their bath, sitting in

the tub for 20 minutes.

Jeni Lynn

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the information, it was appreciated.

[ ] Re: chelating/constipation experts

>

>

> constipation is definitely bad during chelation. We see a total

> collapse of normalcy in our kid if this happens. Regression, ill

> behavior, the works. I have learned to make sure he is going

daily

> before we start a round.

> Her child may be constipated as a result of yeast flare up, no

> matter what chelator anytime you get metals through the gut it

> destroys some of the probiotics and the yeast can overgrow.

Also, as

> I have read it yeast is the bodies response to metals in an

attempt

> to destroy the metals. Not that it does, but the body thinks it

> might help. I have yeast and have never chelated. Just part of

> mercury and metals going through.

> In cases where we are chelating and not seeing a bowel movement

each

> day we use something called Little Rememdies that is made of

senna.

> It works like a charm and is not habit forming. You can also

look

> for Children's Sennakot. You may not need to give it everyday.

In

> our case, we give it once the day before we begin a round. And

then

> if he has not gone on the first day of the round, we give it

before

> bed, so he goes the second day. So basically give the child the

> entire day and if they have not gone at bedtime, or they are

gassy

> but no bm..

> Basically, ensure a bm everyday. Chlorella shouldn't make her

> constipated. It is seaweed and should make her go if nothing

else.

> We do not stop chelating we just make sure he goes if that means

> senna..then senna it is. I used Children's sennakot with my 11

year

> old when she was 2-4 years of age without any problems. It is

not

> habit forming. Just start at a lower dose than the box says. If

that

> dose works, then no need to go higher. This is far safer than

any

> prescription for constipation the doc's give out. I am sure

there

> are other natural things to move the bowels as well, but I think

> some kids need help with this depending on the yeast. I know my

son

> can go days if we don't intervene. I have learned not to let it

go

> longer than 24 hours. For example he did not go today, if he has

not

> had a bm by 11am tomorrow, he will get senna. This one dose

seems to

> keep him going for a few days before we get bound up again.

>

> I can't scientifically tell you whether or not they reabsorb

toxins,

> but it sure seems so. Because they get sick and regress. So

> logically speaking...they must reabsorb. Hope this helps.

>

>

> >

> > Trying to help a mom figure out what happened to her child,

she

> was chelating with NDF, the child was having trouble moving her

> bowels, so for those of you who have kids with problems with

> constipation, do you still chelate if they are constipated and

if

> not, is it because they can regress if they are constipated?

> >

> > I realize that NDF has chlorella, which is unreliable, but

could

> it possibly have been the constipation?

> >

> > I looked on onibasu, from Andy not much as I didn't get the

> impression he thought it much of a problem, that is chelating a

> child who was constipated. There was a post that said the

intestinal

> wall would not absorb the toxins, or something like that. Sorry

so

> vague.

> >

> > Any help appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >