Who Owns Your Child? - Fantastic article by Dr Sheri Tenpenny.

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Who Owns Your Child?

“Who really has control over my child?” “When is a child mature enough to

participate in his own healthcare decisions?” “How did we get to the place where

doctors, judges and social workers have more rights than parents over the

healthcare decisions of a child?”.....

http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri10.htm

by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO

[We can expand this to consider the rights of an infant. The rights of an

infant should be judged on the basis of the social milieu in which it is born.

Sometimes this may over ride even the wishes of the parents. Rights of an infant

are very important as it does not have a voice. - Jagannath]

" Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest

of life by the power of the spirit. " - Aurobindo.

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Normally the Government does I believe.

http://www.satanicvaccines.com/BirthCertificates.htm

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Misty,

Would it be different if your son was born at home, not in the hospital? What

are you doing to get him out of the system?

Olga

Re: Re: Who Owns Your Child? - Fantastic article by Dr

Sheri Tenpenny.

We believe this 110%. We really regret having our son in a hospital after all

we have learned, and are now in the process of trying to get him out of the

system, although I have to say it is a HUGE fight and is far from easy. Oh if we

only knew then what we know now, but we had only begun to stumble on what is

REALLY going on with the government.

~Misty

<vaccinegenocide@...> wrote:

Normally the Government does I believe.

http://www.satanicvaccines.com/BirthCertificates.htm

~Misty SAHM to - 10 months old

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Misty,

No, I don't think this can be offending in any way! Very interesting though.

What happens if you give birth at home and your child never gets a birth

certificate or SSN? Can this person function in this society then? How about

international travelling, schooling, insurance, taxes etc? I don't like the idea

of everyone being bar coded myself, but what are the effects of not conforming?

Isn't it gonna be too much trouble for the family? (Well, I totally agree that

it is a lot of trouble when we conform as well...) We still have to live in

this society and get our needs met. Can your child participate in life if he has

no status of an existing person? Is there gonna be someone after you if you

don't conform and never register your child?

Olga

Re: Re: Who Owns Your Child? - Fantastic article by Dr

Sheri Tenpenny.

He would not have a birth certificate, SSN, etc. We knew enough to not get

married legally. We intend to become united in Holy Matrimony, not marriage. We

will not sign the paper that the government (and society) wants us to (and yes,

we are practicing christians, which seems to be people's first response).

However, it can be difficult finding a pastor that will do this, as they have to

be educated in the same way we are (they exist, but none are local and with the

baby we haven't found the means to travel to make it happen yet).

The process to get our son out takes MANY MANY steps which we have only just

begun, and are in for a LONG journey, but he is worth it. One simple thing, for

starters, is you are not required to give your child's SSN etc. Many people when

taking their child to the doctor, etc. think they have to put their child's SSN

down because there is a place for it, but this is not the case. Children did not

even have a SSN not too long ago, they just recently starting giving them one at

birth. They CLAIM this is due to tax reasons (HAHAHA!). Anyhow, we made our

mistakes, and now we have to go back and clean up after ourselves. Too bad

because prevention is better and easier than " cure " .

Anyhow, I hope I have not offended anybody with our beliefs. These are just

ours and I don't mean to be offensive in any way.

~Misty SAHM to - 10 months old

http://www.juiceplus.com/+mk43989

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Can you get your child tax credit if you cannot provide proof that he/she

exists?

I'm with , though, and feel that we probably need to scoot this very

interesting discussion over to the OT4Vax group.

Sheri B.

pubrel <pubrel@...> wrote:

Misty,

No, I don't think this can be offending in any way! Very interesting though.

What happens if you give birth at home and your child never gets a birth

certificate or SSN? Can this person function in this society then? How about

international travelling, schooling, insurance, taxes etc? I don't like the idea

of everyone being bar coded myself, but what are the effects of not conforming?

Isn't it gonna be too much trouble for the family? (Well, I totally agree that

it is a lot of trouble when we conform as well...) We still have to live in this

society and get our needs met. Can your child participate in life if he has no

status of an existing person? Is there gonna be someone after you if you don't

conform and never register your child?

Olga

Re: Re: Who Owns Your Child? - Fantastic article by Dr

Sheri Tenpenny.

He would not have a birth certificate, SSN, etc. We knew enough to not get

married legally. We intend to become united in Holy Matrimony, not marriage. We

will not sign the paper that the government (and society) wants us to (and yes,

we are practicing christians, which seems to be people's first response).

However, it can be difficult finding a pastor that will do this, as they have to

be educated in the same way we are (they exist, but none are local and with the

baby we haven't found the means to travel to make it happen yet).

The process to get our son out takes MANY MANY steps which we have only just

begun, and are in for a LONG journey, but he is worth it. One simple thing, for

starters, is you are not required to give your child's SSN etc. Many people when

taking their child to the doctor, etc. think they have to put their child's SSN

down because there is a place for it, but this is not the case. Children did not

even have a SSN not too long ago, they just recently starting giving them one at

birth. They CLAIM this is due to tax reasons (HAHAHA!). Anyhow, we made our

mistakes, and now we have to go back and clean up after ourselves. Too bad

because prevention is better and easier than " cure " .

Anyhow, I hope I have not offended anybody with our beliefs. These are just ours

and I don't mean to be offensive in any way.

~Misty SAHM to - 10 months old

http://www.juiceplus.com/+mk43989

http://www.stayinhomeandlovinit.com/cgi-bin/team.cgi?id=Mi253953 & action=show

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No I'm not, but thanks because now I realize this is a conversation for

that board. I will submit to get on it to finish conversation on this topic

there. Sorry everybody!

~Misty

<claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

Misty, Dan, are you on the OT4VAX list? I'd like to

discuss/ask questions, but not on here as it does not

have anything to do with vaccines. Sort of.

--- Misty Knapp <gregsmom2005@...> wrote:

> He would not have a birth certificate, SSN, etc. We

> knew enough to not get married legally. We intend

> to become united in Holy Matrimony, not marriage.

> We will not sign the paper that the government (and

> society) wants us to (and yes, we are practicing

> christians, which seems to be people's first

> response). However, it can be difficult finding a

> pastor that will do this, as they have to be

> educated in the same way we are (they exist, but

> none are local and with the baby we haven't found

> the means to travel to make it happen yet).

>

> The process to get our son out takes MANY MANY

> steps which we have only just begun, and are in for

> a LONG journey, but he is worth it. One simple

> thing, for starters, is you are not required to give

> your child's SSN etc. Many people when taking

> their child to the doctor, etc. think they have to

> put their child's SSN down because there is a place

> for it, but this is not the case. Children did not

> even have a SSN not too long ago, they just recently

> starting giving them one at birth. They CLAIM this

> is due to tax reasons (HAHAHA!). Anyhow, we made

> our mistakes, and now we have to go back and clean

> up after ourselves. Too bad because prevention is

> better and easier than " cure " .

>

> Anyhow, I hope I have not offended anybody with

> our beliefs. These are just ours and I don't mean

> to be offensive in any way.

>

>

> ~Misty SAHM to - 10 months old

>

> http://www.juiceplus.com/+mk43989

>

>

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Misty,

I think that this is directly connected to the subject of vaccination! I have

just visited the web site you provided and it has confirmed that the vaccination

is the first implication here.

http://www.satanicvaccines.com/SocialSecurity.htm

So please feel free to continue here now if you feel like doing it.

It would also be intereting to hear Sheri N's comments on this if she comes to

this later. I don't think she participates in OT that much (or am I wrong?)

Olga

Re: Re: Who Owns Your Child? - Fantastic article by Dr

Sheri Tenpenny.

No I'm not, but thanks because now I realize this is a conversation

for that board. I will submit to get on it to finish conversation on this topic

there. Sorry everybody!

~Misty

<claudiaayaz@...> wrote:

Misty, Dan, are you on the OT4VAX list? I'd like to

discuss/ask questions, but not on here as it does not

have anything to do with vaccines. Sort of.

--- Misty Knapp <gregsmom2005@...> wrote:

> He would not have a birth certificate, SSN, etc. We

> knew enough to not get married legally. We intend

> to become united in Holy Matrimony, not marriage.

> We will not sign the paper that the government (and

> society) wants us to (and yes, we are practicing

> christians, which seems to be people's first

> response). However, it can be difficult finding a

> pastor that will do this, as they have to be

> educated in the same way we are (they exist, but

> none are local and with the baby we haven't found

> the means to travel to make it happen yet).

>

> The process to get our son out takes MANY MANY

> steps which we have only just begun, and are in for

> a LONG journey, but he is worth it. One simple

> thing, for starters, is you are not required to give

> your child's SSN etc. Many people when taking

> their child to the doctor, etc. think they have to

> put their child's SSN down because there is a place

> for it, but this is not the case. Children did not

> even have a SSN not too long ago, they just recently

> starting giving them one at birth. They CLAIM this

> is due to tax reasons (HAHAHA!). Anyhow, we made

> our mistakes, and now we have to go back and clean

> up after ourselves. Too bad because prevention is

> better and easier than " cure " .

>

> Anyhow, I hope I have not offended anybody with

> our beliefs. These are just ours and I don't mean

> to be offensive in any way.

>

>

> ~Misty SAHM to - 10 months old

>

> http://www.juiceplus.com/+mk43989

>

>

http://www.stayinhomeandlovinit.com/cgi-bin/team.cgi?id=Mi253953 & action=show

>

>

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> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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