Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear listmates, Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for my son. My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox. These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad, affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring, stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc. We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic, feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9 Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we saw, the results. My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic. Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum, astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a better starting point for a viral protocol. We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol. Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours, sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close, that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45, gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours of off and on pushing. The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol, the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort. These have been the outcomes of our protocol: He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly. That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it has clearly been dealt with. He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90 minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10 minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc. He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find him. He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a wonderful thing for all of us. He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before. His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand things that meant nothing to him before. He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently lovely ƒº Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of questions about viral protocols. Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 This is great, Anita, so glad there were improvements. [ ] Viral protocol update: very long Dear listmates, Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for my son. My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox. These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad, affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring, stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc. We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic, feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9 Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we saw, the results. My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic. Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum, astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a better starting point for a viral protocol. We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol. Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours, sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close, that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45, gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours of off and on pushing. The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol, the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort. These have been the outcomes of our protocol: He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly. That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it has clearly been dealt with. He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90 minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10 minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc. He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find him. He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a wonderful thing for all of us. He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before. His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand things that meant nothing to him before. He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently lovely fº Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of questions about viral protocols. Anita ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Bravo!!!! I am completely and utterly happy for you & your little one, Anita. René Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 That is so great Anita!! Thank you for posting!! My son also sounds like Darth Vader so I am hopeful we can take care of that with anti-virals! Congrats! > > Dear listmates, > > Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for > my son. > > My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal > containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but > in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR > which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox. > These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he > found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive > activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice > anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad, > affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression > after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring, > stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc. > > We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple > weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic, > feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9 > Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE > > I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we > saw, the results. > > My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic. > Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum, > astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual > assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit > C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a > better starting point for a viral protocol. > > We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and > a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of > the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops > of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE > had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my > son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol. > > Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were > quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours, > sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more > fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect > of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we > started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these > reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores > on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close, > that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on > his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is > nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to > watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I > said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time > constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation > ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts > of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be > through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45, > gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other > than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have > been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD > moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours > of off and on pushing. > > The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was > best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the > idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too > daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any > regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be > sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol, > the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not > sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me > believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is > no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of > antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are > easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort. > > These have been the outcomes of our protocol: > > He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long > time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a > very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his > nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly. > That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses > and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it > has clearly been dealt with. > > He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or > enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he > wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it > was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in > front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90 > minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to > us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still > loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing > before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10 > minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc. > He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly > loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in > different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find > him. > > He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral > protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any > affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, > leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a > wonderful thing for all of us. > > He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which > involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before. > > His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand > things that meant nothing to him before. > > He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet > and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but > didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat > anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks > into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the > table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since > then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he > searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was > hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had > just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his > mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and > ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you > had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the > entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently > lovely ƒº > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > questions about viral protocols. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 What do you use for yeast during all this? How long does it have to be in place prior to starting anti-virals? I just received some labs tonight, including elevated EBV and his DAN sent an rx for Valtrex and told me to put him on 300 to 600mg/day or monolauren - Is that lauricidin? Where do I get it? Thanks! > > Dear listmates, > > Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for > my son. > > My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal > containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but > in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR > which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox. > These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he > found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive > activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice > anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad, > affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression > after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring, > stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc. > > We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple > weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic, > feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9 > Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE > > I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we > saw, the results. > > My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic. > Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum, > astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual > assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit > C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a > better starting point for a viral protocol. > > We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and > a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of > the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops > of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE > had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my > son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol. > > Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were > quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours, > sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more > fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect > of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we > started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these > reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores > on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close, > that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on > his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is > nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to > watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I > said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time > constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation > ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts > of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be > through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45, > gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other > than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have > been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD > moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours > of off and on pushing. > > The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was > best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the > idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too > daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any > regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be > sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol, > the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not > sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me > believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is > no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of > antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are > easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort. > > These have been the outcomes of our protocol: > > He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long > time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a > very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his > nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly. > That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses > and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it > has clearly been dealt with. > > He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or > enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he > wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it > was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in > front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90 > minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to > us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still > loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing > before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10 > minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc. > He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly > loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in > different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find > him. > > He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral > protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any > affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, > leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a > wonderful thing for all of us. > > He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which > involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before. > > His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand > things that meant nothing to him before. > > He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet > and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but > didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat > anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks > into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the > table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since > then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he > searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was > hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had > just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his > mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and > ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you > had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the > entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently > lovely ƒº > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > questions about viral protocols. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Anita, I am so happy to hear of your little one's improvements. Kudos to him for tolerating everything so well and to you for being able to administer that regimen! Anne > > Dear listmates, > > Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for > my son. > > My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal > containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but > in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR > which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox. > These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he > found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive > activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice > anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad, > affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression > after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring, > stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc. > > We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple > weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic, > feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9 > Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE > > I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we > saw, the results. > > My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic. > Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum, > astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual > assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit > C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a > better starting point for a viral protocol. > > We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and > a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of > the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops > of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE > had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my > son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol. > > Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were > quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours, > sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more > fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect > of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we > started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these > reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores > on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close, > that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on > his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is > nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to > watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I > said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time > constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation > ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts > of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be > through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45, > gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other > than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have > been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD > moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours > of off and on pushing. > > The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was > best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the > idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too > daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any > regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be > sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol, > the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not > sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me > believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is > no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of > antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are > easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort. > > These have been the outcomes of our protocol: > > He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long > time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a > very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his > nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly. > That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses > and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it > has clearly been dealt with. > > He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or > enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he > wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it > was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in > front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90 > minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to > us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still > loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing > before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10 > minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc. > He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly > loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in > different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find > him. > > He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral > protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any > affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, > leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a > wonderful thing for all of us. > > He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which > involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before. > > His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand > things that meant nothing to him before. > > He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet > and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but > didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat > anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks > into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the > table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since > then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he > searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was > hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had > just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his > mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and > ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you > had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the > entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently > lovely ƒº > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > questions about viral protocols. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 > Prior to the viral > protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any > affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, > leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a > wonderful thing for all of us. > My favorite part! Hooray for all of you! Damn viruses! Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Oh Anita thank you for sharing all of that with us. Those are WONDERFUL improvements and I am sure that you (and he) are happy to be finished with all of those enzymes!!! It makes me so sad thinking of how these viruses can make our children so miserable. Congratulations for getting thru it all and maintaining your sanity. Sheresa > > Dear listmates, > > Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for > my son. > > My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal > containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but > in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR > which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox. > These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he > found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive > activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice > anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad, > affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression > after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring, > stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc. > > We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple > weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic, > feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9 > Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE > > I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we > saw, the results. > > My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic. > Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum, > astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual > assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit > C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a > better starting point for a viral protocol. > > We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and > a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of > the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops > of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE > had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my > son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol. > > Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were > quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours, > sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more > fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect > of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we > started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these > reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores > on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close, > that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on > his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is > nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to > watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I > said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time > constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation > ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts > of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be > through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45, > gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other > than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have > been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD > moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours > of off and on pushing. > > The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was > best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the > idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too > daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any > regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be > sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol, > the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not > sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me > believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is > no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of > antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are > easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort. > > These have been the outcomes of our protocol: > > He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long > time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a > very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his > nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly. > That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses > and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it > has clearly been dealt with. > > He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or > enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he > wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it > was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in > front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90 > minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to > us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still > loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing > before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10 > minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc. > He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly > loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in > different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find > him. > > He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral > protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any > affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, > leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a > wonderful thing for all of us. > > He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which > involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before. > > His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand > things that meant nothing to him before. > > He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet > and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but > didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat > anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks > into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the > table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since > then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he > searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was > hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had > just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his > mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and > ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you > had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the > entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently > lovely ƒº > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > questions about viral protocols. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 We have also seen an new affection for Daddy...we are giving the NCD a try with dramatic results and we believe it is addressing viral issues as well. Daddy has been on cloud nine...I love to watch them together...after 3 yrs he is letting daddy into his life and its amazing. Lillian fjennings@... fldofdrms@... [ ] Re: Viral protocol update: very long > Prior to the viral > protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any > affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut, > leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a > wonderful thing for all of us. > My favorite part! Hooray for all of you! Damn viruses! Nell ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Thank you for the long update Anita! I am so happy for you and your little one. These are great improvements! Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 > Dear listmates, > > Here is an update on my son's viral protocol, as promised. > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > questions about viral protocols. > > Anita Anita, Thanks for the update. Its wonderful to hear of all the positives you've seen. So you haven't noticed any negatives from stopping cold turkey. That's great. Please do post right away if you do. I was just sitting here wondering if I've caused my ds any harm from (unintentionally) stopping VS cold. He woke up yesterday, his last full day of school, with a bad tummy ache. I was afraid to give him his VS and make it worse. So he didn't take any VS yesterday and now this morning, his last day of school, I forgot to give him all of his supplements. He got ready for school with only one prompt. I mean all the way ready, with backpack on & everything and yelled to me its time to go! I was stunned. Usually I have to prompt him though almost all of the steps. So he threw me off, lol. I will start back up when he gets home. I don't think we are done. We've been kind of holding where we were at to get through the last weeks of school. I want to get through the end of this fast and get back to chelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 , No negatives yet, only good stuff. We have been up for a few hours each night since then, but I think it is because I started chelation again as soon as we were done the viral protocol. We had to stop chelating for about 3 weeks, and I think the slightly higher dose I used has kicked up lots of yeast. I don't think it is a good idea to stop and start VS over and over again, but I don't think it would be a problem to have to stop and start for emergencies like the one you describe. Anita PS. Thanks for the kind words mattsonsmommy. It is so gratifying to be understood :-) > > > Dear listmates, > > > > Here is an update on my son's viral protocol, as promised. > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > > questions about viral protocols. > > > > Anita > > Anita, > > Thanks for the update. Its wonderful to hear of all the positives > you've seen. > > So you haven't noticed any negatives from stopping cold turkey. > That's great. Please do post right away if you do. I was just > sitting here wondering if I've caused my ds any harm from > (unintentionally) stopping VS cold. He woke up yesterday, his last > full day of school, with a bad tummy ache. I was afraid to give him > his VS and make it worse. So he didn't take any VS yesterday and > now this morning, his last day of school, I forgot to give him all > of his supplements. He got ready for school with only one prompt. > I mean all the way ready, with backpack on & everything and yelled > to me its time to go! I was stunned. Usually I have to prompt him > though almost all of the steps. So he threw me off, lol. I will > start back up when he gets home. I don't think we are done. We've > been kind of holding where we were at to get through the last weeks > of school. I want to get through the end of this fast and get back > to chelation. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 I understand you. > > > > > Dear listmates, > > > > > > Here is an update on my son's viral protocol, as promised. > > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of > > > questions about viral protocols. > > > > > > Anita > > > > Anita, > > > > Thanks for the update. Its wonderful to hear of all the positives > > you've seen. > > > > So you haven't noticed any negatives from stopping cold turkey. > > That's great. Please do post right away if you do. I was just > > sitting here wondering if I've caused my ds any harm from > > (unintentionally) stopping VS cold. He woke up yesterday, his > last > > full day of school, with a bad tummy ache. I was afraid to give > him > > his VS and make it worse. So he didn't take any VS yesterday and > > now this morning, his last day of school, I forgot to give him all > > of his supplements. He got ready for school with only one > prompt. > > I mean all the way ready, with backpack on & everything and yelled > > to me its time to go! I was stunned. Usually I have to prompt > him > > though almost all of the steps. So he threw me off, lol. I will > > start back up when he gets home. I don't think we are done. > We've > > been kind of holding where we were at to get through the last > weeks > > of school. I want to get through the end of this fast and get > back > > to chelation. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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