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Dear listmates,

Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for

my son.

My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal

containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but

in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR

which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox.

These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he

found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive

activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice

anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad,

affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression

after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring,

stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc.

We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple

weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic,

feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9

Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE

I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we

saw, the results.

My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic.

Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum,

astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual

assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit

C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a

better starting point for a viral protocol.

We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and

a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of

the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops

of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE

had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my

son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol.

Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were

quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours,

sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more

fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect

of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we

started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these

reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores

on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close,

that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on

his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is

nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to

watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I

said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time

constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation

ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts

of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be

through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45,

gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other

than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have

been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD

moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours

of off and on pushing.

The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was

best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the

idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too

daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any

regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be

sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol,

the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not

sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me

believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is

no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of

antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are

easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort.

These have been the outcomes of our protocol:

He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long

time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a

very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his

nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly.

That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses

and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it

has clearly been dealt with.

He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or

enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he

wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it

was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in

front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90

minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to

us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still

loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing

before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10

minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc.

He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly

loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in

different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find

him.

He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral

protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any

affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut,

leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a

wonderful thing for all of us.

He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which

involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before.

His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand

things that meant nothing to him before.

He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet

and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but

didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat

anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks

into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the

table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since

then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he

searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was

hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had

just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his

mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and

ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you

had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the

entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently

lovely ļ

Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

questions about viral protocols.

Anita

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Dear listmates,

Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for

my son.

My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal

containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but

in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR

which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox.

These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but he

found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive

activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice

anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad,

affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression

after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring,

stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc.

We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a couple

weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic,

feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9

Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE

I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what we

saw, the results.

My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic.

Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum,

astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual

assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit

C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a

better starting point for a viral protocol.

We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day and

a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of

the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops

of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE

had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my

son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol.

Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning were

quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours,

sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more

fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important aspect

of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we

started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these

reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores

on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close,

that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on

his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is

nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to

watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I

said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time

constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of constipation

ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts

of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be

through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45,

gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other

than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have

been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD

moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than hours

of off and on pushing.

The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was

best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the

idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too

daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any

regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be

sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol,

the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not

sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me

believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is

no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of

antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are

easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort.

These have been the outcomes of our protocol:

He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long

time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a

very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol his

nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly.

That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses

and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but it

has clearly been dealt with.

He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths (or

enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he

wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it

was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in

front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90

minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to

us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still

loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the swing

before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10

minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding, etc.

He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly

loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding in

different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find

him.

He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral

protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any

affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut,

leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a

wonderful thing for all of us.

He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which

involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before.

His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand

things that meant nothing to him before.

He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his diet

and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but

didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat

anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks

into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on the

table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since

then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and he

searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he was

hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had

just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his

mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating and

ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you

had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the

entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently

lovely fº

Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

questions about viral protocols.

Anita

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That is so great Anita!! Thank you for posting!! My son also

sounds like Darth Vader so I am hopeful we can take care of that

with anti-virals! Congrats!

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for

> my son.

>

> My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal

> containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics,

but

> in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his

MMR

> which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken

pox.

> These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but

he

> found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive

> activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t

notice

> anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad,

> affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression

> after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring,

> stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc.

>

> We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a

couple

> weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic,

> feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9

> Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE

>

> I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what

we

> saw, the results.

>

> My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately

autistic.

> Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum,

> astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual

> assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc,

Vit

> C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a

> better starting point for a viral protocol.

>

> We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day

and

> a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of

> the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3

scoops

> of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE

> had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my

> son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol.

>

> Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning

were

> quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours,

> sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more

> fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important

aspect

> of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we

> started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these

> reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores

> on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close,

> that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on

> his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is

> nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to

> watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I

> said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time

> constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of

constipation

> ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts

> of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be

> through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45,

> gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other

> than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have

> been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD

> moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than

hours

> of off and on pushing.

>

> The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was

> best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the

> idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be

too

> daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any

> regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be

> sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol,

> the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m

not

> sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make

me

> believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There

is

> no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of

> antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they

are

> easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort.

>

> These have been the outcomes of our protocol:

>

> He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long

> time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a

> very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol

his

> nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe

clearly.

> That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both

viruses

> and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but

it

> has clearly been dealt with.

>

> He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths

(or

> enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he

> wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it

> was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands

in

> front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90

> minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to

> us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still

> loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the

swing

> before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for

10

> minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding,

etc.

> He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly

> loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding

in

> different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we

find

> him.

>

> He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral

> protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show

any

> affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz

cut,

> leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been

a

> wonderful thing for all of us.

>

> He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which

> involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before.

>

> His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand

> things that meant nothing to him before.

>

> He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his

diet

> and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF

but

> didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat

> anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks

> into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on

the

> table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since

> then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and

he

> searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he

was

> hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had

> just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his

> mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating

and

> ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you

> had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the

> entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently

> lovely ļ

>

> Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> questions about viral protocols.

>

> Anita

>

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What do you use for yeast during all this? How long does it have to

be in place prior to starting anti-virals? I just received some

labs tonight, including elevated EBV and his DAN sent an rx for

Valtrex and told me to put him on 300 to 600mg/day or monolauren -

Is that lauricidin? Where do I get it? Thanks!

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for

> my son.

>

> My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal

> containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics,

but

> in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his

MMR

> which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken

pox.

> These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but

he

> found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive

> activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t

notice

> anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad,

> affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression

> after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring,

> stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc.

>

> We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a

couple

> weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic,

> feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9

> Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE

>

> I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what

we

> saw, the results.

>

> My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately

autistic.

> Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum,

> astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual

> assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc,

Vit

> C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a

> better starting point for a viral protocol.

>

> We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day

and

> a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of

> the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3

scoops

> of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE

> had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my

> son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol.

>

> Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning

were

> quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours,

> sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more

> fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important

aspect

> of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we

> started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these

> reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores

> on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close,

> that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on

> his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is

> nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to

> watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I

> said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time

> constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of

constipation

> ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts

> of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be

> through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45,

> gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other

> than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have

> been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD

> moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than

hours

> of off and on pushing.

>

> The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was

> best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the

> idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be

too

> daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any

> regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be

> sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol,

> the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m

not

> sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make

me

> believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There

is

> no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of

> antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they

are

> easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort.

>

> These have been the outcomes of our protocol:

>

> He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long

> time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a

> very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol

his

> nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe

clearly.

> That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both

viruses

> and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but

it

> has clearly been dealt with.

>

> He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths

(or

> enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he

> wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it

> was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands

in

> front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90

> minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to

> us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still

> loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the

swing

> before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for

10

> minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding,

etc.

> He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly

> loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding

in

> different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we

find

> him.

>

> He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral

> protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show

any

> affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz

cut,

> leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been

a

> wonderful thing for all of us.

>

> He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which

> involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before.

>

> His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand

> things that meant nothing to him before.

>

> He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his

diet

> and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF

but

> didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat

> anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks

> into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on

the

> table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since

> then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and

he

> searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he

was

> hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had

> just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his

> mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating

and

> ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you

> had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the

> entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently

> lovely ļ

>

> Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> questions about viral protocols.

>

> Anita

>

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Anita,

I am so happy to hear of your little one's improvements. Kudos to

him for tolerating everything so well and to you for being able to

administer that regimen!

Anne

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for

> my son.

>

> My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal

> containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics,

but

> in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his

MMR

> which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken

pox.

> These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but

he

> found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive

> activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t

notice

> anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad,

> affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression

> after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring,

> stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc.

>

> We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a

couple

> weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic,

> feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9

> Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE

>

> I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what

we

> saw, the results.

>

> My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately

autistic.

> Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum,

> astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual

> assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc,

Vit

> C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a

> better starting point for a viral protocol.

>

> We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day

and

> a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of

> the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3

scoops

> of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE

> had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my

> son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol.

>

> Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning

were

> quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours,

> sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more

> fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important

aspect

> of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we

> started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these

> reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores

> on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close,

> that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on

> his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is

> nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to

> watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I

> said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time

> constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of

constipation

> ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts

> of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be

> through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45,

> gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other

> than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have

> been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD

> moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than

hours

> of off and on pushing.

>

> The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was

> best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the

> idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be

too

> daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any

> regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be

> sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol,

> the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m

not

> sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make

me

> believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There

is

> no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of

> antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they

are

> easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort.

>

> These have been the outcomes of our protocol:

>

> He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long

> time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a

> very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol

his

> nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe

clearly.

> That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both

viruses

> and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but

it

> has clearly been dealt with.

>

> He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths

(or

> enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he

> wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it

> was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands

in

> front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90

> minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to

> us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still

> loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the

swing

> before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for

10

> minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding,

etc.

> He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly

> loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding

in

> different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we

find

> him.

>

> He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral

> protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show

any

> affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz

cut,

> leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been

a

> wonderful thing for all of us.

>

> He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which

> involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before.

>

> His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand

> things that meant nothing to him before.

>

> He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his

diet

> and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF

but

> didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat

> anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks

> into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on

the

> table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since

> then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and

he

> searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he

was

> hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had

> just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his

> mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating

and

> ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you

> had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the

> entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently

> lovely ļ

>

> Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> questions about viral protocols.

>

> Anita

>

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> Prior to the viral

> protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any

> affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut,

> leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a

> wonderful thing for all of us.

>

My favorite part! Hooray for all of you!

Damn viruses!

Nell

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Oh Anita thank you for sharing all of that with us. Those are

WONDERFUL improvements and I am sure that you (and he) are happy to

be finished with all of those enzymes!!! It makes me so sad

thinking of how these viruses can make our children so miserable.

Congratulations for getting thru it all and maintaining your sanity.

Sheresa

>

> Dear listmates,

>

> Here is some information on where we stand in terms of viruses for

> my son.

>

> My son clearly regressed at the age of 21 months after thimerosal

> containing flu vaccinations, given while he was on antibiotics, but

> in retrospect I can look back and see that he changed after his MMR

> which he received very shortly after a severe bout of chicken pox.

> These changes were slight. Not noticeable to us at the time, but

he

> found it harder to be around people and he started some repetitive

> activity like opening and closing cupboard doors. I didn¡¦t notice

> anything amiss at the time because he was still talking like mad,

> affectionate and joyful with his family. During his regression

> after the flu vaxs, he stopped talking, started self-injuring,

> stopped playing, stopped showing affection, etc.

>

> We have done two viral protocols. One I stopped after only a

couple

> weeks because his response frightened me. He was lethargic,

> feverish, vomiting. For this one, we had worked up to only 9

> Virastop a day, Sambucol, and a very small amount of OLE

>

> I want to talk about the second viral protocol: what we did, what

we

> saw, the results.

>

> My son is three. He weighs 34 pounds. He is moderately autistic.

> Before starting the second VP I had my son on Sambucol, colostrum,

> astragalus and Echinacea rotated, IP6, and the other more usual

> assortment of immune boosters our kids tend to get daily (zinc, Vit

> C, etc). My idea was that a strengthened immune system would be a

> better starting point for a viral protocol.

>

> We started very slowly on March 15, with just one Virastop a day

and

> a couple of Lauricidin pellets. Over time, until our last day of

> the protocol on May 26, we worked up to 45 Virastop a day, 3 scoops

> of Lauricidin pellets, and a high of 750 mg of OLE a day. The OLE

> had to be stopped during the viral protocol as it constipated my

> son, but I did use it for 3 days in the final kick of the protocol.

>

> Because we started slowly the reactions we saw at the beginning

were

> quite minimal. Very small rashes that would last for 12 hours,

> sometimes as small as one or two spots on the cheek. A bit more

> fatigue. More yeast (a yeast protocol being a very important

aspect

> of the process). When we started getting to higher doses, we

> started seeing bigger reactions. This was difficult as these

> reactions were obviously causing my son pain. He would have sores

> on his lips that didn¡¦t look like cold sores, but sort of close,

> that would come and go. He developed larger rashes, generally on

> his neck, that at times obviously pained or itched him (he is

> nonverbal and cannot explain anything to us). He would want to

> watch TV for great lengths of time, obviously feeling badly. As I

> said, we did have constipation from the OLE, but one time

> constipation while not using OLE. When this episode of

constipation

> ended with an enema-induced BM, vomiting, and then copious amounts

> of the foulest smelling poop you can imagine, he seemed to be

> through the worst. We raised the number of VS after that to 45,

> gave 750 mg of OLE for three days, but there was no effect other

> than his very sore looking lips. His poops since that time have

> been normal. The kind you talk about in wonderment to other ASD

> moms. They only take him a normal amount of time, rather than

hours

> of off and on pushing.

>

> The way we stopped is not what ¡¦s studies seemed to show was

> best. We stopped the VS cold turkey. Quite frankly, I found the

> idea of maintaining my son at 45 VS a day for three weeks to be too

> daunting. This was only five days ago¡Xif we do experience any

> regressions that I think may be a result of our decision, I¡¦ll be

> sure to post them here. We continue to give my son the sambucol,

> the immune boosters, and 2 scoops of lauricidin each day. I¡¦m not

> sure if we¡¦ve kicked out all the viruses, but our outcomes make me

> believe that something has been dealt with to some level. There is

> no apparent yeast problems using these smaller amounts of

> antivirals, and I¡¦m not sure they are doing anything, but they are

> easy to dose and seem to be a worthwhile effort.

>

> These have been the outcomes of our protocol:

>

> He no longer has trouble breathing through his nose. For a long

> time it was as if we lived with Darth Vader. I think this was a

> very long term sinus infection. About 4 weeks into the protocol

his

> nose shrunk to its normal size and he was able to breathe clearly.

> That healthy state has remained. Virastop can work on both viruses

> and bacteria¡XI¡¦m not sure the nature of his sinus infection, but

it

> has clearly been dealt with.

>

> He started swimming again, although he will still not take baths

(or

> enter the bathroom for that matter). He also started gesturing he

> wants to go outside. This is a completely new thing. Before, it

> was very difficult to get him to leave the house. Now he stands in

> front of the door often and will play outside at a park for 90

> minutes at a time, easily. This newfound energy is remarkable to

> us. He has also stopped being obsessive about swinging. He still

> loves swinging, but will not scream if you take him out of the

swing

> before 60-80 minutes has passed. Now he will swing joyfully for 10

> minutes and then spend the rest of the time climbing, sliding,

etc.

> He once played chase with a little girl at the park and clearly

> loved the experience. He will play chase with us and try hiding

in

> different places with obvious anticipation on his face when we find

> him.

>

> He became affectionate with his father. Prior to the viral

> protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any

> affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut,

> leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a

> wonderful thing for all of us.

>

> He has initiated games. The other day he started a game which

> involved biting his dad¡¦s finger. This has never happened before.

>

> His receptive language has improved. He now seems to understand

> things that meant nothing to him before.

>

> He has started to eat. My son was severely self-limited in his

diet

> and he ate very little total. Enzymes allowed us to leave GFCF but

> didn¡¦t improve his appetite very much or encourage him to eat

> anything other than his 9 or 10 acceptable foods. About 7 weeks

> into the protocol, he grabbed a half a bun that had been left on

the

> table and clearly wanted to eat it. We¡¦ve not looked back since

> then. Now he¡¦ll eat almost anything you put in front of him and

he

> searches out food. He has never searched out food, even when he

was

> hungry. Just a few days ago, he actually grabbed a cookie I had

> just baked from the counter and shoved the whole thing in his

> mouth. Now he¡¦ll eat meat. He¡¦ll look at what you¡¦re eating

and

> ask gesture for some. He has learned to bite, whereas before you

> had to break all of his food into pieces or risk him shoving the

> entire thing whole into his mouth. Mealtimes are now consistently

> lovely ļ

>

> Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> questions about viral protocols.

>

> Anita

>

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We have also seen an new affection for Daddy...we are giving the NCD a try

with dramatic results and we believe it is addressing viral issues as well.

Daddy has been on cloud nine...I love to watch them together...after 3 yrs

he is letting daddy into his life and its amazing.

Lillian

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> Prior to the viral

> protocol, his father was an adult he tolerated but didn¡¦t show any

> affection for. Now he will snuggle with his dad, rub his buzz cut,

> leave the house happily with him, even play games. This has been a

> wonderful thing for all of us.

>

My favorite part! Hooray for all of you!

Damn viruses!

Nell

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> Dear listmates,

>

> Here is an update on my son's viral protocol, as promised.

> Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> questions about viral protocols.

>

> Anita

Anita,

Thanks for the update. Its wonderful to hear of all the positives

you've seen.

So you haven't noticed any negatives from stopping cold turkey.

That's great. Please do post right away if you do. I was just

sitting here wondering if I've caused my ds any harm from

(unintentionally) stopping VS cold. He woke up yesterday, his last

full day of school, with a bad tummy ache. I was afraid to give him

his VS and make it worse. So he didn't take any VS yesterday and

now this morning, his last day of school, I forgot to give him all

of his supplements. He got ready for school with only one prompt.

I mean all the way ready, with backpack on & everything and yelled

to me its time to go! I was stunned. Usually I have to prompt him

though almost all of the steps. So he threw me off, lol. I will

start back up when he gets home. I don't think we are done. We've

been kind of holding where we were at to get through the last weeks

of school. I want to get through the end of this fast and get back

to chelation.

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,

No negatives yet, only good stuff. We have been up for a few hours

each night since then, but I think it is because I started chelation

again as soon as we were done the viral protocol. We had to stop

chelating for about 3 weeks, and I think the slightly higher dose I

used has kicked up lots of yeast.

I don't think it is a good idea to stop and start VS over and over

again, but I don't think it would be a problem to have to stop and

start for emergencies like the one you describe.

Anita

PS. Thanks for the kind words mattsonsmommy. It is so gratifying

to be understood :-)

>

> > Dear listmates,

> >

> > Here is an update on my son's viral protocol, as promised.

> > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> > questions about viral protocols.

> >

> > Anita

>

> Anita,

>

> Thanks for the update. Its wonderful to hear of all the positives

> you've seen.

>

> So you haven't noticed any negatives from stopping cold turkey.

> That's great. Please do post right away if you do. I was just

> sitting here wondering if I've caused my ds any harm from

> (unintentionally) stopping VS cold. He woke up yesterday, his

last

> full day of school, with a bad tummy ache. I was afraid to give

him

> his VS and make it worse. So he didn't take any VS yesterday and

> now this morning, his last day of school, I forgot to give him all

> of his supplements. He got ready for school with only one

prompt.

> I mean all the way ready, with backpack on & everything and yelled

> to me its time to go! I was stunned. Usually I have to prompt

him

> though almost all of the steps. So he threw me off, lol. I will

> start back up when he gets home. I don't think we are done.

We've

> been kind of holding where we were at to get through the last

weeks

> of school. I want to get through the end of this fast and get

back

> to chelation.

>

>

>

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I understand you.

> >

> > > Dear listmates,

> > >

> > > Here is an update on my son's viral protocol, as promised.

> > > Sorry for the too-long post, but I know people have lots of

> > > questions about viral protocols.

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

> > Anita,

> >

> > Thanks for the update. Its wonderful to hear of all the

positives

> > you've seen.

> >

> > So you haven't noticed any negatives from stopping cold turkey.

> > That's great. Please do post right away if you do. I was just

> > sitting here wondering if I've caused my ds any harm from

> > (unintentionally) stopping VS cold. He woke up yesterday, his

> last

> > full day of school, with a bad tummy ache. I was afraid to give

> him

> > his VS and make it worse. So he didn't take any VS yesterday

and

> > now this morning, his last day of school, I forgot to give him

all

> > of his supplements. He got ready for school with only one

> prompt.

> > I mean all the way ready, with backpack on & everything and

yelled

> > to me its time to go! I was stunned. Usually I have to prompt

> him

> > though almost all of the steps. So he threw me off, lol. I

will

> > start back up when he gets home. I don't think we are done.

> We've

> > been kind of holding where we were at to get through the last

> weeks

> > of school. I want to get through the end of this fast and get

> back

> > to chelation.

> >

> >

> >

>

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